Lessons un-learned: from Malala to Peshawar Massacre

[ranjeet]

its for me.... you see

no I don't see ... but I guess you wouldn't mind explaining.

 

[Green Arrow]

Well one thing is sure. Our enemy is sitting among us. There may be some mastermind outside but our real enemies are on our soil. Any body who kills my people are my enemy and if our security forces & govt fail to act accordingly then it means that our state is dis functional.

 

[Aepsilons]

When Malala was brutally attacked by the same Talib-barbarians, many among us felt it was one of thing, some said Malala brought it upon herself, some still blame her father.

But the reality is what it is.

We see this horrendous atrocity in Peshawar now precisely because as a nation we didn't come together.

We felt kicking Malala out of country will solve our problems.

Easy thing.

WRONG!

We should have quit our political ramblings back then,
Must have come together as a nation
and avoided the massacre that happened in Peshawar.


But we refused to learn a lesson.

And I wonder if we still do

Will we un-learn the lesson again

Will we allow religious fundamentalists the terrorists the ISIS types the TTP types to continue destroying our future and our present.

Will learn from our past

or will un-learn it.


@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER,
@AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider, @Faiez

My sincere condolences to all our Pakistani friends. I saw the news report recently about the travesty that had happened in Pakistan, and i was brought to tears at reading the specifics of what had happened.

 

[Sliver]

@FaujHistorian @Horus
What is the "ground perception" of this attack? do people think it is orchestrated by outside forces (USA/India/Israel)?

What is being "told" in the media? is it the same as the ground perception?

Also, I see the Death Penalty is now back. Great going.

 

[sree45]

If [Pakistan] glorifies certain jihadis, like the ones targeting Kashmir or India, then the jihad industry remains operative,” said Rumi. “The Pakistani Taliban are offshoots of that jihad industry. They are both the consequence of and contributors to that jihadi infrastructure. So until there is a national consensus that none of them are in the interest of Pakistan, this issue will not be resolved.”

Src: Peshawar Attack Highlights Pakistan's Contradictory Approach To Different Strains of Taliban

 

[Slav Defence]

Historian,
Till now what I have understand the critic's psychology is that they believe that single event was manipulated. They may have accepted her if she wasn't "praised" by American and foreign figure which includes some "war criminals" and individual like Mr.Rushdie and you know,everyone hates him.
Yes sir,This is one "twisted thinking" which is so generated after cascade of events. However,I blame foreign media who themselves claim that those images were "fake"and I do not understand that why do they do that in the first place?why people sense it "fishy" and pre-planned strategy of EU?
Anyways,we have lost our progeny consisting of future scientists,doctors and philosophers.
But instead of dragging Malala critics I blame Mr.Sharif for crying peace process and inhibiting Pakistan army to conduct operation last winter.
Regards

 

[nvKyleBrown]

The fundamental problem is tribalism.

As they say in Africa "Me against my brother, my brother and I against the family, my family against the clan, my clan against the world." Loyalty, and by contrast blame for anything bad, is allocated by looking at the parties in question and siding with whomever is closer blood. Clan over religion, religion over nationality, nationality over right and wrong. So, a family member in the wrong won't be considered wrong if he is in conflict with someone from another clan. A Muslim can't be wrong if he is in conflict with a non-Muslim.

Right and wrong are at the bottom of the list for determining right and wrong. Its tribal association first - and between various tribal relations by which one is closest. No objective standard of right and wrong exists, its all relative.

You're never going to convince tribal-types that they might be wrong. They don't evaluate right and wrong by your standards, and won't ever.

 

[third eye]

When Malala was brutally attacked by the same Talib-barbarians, many among us felt it was one of thing, some said Malala brought it upon herself, some still blame her father.

But the reality is what it is.

We see this horrendous atrocity in Peshawar now precisely because as a nation we didn't come together.

We felt kicking Malala out of country will solve our problems.

Easy thing.

WRONG!

We should have quit our political ramblings back then,
Must have come together as a nation
and avoided the massacre that happened in Peshawar.


But we refused to learn a lesson.

And I wonder if we still do

Will we un-learn the lesson again

Will we allow religious fundamentalists the terrorists the ISIS types the TTP types to continue destroying our future and our present.

Will learn from our past

or will un-learn it.


@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER,
@AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider, @Faiez

Given the enormity of what has happened in Army Public School I am not sure if this is the right time to find fault but one cannot help but feel the following with regard to pakistan.

1. The nation and its leaders ( dictators included) lack vision & direction. It has always relied upon short cuts & quick fixes to tide over immediate problems. It began with the USSR entering Af - Zia was quick to leverage this into obtaining funds and creating ' assets' with no regards to any long term prospects. No effort was made to create the essentials of nation hood. Instead religion was propped up as the answer to all hoping that Islam would bind the nation. as we now see it did the opposite.

