Large Group Of Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

[Hamartia Antidote]

Cute. What's the cost? And brick. How cold does it get in Moorestown? Even with central heating and insulation, brick is energy inefficient, but long lasting. I also like the colonial look that's common in Virginia and much of the North East:

I come to the US a lot, mostly around D.C. and Northern Virginia, so I'm contemplating investing in a more permanent property in the region.

The brick depends upon when it was built. If it was built before around 1970 then it is probably brick with cinderblock behind it. So you'll be out of luck trying to easily insulate it (or do anything with it!). After 1970 it is usually only 1 brick thick with a standard wooden 2x4/2x6 (or if super lucky 2x8) construction behind it which is probably insulated. Before around 1970 energy was cheap so insulation was never thought about much.

Houses these days are also typically sealed in plastic wrap before the outer layer is put on to keep it airtight.

 

[Slave_to_the_waffle]

The brick depends upon when it was built. If it was built before around 1970 then it is probably brick with cinderblock behind it. So you'll be out of luck trying to easily insulate it (or do anything with it!). After 1970 it is usually only 1 brick thick with a standard wooden 2x4/2x6 (or if super lucky 2x8) construction behind it which is probably insulated. Before around 1970 energy was cheap so insulation was never thought about much.

Ekk! No insulation, well that makes sense, an expensive retrofit too... I guess, it might not be possible either. I'm used to cold, but my husband isn't. Ok, so if I was looking in Northern Virginia, with a house around 5000 sq feet, brick - no build date - and if the house never had any down time (occupied by someone or something all day, all year, so AC and heating costs are going to be a factor), what's my heating bill looking like? $200 a month in Winter? $300? AC is less of a monetary concern for me.

I'm not joking or speculating either, I'm in the market for a property for me, my man and my new born daughter stateside. I'm looking to get a transfer to our US branch (I work for a defense contractor - not naming it, but it has a US division too). My budget is around $750,000 - 850,000, though I'll go less if the property meets my requirements and standards.

Even if I can't get a transfer, I'm still looking for a property in the US (D.C. area, not specifically Virginia, D.D. and Maryland work too), not to rent, but to own.

Should I just forget about heating costs and bring my own personal heating apparatus?

@Nihonjin1051 what's the cost of utilities for you in New Jersey during the Summer and Winter?

 

[fallstuff]

Stop the food supply, cut the power off. That should do it.

 

[Slave_to_the_waffle]

Stop the food supply, cut the power off. That should do it.

Eventually that will work, but these militia types are often hardcore "survivalist" types too. In this instance, they brought their own food to prepare for an elongated stay:

The facility they occupy also had a food storage:

It probably has a portable generator too.

The pics come from: Oregon occupiers want to work with residents; locals critical | Reuters.com

 

[C130]

are people really comparing this militia to Islamic terrorists??

 

[Oldman1]

Eventually that will work, but these militia types are often hardcore "survivalist" types too. In this instance, they brought their own food to prepare for an elongated stay:

The facility they occupy also had a food storage:

It probably has a portable generator too.

The pics come from: Oregon occupiers want to work with residents; locals critical | Reuters.com

If they have around a dozen people, then thats not enough even with those food there especially potatoes and one can. In any case if there was a siege than they would run out sooner or later. Unless they resort to cannibalism.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Ekk! No insulation, well that makes sense, an expensive retrofit too... I guess, it might not be possible either. I'm used to cold, but my husband isn't. Ok, so if I was looking in Northern Virginia, with a house around 5000 sq feet, brick - no build date - and if the house never had any down time (occupied by someone or something all day, all year, so AC and heating costs are going to be a factor), what's my heating bill looking like? $200 a month in Winter? $300? AC is less of a monetary concern for me.

I'm not joking or speculating either, I'm in the market for a property for me, my man and my new born daughter stateside. I'm looking to get a transfer to our US branch (I work for a defense contractor - not naming it, but it has a US division too). My budget is around $750,000 - 850,000, though I'll go less if the property meets my requirements and standards.

If you get a home that is 2x8 and has insulated windows your heating bill will be almost nothing if it was built correctly. You can leave your home at 8am with it being 22C inside and 0C outside and come back at 6PM and it will still be above 15C. 2x6 will be much colder. 2x4 will be a lot colder.

 

[Aepsilons]

Moorestown Real Estate - Moorestown, NJ Homes for Sale - realtor.com®

Nevermind its cheaper. Less than a million.

I won't spend any more over 300K on a house, that's why I didn't move to Moorestown; homes there are considered cheap if its below 500.

