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Warning about an impending increase in terror related activities in Kashmir, Indian Army chief General Deepak Kapoor on Wednesday said the Pakistan based Lashkar-e-Toiba was attempting the biggest ever push of around 300 terrorists over the Line Of Control into India.

The warning from the Army chief came on a day when Lashkar spokesman Abdullah Ghaznavi told a news agency that the attacks will continue on the Indian soil and the Kupwara encounter was a part of it. Lashkar has also been found to be behind the ghastly attacks in Mumbai last year and its top leadership is under investigation in a Pakistan court.

“There are atleast 300 militants waiting to crossover to our side over LOC,” Kapoor said. There are 30-40 militant training camps active in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, he added.

It is to be noted that Pakistan troops have been firing throughout the last night at Indian posts in Uri sector. Pak troops have earlier resorted to such tactics to give cover to militants crossing over. Indian Army has lodged a formal protest with their Pakistani counterparts on the same.

On the Kupwara encounter which has led to the martyrdom of eight soldiers, Kapoor said the Army had recovered 23 AK assault rifles, one pistol, four Under Barrel Grenade Launchers (UBGLs), 19 UBGL grenades, two hand grenades, two global positioning systems and 10 radio sets, from the slain militants.

Earlier in the day, addressing the press, Brigadier General Gurmeet Singh said that a majority of the terrorists trying to infiltrate the region had been killed, adding that the remaining ones, if any, would be neutralised. According to him, the dense forests in the area impeded the combat operations as a result of which the encounter, which began on March 20, went on for six days
Let attempts Huge Infiltration - Kashmir on alert | India.com
 
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The ploy behind the Kupwara encounter
B Raman

March 25, 2009

Eight members of the Army, one of them a Major, and 17 terrorists are reported to have been killed in a series of encounters between patrols of the Army and five different groups of terrorist infiltrators from the Pakistani territory in densely forested areas of the Kupwara district of Jammu & Kashmir. The encounters, which started on March 20, lasted five days.

The Army stated that the encounters were the result of proactive action taken by it on receipt of human intelligence about the infiltration of terrorists. The Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), which has claimed responsibility for the encounters, has tried to project them as in response to a surprise action launched by it which, according to it, started with an ambush of an Army patrol.

Media reports described the encounters as one of the fiercest gun battles in that area in recent years. The infiltration of the LeT terrorists into the Kupwara area and their encounters with the Army patrols have come in the wake of a significant improvement in the ground situation in J&K last year, which made possible the peaceful holding of the elections to the Legislative Assembly. The elections saw a record voter turn-out.

Addressing a media conference on December 25,2008, Kuldeep Khoda, the director-general of police of J&K, had said:

� Terrorist violence showed a remarkable decline of 40 per cent in 2008 as compared to 2007.

� Civilian deaths at the hands of the terrorists, which reached a peak of 1413 in 1996, came down to 164 in 2007 and only 89 in 2008.

� 48 political activists, including a minister, were killed by terrorists during the 2002 election campaign. They could not kill a single political activist during the election campaign of 2008.

� For the first time, 2008 witnessed the best ever performance of the police and the security forces on the human rights front.There was only one complaint of death in police custody and no complaint of disappearance from police custody.

� At the same time, he warned against complacency and pointed out that there were still 800 trained terrorists----300 of them foreigners, mainly Pakistanis---- in the State waiting for an opportunity to step up terrorism.

Since the elections in November-December last, the improvement in the ground situation achieved by the security forces last year continued to hold, but there was an increase in agitprop incidents in the urban areas in the form of orchestrated demonstrations over allegations of violations of the human rights of local residents by the security forces.

Through the present infiltration and the consequent clashes lasting five days, the LeT has sought to achieve three objectives----firstly, to demonstrate that it is still a force to be reckoned with and secondly, to convey a message to the people of J&K that despite the so-called action taken by the Pakistani authorities against the LeT after the Mumbai [Images] terrorist attack in response to international pressure, the LeT's terrorist acts in J&K will not be affected.

Thirdly, the LeT has also sought to strengthen the arguments of those in the West such as David Miliband, the British foreign secretary, who claim that unless attention is paid to solving Indo-Pakistan differences on the Kashmir issue, jihadi terrorism in the Indian territory will continue in some form or the other.

When he was the President till August last year, Pervez Musharraf [Images] used to make a distinction between acts of terrorism in J&K which he projected as a legitimate freedom struggle not amounting to terrorism and acts in Indian territory outside J&K which, he admitted, were acts of terrorism. He did not deny the activities of the LeT in J&K, but projected it as an indigenous Kashmiri organisation having root causes for its actions. He did not accept that the LeT was active in the Indian territory, outside J&K.