2. Inabilty to see and accept a problem. Beginning with East Pakistan all what the nation has lost till date is due it its inability to see and accept a problem , and Pakistan has lost a lot - peace & safety of its citizens being the last of them.Answers to problems need not always be to the liking of those running a nation. A man goes to a doctor only when he accepts the fact that an ailment exists. Self medication may at times give temporary relief but does not cure the cause of a problem.

There is so much more but given the huge loss which makes a parent numb with pain one does not feel like writing more.

 

[Dash]

When Malala was brutally attacked by the same Talib-barbarians, many among us felt it was one of thing, some said Malala brought it upon herself, some still blame her father.

But the reality is what it is.

We see this horrendous atrocity in Peshawar now precisely because as a nation we didn't come together.

We felt kicking Malala out of country will solve our problems.

Easy thing.

WRONG!

We should have quit our political ramblings back then,
Must have come together as a nation
and avoided the massacre that happened in Peshawar.


But we refused to learn a lesson.

And I wonder if we still do

Will we un-learn the lesson again

Will we allow religious fundamentalists the terrorists the ISIS types the TTP types to continue destroying our future and our present.

Will learn from our past

or will un-learn it.


@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER,
@AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider, @Faiez

Can I give some perspective here? if the lessons learned by us (in question) post 26/11 could possibly be used as a starting point for discussion? as we would be happy share ours.

 

[tarrar]

What happened to Malala was unfortunate & unacceptable, but what Malala is becoming now is not acceptable.

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian @Horus
What is the "ground perception" of this attack? do people think it is orchestrated by outside forces (USA/India/Israel)?

What is being "told" in the media? is it the same as the ground perception?

Also, I see the Death Penalty is now back. Great going.

This time it is very hard for the Talib-supporters to spin it than way.

But the point of this thread!

-- How long will it take for us as nation to un-learn the tough lessons. And go back to old ways.

Given the enormity of what has happened in Army Public School I am not sure if this is the right time to find fault but one cannot help but feel the following with regard to pakistan.

1. The nation and its leaders ( dictators included) lack vision & direction. It has always relied upon short cuts & quick fixes to tide over immediate problems. It began with the USSR entering Af - Zia was quick to leverage this into obtaining funds and creating ' assets' with no regards to any long term prospects. No effort was made to create the essentials of nation hood. Instead religion was propped up as the answer to all hoping that Islam would bind the nation. as we now see it did the opposite.

2. Inabilty to see and accept a problem. Beginning with East Pakistan all what the nation has lost till date is due it its inability to see and accept a problem , and Pakistan has lost a lot - peace & safety of its citizens being the last of them.Answers to problems need not always be to the liking of those running a nation. A man goes to a doctor only when he accepts the fact that an ailment exists. Self medication may at times give temporary relief but does not cure the cause of a problem.

There is so much more but given the huge loss which makes a parent numb with pain one does not feel like writing more.

Bhai Jaan

the way I see it,

this is not just Pakistan problem. This horrendous incident is similar to a canary dying in a coal mine.

 

[Strike X]

Channels like CNN and #ox understood the Malala story and want to keep to the same narrative to suit their pea-sized brains.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Channels like CNN and #ox understood the Malala story and want to keep to the same narrative to suit their pea-sized brains.

yet another constipated conspiracy theory?

 

[scrumpy]

What happened to Malala was unfortunate & unacceptable, but what Malala is becoming now is not acceptable.

I do not understand why Malala has antagonised so many Pakistanis? For me Malala is a girl who refused to be bullied by the taliban and is a voice for girl's education. She is a courageous girl who is an excellent role model for many kids.

Why are people so angry at her? Is it because they think it paints Pakistan in bad light? The fact is that the TTP had established Sharia law in Swat and were against girls getting education. They shot her because she refused to backdown and wanted to study. Is this in dispute?

Exactly how did she antagonise so many people?

Edit:
I did a google search and came up with this
Pakistan’s complex relationship with Malala | Al Jazeera America

The reasons seem to be extremely silly. Is it not true that she was shot in the head because she wanted to study? The taliban thought that they could stop a large portion of girls from studying by silencing the loudest voice in support of girl's education?

 

[Meengla]

I don't understand the excessive breast-beating going on. I mean there can't be a denial of the threats facing Pakistan and now even the Pak military doctrine places the militants as bigger threat than even India. There have been many operations against these brutes. Swat was a success story. There has even been a slightly more peace since Zarb e Azb. This particular heinous act was at least made possible because of the nature of Pakistan-Afghan distrust but Pak-Afghan relations are on upward movement now.

It took a tiny country like Sri Lanka 25 years to finally beat the menace of terrorism. Pakistan is doing something about the terrorists. I see that, despite some apathy, the intellectuals in Pakistan roundly condemn these brutes. Pakistan is facing a 'generational warfare' and it is probably going to take a generation to clean up the mess.