@Nihonjin1051 what's the cost of utilities for you in New Jersey during the Summer and Winter?

I'm spending anywhere around $1000 a month during summers; up to $1200-$1500 during winter. Mind you this is including water, electric, gas. This does not include internet, cable +.

Houses these days are also typically sealed in plastic wrap before the outer layer is put on to keep it airtight.

hahahaha, looks very familiar, buddy!!!!!!

 

[Slave_to_the_waffle]

If they have around a dozen people, then thats not enough even with those food there especially potatoes and one can. In any case if there was a siege than they would run out sooner or later. Unless they resort to cannibalism.

Of course not, it and the food on hand in the storage section, and food being delivered from the outside, would last a month in a siege setting. But here's a question... how would the US population respond to another siege? Ruby Ridge and Waco - both extreme cases, galvanized anti-government inclined peoples in the US. Both of these were cited by Timothy McVeigh and the Bundy's, at the center of this case, as being motivation for their activities. McVeigh's frustration with the Federal Government's actions killed 168 and injured close to 700.

They can't outlast the Federal or Local Government and Law Enforcement, but any siege, shootout or negative publicity for the government isn't going to end well either.

Even on a smaller scale, the Bundy's last standoff with the BLM:

Directly contributed to this occupation.

Vox has an excellent rundown of the land-dispute between the Federal Government and the militia here:

It's not just the Oregon militia: Why many Westerners get angry about federal land rights - Vox

Would a siege increase the probability of more standoffs with anti-government militias? It has in the past.

Just waiting them out or leveraging an increasingly distant, but sympathetic local population, who wants the militias gone, would be the best options. Don't give into their demands, but don't provoke them either.

 

[Aepsilons]

My budget is around $750,000 - 850,000, though I'll go less if the property meets my requirements and standards.

Thats actually a big budget, melady. BIG! You loaded? hahaha

 

[Oldman1]

Of course not, it and the food on hand in the storage section, and food being delivered from the outside, would last a month in a siege setting. But here's a question... how would the US population respond to another siege? Ruby Ridge and Waco - both extreme cases, galvanized anti-government inclined peoples in the US. Both of these were cited by Timothy McVeigh and the Bundy's, at the center of this case, as being motivation for their activities. McVeigh's frustration with the Federal Government's actions killed 168 and injured close to 700.

They can't outlast the Federal or Local Government and Law Enforcement, but any siege, shootout or negative publicity for the government's isn't going to end well either.

Even on a smaller scale, the Bundy's last standoff with the BLM:

Directly contributed to this occupation.

Vox has an excellent rundown of the land-dispute between the Federal Government and the militia here:

It's not just the Oregon militia: Why many Westerners get angry about federal land rights - Vox

Would a siege increase the probability of more standoffs with anti-government militias? It has in the past.

Its true that the Ruby Ridge and Waco contributed to the Federal Government's handling of current standoffs with hesitation instead of being aggressive or lack of response.

But the terrorist attacks like McVeigh gives militias a bad name as well and less sympathy by the general public.

 

[Slave_to_the_waffle]

I'm spending anywhere around $1000 a month during summers; up to $1200-$1500 during winter. Mind you this is including water, electric, gas. This does not include internet, cable +.

Ouch, looks like daddy's footing that bill. I'll pay the mortgage.

I've got a utilities bill of about 6000 Kr, or slightly less than 600 USD.

The average cost for basic utilities (electricity, heating, water, garbage) for 900 sq ft apartment in Norway is 1700 Kr, or 191 USD. My house is 3 times the size with no utilities downtime.

Thats actually a big budget, melady. BIG! You loaded? hahaha

Mama's got money. The cost of living's pretty high in Norway, so my savings should convert nicely, even with a stronger USD.

 

[Aepsilons]

Mama's got money. The cost of living's pretty high in Norway, so my savings should convert nicely, even with a stronger USD.

Mama , indeed, has money. hahaha! Good luck on your house hunting, btw.

 

[Falcon29]

This is similar to that one farm issue we had in past. Will end peacefully, is protest with arms in vehicles. Eventually protestors will get tired and settle issue. Anyway the guys in the video seem confused, seems like they have thoughts in their heads leading them to think they are there for a cause.

If this was in an Arab country they would have been shot up long ago, lmao.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I'm spending anywhere around $1000 a month during summers; up to $1200-$1500 during winter. Mind you this is including water, electric, gas. This does not include internet, cable +.

That's pretty crazy. How are you paying $1200-$1500 with gas heating??? For your size house it should be $400 tops for the gas.
Something is definitely wrong.