The encounters between the Army and the LeT in the Kupwara area during the last five days clearly show that Asif Ali Zardari's [Images] government is following the same policy as Musharraf.

It is following a policy of legitimising the terrorist acts of the LeT in J&K and, at the same time, pretending to co-operate with the Government of India in the investigation of the LeT's terrorist strike in Mumbai.

The heavily forested Kupwara is not the sprawling urban Mumbai. Encounters within forests have nothing in common with encounters with terrorists entrenched inside urban buildings and going on a shooting spree in crowded public places in a big city such as Mumbai.

But there are disconcerting similarities between what happened in Mumbai between November 26 and 29,2008, and between what has happened during the last five days in the Kupwara area -- simultaneous, well-orchestrated attacks on multiple targets, whether static or moving army patrols, a skilful use of hand-held weapons and gadgets such as GPS systems, suicidal and not suicide terrorism, strike, stay and fight tactics instead of the hit and vanish tactics and an ability to keep the encounters with the security forces going for a long time in order to make an impact on the local population and the international community through dramatic media reports.

In the weeks before the polls, it will be the aim of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and the terrorists sponsored by it to step up violence in J&K through so-called indigenous Kashmiri organisations and to encourage elements belonging to the Indian Mujahideen [Images] and its ally the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI [Images]), which have not committed any major act of terrorism after the Delhi [Images] blasts of September,2008, to strike again.

These have to be factored into our security plan for the elections.

The ploy behind the Kupwara encounter
 
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^^^ And people complain that Zaid Hamid has an imagination ...:rolleyes:

Well could you please point out anything illogical or anything which you dont agree from the above article, you know. Just to rethink what i percieved from the article ;)
 
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^^^ And people complain that Zaid Hamid has an imagination ...:rolleyes:

AM, I would generally expect a cerbral debate from a respected forum member like you then a stingy one liners. Lol, no hard feeling bro.

Have a look at what BBC's reporting:

Militants claim Kashmiri attack

The Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba says it was involved in a five-day gun battle with troops in Indian-administered Kashmir. At least 25 people died in fighting at Kupwara, including eight soldiers.

Lashkar-e-Taiba is the group which India holds responsible for the armed attacks in Mumbai last November in which more than 170 people died.

The army says the militants were well trained and equipped and had the backing of agencies in Pakistan.

"Militarily prepared"

"The maps and communication equipment [recovered from dead gunmen] indicates that [Pakistani] state and security forces' assistance was there as such material is not available in the civil domain," Brig Gurmeet Singh told a press conference in Srinagar on Wednesday.

"The majority of the militants have been killed and those left, if any, will also be eliminated."

He said most of the barbed-wire fence along the Line of Control (LoC) which divides Indian- and Pakistani-administered Kashmir is now buried under snow, which was probably how the militants managed to infiltrate into Indian territory.

The brigadier said his troops were "militarily prepared" to deal with the threat posed by between 300 to 400 militants currently operating in the Kashmir valley. For five days Indian troops battled against the militants in thick forests, close to the LoC.

A spokesman for Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) who contacted local journalists said only 10 of the group's fighters had died - and the number of soldiers killed was far higher than officially admitted. He said that the coming days would "prove costly" for Indian forces.

The BBC's Chris Morris in Delhi says that the army will be determined to prevent LeT or any other militant group from disrupting general elections in Indian-administered Kashmir when polling begins next month.

State elections held at the end of last year were much more peaceful than many people had expected and the overall level of violence in Kashmir is far lower than it was a decade ago.

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But our correspondent says that the LeT wants to send a message that its violent struggle for Kashmir is not over. The army says that militants receive support from Pakistan

Many of its leaders have been taken into custody in Pakistan in the wake of last year's attacks in Mumbai. But India alleges that the group still receives support from military and intelligence agencies in Pakistan.

Delhi believes a large number of Islamic militants are waiting on the Pakistani side of the LoC for the chance to infiltrate into Indian territory.

Defence spokesman Col JS Brar said that the fighting broke out in the higher reaches of the Shamsabari range on Friday morning after troops launched an operation to flush out the militants.
 
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Hey if a little action worries you so much, just leave Kashmir. Kashmir is disputed territory, and hence everything is fair game.
 
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Its not little action - these guys are terrorist and with those weapon we know what they can do to civilians. Some call them rebel but once you hold a gun and shoot innocent people you are frigggin terrorist. After mumbai attack - nobody in world can call them anything but terrorist. For killing civilians.
There is no degree of being terrorist, a terrorist in Peshawar is equally as bad as terrorist in newdelhi. And both the places they claim to be fighting for good and religion. But we all know the truth.
 
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There it goes again. If only one could understand that

ONE CANNOT, FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, SUPPORT TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.

