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Lee Kuan Yew on Sri Lanka's Tamil genocide

I As far as Tamil Nadu for tamils argument is concerned, its rubbish.

What rubbish of that, it is their native country(nadu) where they were involved with a separate civilization.
As for SL it was not and the terrorists got the result of undermining it.
 
Its nice to see a conversation going to hell whenever nationalism is challenged. I am no fan of LTTE or its violent ways, but Mr. Lee was right. The sinhalese nationalism combined with buddhist extremism was the biggest contributing factor which lead to disfranchisement of Tamils. Let us not forget the violence was used as a mean to an end by both sides, but it was the Sinhalese nationalist sentiments that started it all. As far as Tamil Nadu for tamils argument is concerned, its rubbish.

Shows how little you know about the subject.. Better come back with a little more knowledge to comment on complex social issues of another country.. Sinhala Buddhist nationalism is partly to blamed,Yes.. But Tamil nationalism far preceded Sinhalese nationalism.. It was born in Tamil Nadu even before Periyar's separatist ideology of a greater Tamil nation.. Goes back to the British colonial period.. Ofcause short sighted political decisions by the racist Sinhala polity paved way for the Tamil supremacists to import that ideology to the Lankan Tamils with ease.. And Thankfully Chinese invaded Northern India in the 60's luckily to break the back of that separatist movement for a limited time.. So please spare us the righteousness.. If you think Kashmiri's Punjabi's and North Easterners are separatists.. Study about Tamil Nadu history.. You'll be surprised

Of cause Tamil Nadu is a vital factor.. It's politics keeps alive that ideology to this day .. Tamil Nadu literally means homeland for Tamils.. It exists, If any Tamil is unhappy with a inclusive plural Sri Lanka, There is always exclusive Tamil Tamil Nadu for them.. It's that simple
 
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Yes they did.. Everybody (Groups of people) that lives there migrated there at one time or another.. To say otherwise is stupid.. But that does not give a right for any party to claim exclusivity of a part of the island for some separatist ideology, The island belongs to all Sri Lankans

As long as they believe in the Sri Lankanism, which essentially made up of Sinhalese culture.

Isn't it obvious, it's an island so people must was travelled from mainland using boats to Sri Lanka(island).

Are those traveled belonged to the tribe called Sinhalese?

Do Sinhalese still live in India? Then where do they live? Or are they got extinct?
 
As long as they believe in the Sri Lankanism, which essentially made up of Sinhalese culture.
No, we have to move on from that and create a whole set of values aimed at increasing efficiency. I don't buy the multicultural BS either. I see it in UK and it's a huge disaster. The best thing to do is to follow the Singaporean model of meritocracy.
 
No, we have to move on from that and create a whole set of values aimed at increasing efficiency. I don't buy the multicultural BS either. I see it in UK and it's a huge disaster. The model is to follow is the Singaporean model of meritocracy.

I dunno about the Singaporean meritocracy. How does it work?

P.S. What do you mean by moving on?

Its nice to see a conversation going to hell whenever nationalism is challenged. I am no fan of LTTE or its violent ways, but Mr. Lee was right. The sinhalese nationalism combined with buddhist extremism was the biggest contributing factor which lead to disfranchisement of Tamils. Let us not forget the violence was used as a mean to an end by both sides, but it was the Sinhalese nationalist sentiments that started it all. As far as Tamil Nadu for tamils argument is concerned, its rubbish.

Speaking in 1922, Sir Ponnambalam Arunachalam stated as follows at the meeting of the Ceylon Tamil League:

“…It has far higher aims in view, namely to keep alive and propagate these precious ideals throughout Ceylon, Southern India and the Tamil Colonies, to promote the union and solidarity of Tamilakam, the Tamil Land. We should keep alive and propagate these ideals throughout Ceylon and promote the union and solidarity of what we have been proud to call Tamil Eelam.” (Self Determination - Sir Ponnamblam Arunachalam - 1922

The historical record clearly demonstrates that Sinhala nationalism has always been reactive and one may argue, defensive, while Tamil nationalism has been initiatory, escalatory and politically proactive, even aggressively assertive.

“Sinhalese are a Nation within a Larger Sri Lankan Nation and Tamils are an Ethnic or National Minority” | dbsjeyaraj.com
 
I dunno about the Singaporean meritocracy. How does it work?

P.S. What do you mean by moving on?
Meritocracy means judging people according to his/her performance and the ability to contribute to the country not his/her ethnicity/religion while at the same time we need to make majority and minorities assimilate to the new set of values.

We are way too obsessed with history to the point that we don't see the future anymore or we are quite close minded and tend to blindly follow liberal ideas. This attitude is very dangerous for the progress of the country. We have to get over it and base our society on efficiency and performance. I have to think of a better way to say this. :D

Ignore the Tamil nationalist nutjobs here. The live in a whole different universe so logic doesn't work with them.
 
Meritocracy means judging people according to his/her performance and the ability to contribute to the country not his/her ethnicity/religion while at the same time we need to make majority and minorities assimilate to the new set of values.

We are way too obsessed with history to the point that we don't see the future anymore or we are quite close minded and tend to blindly follow liberal ideas. This attitude is very dangerous for the progress of the country. We have to get over it and base our society on efficiency and performance. I have to think of a better way to say this. :D

Ignore the Tamil nationalist nutjobs here. The live in a whole different universe so logic doesn't work with them.

