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Report: Land under 50-plus Cities Is Sinking - Caixin Online

Report: Land under 50-plus Cities Is Sinking
Due to the over-depletion of groundwater, over 50 major cities in China are sinking, Chinese officials recently announced

Slated to be the China's tallest building upon completion, the 632-meter tall Shanghai Tower conveys stability, if not permanence.
The ground under it, however, is another story.
Spectators were intrigued in mid-February when a giant 8-meter long crack appeared in the asphalt near the tower. The crack was a reminder of Shanghai's shifting and sinking ground, which scientists say makes the city vulnerable to rising sea levels.
And Shanghai is not alone. China's Ministry of Land and Resources recently reported that the ground is sinking under more than 50 cities. The culprit is the overuse of groundwater, the ministry's Geological Environment Department Deputy Director Tao Qingfa told Caixin.
When residents consume too much groundwater, water pressure underground depletes and causes the soil to shift and sink, Tao said. Beijing, Tianjin, Hangzhou and Xi'an are all sinking in certain places as a result, he said.
The State Council recently ratified a five-year plan to address the issue of sinking ground levels, identifying the Yangtze River Delta, North China Plains and Fenwei Basin in Northern China as the most serious cases.
"The pumping of ground water to support the city's industrialization is to blame," Shanghai Institute for Geological Survey Vice Chief Engineer Fang Zheng told CCTV recently. "The city began taking preventative measures in 2005, and now the land has been sinking seven millimeters annually."
Some cities have already recognized the need to limit groundwater exploration. Ever since Tianjin began to reduce its groundwater consumption in 1985, the city's land has sunk by 20 millimeters annually, down from 80 millimeters, the five year plan said.
Shanghai's soil has been sinking as early as 1921. In 1965, the city sunk by 11 centimeters. Beijing is also at risk with 2,815 square meters sinking having sunk by more than 100 millimeters in recent years. In 2009, a 1.85-centimeter ditch suddenly appeared near Beijing's Chang'an Street.

Shanglantis! Skyscapers gradually sinking into ground in Pudong: Shanghaiist

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Shanglantis! Skyscapers gradually sinking into ground in Pudong
By Benjamin Cost
Shanghai, a city of over 20 million people and indomitable skyscrapers, is apparently giving indications that it's eager to join Atlantis among the great cities of the world that sank into the ocean. The quake-evoking cracks in the pavement around the new Shanghai Tower project in Pudong (the soon-to-be "world's tallest building") have measured up to 8 m long and 4 cm wide, inciting a mild panic in Shanghai. Residents fear that sinking ground caused by densely-packed skyscrapers will be to blame for the city's downfall.
 
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Shanghai area is really overpopulated, they need to start developing more tier 2 and tier 3 cities. Else a similar problem will emerge for all tier 1 cities in China. I hope they start discouraging more people from moving into these already mammoth cities for the sake of long term sustainance.
 
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You know, it would be really nice if China could have its capital in central part of their country from where governance to both east and west would be relatively easier.
 
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You know, it would be really nice if China could have its capital in central part of their country from where governance to both east and west would be relatively easier.
Historical Han Chinese capitals such as ChangAn(Xian today) and Nanjing were inland and in south.

It was the Altaic conquerors(Mongols and Jurchen/Manchus) who set up their capital in Beijing, as Beijing was a border city between their native homelands and China.
 
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Their lands in western part is almost uninhabited..... ofc the vast taklamakan desert is there but they should try to develop it. After all even California was also a desert few decades ago.
 
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Historical Han Chinese capitals such as ChangAn(Xian today) and Nanjing were inland and in south.

It was the Altaic conquerors(Mongols and Jurchen/Manchus) who set up their capital in Beijing, as Beijing was a border city between their native homelands and China.

Thanks for the info. So technically Han capital is supposed to be somewhere near Yunnan or something.. I see.

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Their lands in western part is almost uninhabited..... ofc the vast taklamakan desert is there but they should try to develop it. After all even California was also a desert few decades ago.

I think we should first focus on developing Rajasthan before we ask them to develop East Turkestan.
 
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Thanks for the info. So technically Han capital is supposed to be somewhere near Yunnan or something.. I see.


I think we should first focus on developing Rajasthan before we ask them to develop East Turkestan.

Don't learn Chinese history from him. :azn: Mogolian Yuan dynasty first set the capital in Beijing but it was pretty short. Ming dynasty drove Mongolians away and reset the capital in Nanjing (close to Shanghai). Even after that, Mongols still attacked northern border from time to time. Ming Emperor Yongle believed that the reason for that was that the capital city was too far from Mongol borders so resource can not deployed efficiently to defeat Mongols. Therefore the capital was moved to the Ming/Mongol border city Beijing and the famous Forbidden city was built. The move completely shaped the modern Chinese history and transfered Beijing from a border city to the metropolitan today. Later when Manchu Qing took control of China after Ming was overthrown by rebellion farmers, they just inherited the capital since they claim they were in China to drive away rebellions and re-establish “Mandate of Heaven".

Yunnan you mentioned was actually never a Han heartland. The place used to be a separate kingdom (Naozhao, Kingdom of Dali) before Kublai Khan incorporated it into the rest of China.
 
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Shanghai area is really overpopulated, they need to start developing more tier 2 and tier 3 cities. Else a similar problem will emerge for all tier 1 cities in China. I hope they start discouraging more people from moving into these already mammoth cities for the sake of long term sustainance.

Agriculture is the main contributor to water usage.
Industry get more bucks out of water use than agriculture.
Shanghai and the surrounding cities will merge and become the biggest Mega city in the world. This is part of China urbanisation.
The other Mega city will the Hong Kong - Shenzhen Pearl Delta region. Mega city will improve China's productivity and communication. It also allow people better access to heath care and education.

You know, it would be really nice if China could have its capital in central part of their country from where governance to both east and west would be relatively easier.

ChongQing is the wartime capital of China after Nanjing fell to the Japanese. ChongQing is in central China and is impregnable well protected by surrounding mountains.
 
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The State Council recently ratified a five-year plan to address the issue of sinking ground levels, identifying the Yangtze River Delta, North China Plains and Fenwei Basin in Northern China as the most serious cases.

Every country suffers from these kind of problems. Good thing is that Chinese Authorities have taken note of the problem and have contingency plans in place. There is no problem in the world that clever engineering can't solve. And Chinese are as good engineers as any one else.

Classic example of making mountain of a molehill.
 
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We were told about 1500 years ago that near the end times one in city the east, one in the west and one in the Arab land will sink.
 
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Don't learn Chinese history from him.
Better than learning from you.

Han Chinese heartland is ChangAn and Louyang. These two cities are close to each other as shown on the map.

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ChangAn
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Luoyang

Beijing as you know is the capital associated with various Altaic tribes, as the region is historically Altaic dominated and served as a launching ground of invasion.
 
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Beijing was influenced by the Altaic tribes, but it was originally the land of the Hua Xia people.

Enough with your Altaic BS here.
 
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Nope. Most developed countries rely on rivers and dams as sources of drinking water, not ground water.

Since you are in the United States, I ll provide you examples from United States.

Where does groundwater depletion occur in the United States?
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Groundwater depletion has been a concern in the Southwest and High Plains for many years, but increased demands on our groundwater resources have overstressed aquifers in many areas of the Nation, not just in arid regions. In addition, groundwater depletion occurs at scales ranging from a single well to aquifer systems underlying several states. The extents of the resulting effects depend on several factors including pumpage and natural discharge rates, physical properties of the aquifer, and natural and human-induced recharge rates. Some examples are given below.

Groundwater depletion, USGS water science
 
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