Terrorism can never be fair. Killing each other is only fair when both side is at a state of war. Getting intelligence from across the border is alright, but armed intrusion is never acceptable. simple as that. There are rules for warfare too. Hitting below the belt is not allowed in a match of boxing.
 
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Its not little action - these guys are terrorist and with those weapon we know what they can do to civilians. Some call them rebel but once you hold a gun and shoot innocent people you are frigggin terrorist. After mumbai attack - nobody in world can call them anything but terrorist. For killing civilians.
There is no degree of being terrorist, a terrorist in Peshawar is equally as bad as terrorist in newdelhi. And both the places they claim to be fighting for good and religion. But we all know the truth.
Well I can't speak for this particular group since we just have India's word on who is infiltrating where, which is not very reliable, but the goal is not to kill Kashmiri civilians, that is not a very logical argument. The goal is to kill Indian soldiers and eliminate the Indian occupation force, who are a fair target since they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Nothing terroristly about killing the Indian Army. Unless they ARE terrified, that we can't really help.
 
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Well I can't speak for this particular group since we just have India's word on who is infiltrating where, which is not very reliable, but the goal is not to kill Kashmiri civilians, that is not a very logical argument. The goal is to kill Indian soldiers and eliminate the Indian occupation force, who are a fair target since they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Nothing terroristly about killing the Indian Army. Unless they ARE terrified, that we can't really help.

Sir i have families in Kashmir, and i can tell you people die in these attack. Yes CRPF did lot of harm to this region but how can that give these let members- right to kill - civilians.
eithger In kashmir or delhi.
These blast in delhi or mumbai or kolkatta or srinagar, the irony is a bomb never ask for your - identification before killing you.
By this rampage they will not achieve anything - extremism will only give them more enemy - from freedom fighter - they were called rebels and now terrorist. The only possible channel is - diplomacy.
 
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Well I can't speak for this particular group since we just have India's word on who is infiltrating where, which is not very reliable, but the goal is not to kill Kashmiri civilians, that is not a very logical argument. The goal is to kill Indian soldiers and eliminate the Indian occupation force, who are a fair target since they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Nothing terroristly about killing the Indian Army. Unless they ARE terrified, that we can't really help.
� Civilian deaths at the hands of the terrorists, which reached a peak of 1413 in 1996, came down to 164 in 2007 and only 89 in 2008.

If the goal is to terrorise kashmiris then killing of civilians becomes logical for the terrorists. So supporting a terrorists groups in the name of freedom struggle is as good as supporting terrorism. Because in one hand we talk about peaceful resolution to kashmir dispute and on the other hand continous support to the So called "forgien" freedom strugglers, is always a double talk. And do you think we can a have a fair discussion on it when we believe and you acknowledge that you support "terrosim" (my defintion)/ "freedom struggle"(your definition) that is used to try and coerce us out of kashmir?????

And i dont think india or its armed forces are terrified, else we wouldnt be there killing terrorists all this while..!!! ;)
 
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Hey if a little action worries you so much, just leave Kashmir. Kashmir is disputed territory, and hence everything is fair game.

We are worried that we have to kill more terrorists coming from across the border, not worried that we have to continue defending.

About leaving Kashmir, well thats our land we wont.
 
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Well I can't speak for this particular group since we just have India's word on who is infiltrating where, which is not very reliable, but the goal is not to kill Kashmiri civilians, that is not a very logical argument. The goal is to kill Indian soldiers and eliminate the Indian occupation force, who are a fair target since they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Nothing terroristly about killing the Indian Army. Unless they ARE terrified, that we can't really help.

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Civilians are dying and killed by so called freedom fighters. People killing innocent civilians are just cold blooded terrorists.... is it so hard to understand :hitwall::hitwall:

Some respected poeple like Khan Abdul Ghafar Khan, Maulana Muhammad Ali, Maulana Shaukat Ali are also considered as freedon fighters but they did not kill any innocent country man. My friend encouraging such activities by any country os man cann't be justified and will take us no where. These activities will just lead to grim future for coming generations. Think again...

As far as security forces are concerned they are not worried. But terrorists are for sure statred fearing, its evident from excellent turnout during elections in J&K and steep decline in unhumane activities by those forgieners in recent monts.
 
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Hey if a little action worries you so much, just leave Kashmir.

goal is to kill Indian soldiers and eliminate the Indian occupation force, who are a fair target since they shouldn't be there in the first place.

Nothing terroristly about killing the Indian Army. Unless they ARE terrified, that we can't really help.

2009 - 1947 = 62 years. 62 years bachche! Inspite of everything that has been thrown at us from across the border we have held onto Kashmir for 62 years with a death-like grip!

You guys couldn't even hold onto a part of your country after a "little action" in 1971. It shows who's more terrified of a "little-action".
 
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this is the response to indian support to baithullah mesud
 
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