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Meritocracy means judging people according to his/her performance and the ability to contribute to the country not his/her ethnicity/religion while at the same time we need to make majority and minorities assimilate to the new set of values.

We are way too obsessed with history to the point that we don't see the future anymore or we are quite close minded and tend to blindly follow liberal ideas. This attitude is very dangerous for the progress of the country. We have to get over it and base our society on efficiency and performance. I have to think of a better way to say this. :D

Ignore the Tamil nationalist nutjobs here. The live in a whole different universe so logic doesn't work with them.

Sri Lanka is not Singapore. Singapore don't have a history but Sri Lanka do. If we need to follow a country, we should choose a country that would be equal to us.
 
only world leader who was pro Tamil and said Tamils deserve a Homeland

Lee Kuan Yew: the Man and His Ideas, a book published in 1998
In talking of Sri Lanka, this is what Lee Kuan Yew says: -

"We have got to live with the consequences of our actions and we are responsible for our own people and we take the right decisions for them. You look at the old Philippines. The old Ceylon. The old East Pakistan and several others. I have been to these countries and places. When I went to Colombo for the first time in 1956 it was a better city than Singapore because Singapore had three and a half years of Japanese occupation and Colombo was the centre or HQ of Mountbatten's Southeast Asia command.

And they had sterling reserves. They had two Universities. Before the war, a thick layer of educated talent So if you believe what American liberals or British liberals used to say, then it ought to have flourished. But it didn't.

One-man one-vote led to the domination of the Sinhalese majority over the minority Tamils who were the active and intelligent fellows who worked hard and got themselves penalised. And English was out. They were educated in English. Sinhalese was in. They got quotas in two universities and now they have become fanatical Tigers. And the country will never be put together again.

Rajeev Gandhi was pro Tamil, you guys killed him :P
 
Sri Lanka is not Singapore. Singapore don't have a history but Sri Lanka do. If we need to follow a country, we should choose a country that would be equal to us.
This is what's wrong and what I meant by "obsessed with history". Don't get me wrong mate, I am not really satisfied with the achievements with Sinhalese civilisation. It shows that we need a whole different set of values. History is not something that limited to a certain period of time. It constantly moving forward. What we do today makes history tomorrow so countries like Singapore or USA have built their own history. That argument is baseless.

As for the future, do we need to be another Malaysia or Singapore? If there is a pool of talent, we need to get the maximum advantage of it than to drop people because they are belonged to x or y ethnicity/religion. At the same time, there should be tough punishment for those who endanger the unity of the country. I know that it's something hard to digest but that's the hard truth to keep us going.
 
Sri Lanka is not Singapore. Singapore don't have a history but Sri Lanka do. If we need to follow a country, we should choose a country that would be equal to us.

Sorry to disappoint you guys, SL is almost f***** up. I couldn't understand the political scenario since Jan. 8th and feel like they deceived us for their own benefits. Another 6 years will be passed out like this
Ceylon Today | JVP and NFF blast national government
 
Sorry to disappoint you guys, SL is almost f***** up. I couldn't understand the political scenario since Jan. 8th and feel like they deceived us for their own benefits. Another 6 years will be passed out like this
Ceylon Today | JVP and NFF blast national government
Nothing new. Same shit was repeated many times over.

BTW, don't think I have any political alignments. If MR wasn't involved in too much corruption and BS nepotism, I would be the most pro-MR member here.
 
Shows how little you know about the subject.. Better come back with a little more knowledge to comment on complex social issues of another country.. Sinhala Buddhist nationalism is partly to blamed,Yes.. But Tamil nationalism far preceded Sinhalese nationalism.. It was born in Tamil Nadu even before Periyar's separatist ideology of a greater Tamil nation.. Goes back to the British colonial period.. Ofcause short sighted political decisions by the racist Sinhala polity paved way for the Tamil supremacists to import that ideology to the Lankan Tamils with ease.. And Thankfully Chinese invaded Northern India in the 60's luckily to break the back of that separatist movement for a limited time.. So please spare us the righteousness.. If you think Kashmiri's Punjabi's and North Easterners are separatists.. Study about Tamil Nadu history.. You'll be surprised

Of cause Tamil Nadu is a vital factor.. It's politics keeps alive that ideology to this day .. Tamil Nadu literally means homeland for Tamils.. It exists, If any Tamil is unhappy with a inclusive plural Sri Lanka, There is always exclusive Tamil Tamil Nadu for them.. It's that simple

And its always convenient to blame others for your own shortcomings. Be it Tamil or Sinhalese racists both worked towards the same goal of destruction. And yes I am aware of Tamil separatist sentiments in India, and the complacency of Indian politicians.
 
And its always convenient to blame others for your own shortcomings. Be it Tamil or Sinhalese racists both worked towards the same goal of destruction. And yes I am aware of Tamil separatist sentiments in India, and the complacency of Indian politicians.

Where was the blame directed at others ? It takes two hands to clap.. Sinhalese chauvinists are equally to blame along with Tamil supremacists.. Your first post suggested otherwise totally ignoring the Tamil nationalism and it's history, I put it in the correct perspective

Sadly neither of these sides seems to have learnt their lessons even after 30 years of destruction.. Only those benefit are the polity in Tamil Nadu, to keep their ulterior motives strong

Note when i say polity i do not mean the Tamil civil society
 
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