Kulbhushan Jadhav's wife, mother reach Islamabad for meeting with Indian spy

[Mirza Jatt]

No, I don't believe there's anything in vienna conventions for those convicted of espionage and spying. Whether or not you consider the meeting as humanitarian doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is a convicted spy was allowed to see his family. That doesn't happen very often. I do not see how it was conducted in a way that it raises doubt. To be honest, it appears you that you are gaslighting here.

In fact its a well know norm. It happens all the time that a foreign nationa once accepted by his country is given a consular access. BUT I do agree that it does not happen in Pakistan. Infact I did not expect Pakistan to do it, especially against a furious public opinion. Then why did Pakistan do it ?? why did it allow to meet when already KBY was declared a terrorist.... trust me dear its not as simple as it seems to you. I understand your point very well but you are still missing few points... your govt is just preparing few postives for your case in ICJ next hearing and the worst part is that your govt has no proof for his terrorist activity... infact why did youguys even wait so long once it was declared tat he is a terrorist ? why haven't you done the act yet?

The idea for glass screen is so that nothing can be passed from one to the other. No where in the world will you see convicted criminals have unfettered access like you are proposing.

c'mon now. You really think something could have been passed under all the lenses and your personnel ?and I do not have an issue with the glass screen... but no way the intention of arranging the meeting can be called humanitarian if that's how you set it up. Oh I didn't even mention removal of Bindi and jewellery..I think it could have well be inspected and allowed if they did think there was a bomb, camera or anything suspicious in it. But definitely not humanitarian. Again I would reiterate..I don't expect Pakistan to not do what they have done, but once they have allowed, they should be really well orhganised with these things..afterall there is purpose why this is being done..and Pakistan authorities is just making their case worse.

Why would you expect the family be allowed to meet the press inside Pakistan? That's a silly demand. No one called it consular access, it was poor reporting by journalists. The reason for not giving consular access is because he's convicted of espionage. I don't see how your conclusion follows from your premise. There's nothing that suggests that has consistently happened in other cases of espionage. I am fairly certain that Indian spies that were convicted of spying in the past, who were then released decades later and confessed to spying as soon as they stepped foot in India did not have consular access. As I said, I don't think your conclusion is logical based on the premise

True. They did not get consular access..you know why, because India never demanded even though they could. India or as a matter of fact any country who send spies, knows how the game works. They know when to even disown its citizen in such cases. But rest assured, when India does ask for consular access, it has enough strong a case with it to contest it. If India is putting so much of an effort in this case, trust me, it may or may not fetch the desired result of saving the person, but it has definitely a lot to gain diplomatically and right now I see India just banking on theopportunity created by Pakistan by arresting KBY. Infact India or any country including Pakistan in reality does nit give a rat *** if one of its agents are captured by the enemy. They simply have nothing to gain or loose with the person living or dead once the agent is captured.

Again, consular access is not the norm for those convicted of spying. Whatever you are espousing is merely your understanding, but it doesn't work that way internationally. As for evidence, having a fake passport is about as smoking gun an evidence as it comes. It for sure means that he's a spy at the very least.

You have to understand that there some norms to be followed. Pakistan has denied consular access under the charges that he is a spy. But India has rejected the claim. Hence the case went to ICJ. ICJ had to stop the hangig on thegrounds that 'He should have been given the consular access'. Now why you think its done that way ?

You are talking about ICJ and international community. No one at ICJ or international community is even debating that there is enough evidence against KY or not. Game of spies is allows a case of he said she said and no one gives a sh*t about them besides the two nations. This again is a case of the "noise" that I was mentioning earlier, you can declare that there is no evidence against KY but that really matters to one.

As I said earlier, If KBY is indeed a spy no one cares really what happens with KBY. Not even India. But the case here is not anymore about and individual's life. There are other purposes to be achieved through this. And If and only if , any change if events (I honestly don't expect it) happens, and KBY's case comes to a point in ICJ where it needs to be proven whether he is a spy or not at all, then that will be an added benefit to India. I don't really expect him to survive but India is just playing its cards well here

Pakistan should have known that India would never accept ICJ's jurisdiction in Kashmir case and not have bothered with this case in ICJ.

True.





The idea of taking on this case is stupid, because India will not accept ICJ's jurisdiction independent of the outcome of this case. So that's why I think this case is just noise and a waste of time and money, and only good for keyboard warriors to add more post counts and for politicians to keep their jobs.
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