KS-172 was only a myth for IAF

[Myth_buster_1]

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[su-47]

ok, so flankers wont have KS-172. They'll have a Vympel missile. Since Vympel has had experience building missiles like Vympel r-33 (NATO codename AA-9 Amos), i think this missile will be better than KS-172. Its like losing a dime and finding a dollar.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

ok, so flankers wont have KS-172. They'll have a Vympel missile. Since Vympel has had experience building missiles like Vympel r-33 (NATO codename AA-9 Amos), i think this missile will be better than KS-172. Its like losing a dime and finding a dollar.

your wonderful logic does not hold any substance..

 

[su-47]

your wonderful logic does not hold any substance..

ok, let me elaborate. Vympel has had experience making Long range Supersonic AAMs before, like the AA-9 Amos. This means that Vympel's missiles are likely to be better than the KS-172 made by Novator, a company making long range AAMs for the first time.

Now read the last part of the article you posted. It talks about the revival of vympel's missile program. this means that basically even though the KS-172 program is abandoned, the need for a long range AAM is not. Instead of Novator, it'll be Vympel making it. At the end of the day, the Flankers are going to be armed with long range AAMs.

Now, about my logic not holding substance, why do u think the Russians gave Vympel the contract instead of Novator? coz Vympel is better.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

ok, let me elaborate. Vympel has had experience making Long range Supersonic AAMs before, like the AA-9 Amos. This means that Vympel's missiles are likely to be better than the KS-172 made by Novator, a company making long range AAMs for the first time.

Now read the last part of the article you posted. It talks about the revival of vympel's missile program. this means that basically even though the KS-172 program is abandoned, the need for a long range AAM is not. Instead of Novator, it'll be Vympel making it. At the end of the day, the Flankers are going to be armed with long range AAMs.

Now, about my logic not holding substance, why do u think the Russians gave Vympel the contract instead of Novator? coz Vympel is better.

thats my point.. KS-172 never existed but only inBharat-rakshak fanboys dream.. however better missiles do exist like AMRAAM, PL-14 or russian ramjet AAM...

 

[nitesh]

thats my point.. KS-172 never existed but only inBharat-rakshak fanboys dream.. however better missiles do exist like AMRAAM, PL-14 or russian ramjet AAM...

First of all, in IAF site that is never shown as a weapon so officially it is not a weapon that is available to IAF, now if in some forum it has been discussed you go there and put this thing there why the hell you are jumping around here. Stop talking nonsense.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

First of all, in IAF site that is never shown as a weapon so officially it is not a weapon that is available to IAF, now if in some forum it has been discussed you go there and put this thing there why the hell you are jumping around here. Stop talking nonsense.

calm down. of course its not inducted in IAF because the missile does not exist! talking of forum, these fanboys were so excited that they thought IAF will be shooting Erieyes like flys...

 

[nitesh]

calm down. of course its not inducted in IAF because the missile does not exist! talking of forum, these fanboys were so excited that they thought IAF will be shooting Erieyes like flys...

So go there and shout on them why you are jumping here if somebody could have posted here and then made a claim then it is ok otherwise if you have problem with other site go there and post the same news there why the hell you have to mention other site name here.

 

[nitesh]

well I found some old info check these, one is a FORCE MAGAZINE ( Indian Defence Publication) and the other is an Article from Janes MISSILES AND ROCKETS)


NOTE : THis began in 1991 AS a Russian Program but has finally Ended as a Joint Venture between India and Russia
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Source FORCE Defence Publication , Volume 1 No 6 April 2004 , Page 55 .

( Its copyright issue so not posting the full article )

Title of Article: India Starts Defence Exports : Joint Ventures Now yielding rich Divedends

KS -172

- Joint Venture between India's DRDO and Russias NPO Novator ( Basically means Indian Money Russian Know-how)

SpeciFications

- It is an ultra Long Range AA-M with a Development Range of 400KMs To Target AEW/AWAC Type High Value Aircrafts
- Sole Carrier in the Indian AF will be the Su-30MKI

Features ( DImensions)

- 1.4 Meter long Rocket Booster ,AAM-L

-Weight 748Kgs

- Core Diameter 0.40 Meter , Total Lenght 6.01 Meters , Span .61 Meters

-Launched by a Solid-propellant Tandem Rocket Booster

- The KS® 172 will attack its Targets with an adaptive high explosive ( HE) fragmentation warhead.

Guidance

- Secure Data-Linked Based inertial Navigation System for MidCourse Guidance ( This would probably be done by AWACS or the 2-3 MKIs Working in Tandem with their Mini AWAC Capability)

- Active Radar Homing for its Terminal Phase.

-The missile will be used against air targets flying at altitudes from 3m to 30km with speeds up to 4,000km/h and manoeuvring at up to 12g

INDO-RUSSO CO-OPERATION

DRDO and NPO will jointly Develop:

- An Active Homing Radar Seeker with a Wide Lock-On Range Which is able to recieve targeting data from the launch AC.

- Design a combined Gas/AeroDynamic Control system with 3d TVC . Provides High Manoeuvrability irrespective of launch Conditions and allows for missle launch with AC in super Manoeuvrability flight mode.

- Create and Adaptive Rapid Reaction Autopilot Which Optimises with Missile Stabilization and control Parameters within the firing range.

- Development of Special Interaction Logic btween the KS-172 Explosive Fuse and Guidance system Which ( In addition to structural and config features) gurantees absolute immunity of the Warhead detonation system to Jamming


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( JANE'S MISSILES AND ROCKETS - MARCH 01, 2004)

JANE'S MISSILES AND ROCKETS - MARCH 01, 2004


Novator offers a redesigned KS-172S-1 long-range AAM
Piotr Butowski

Sukhoi has displayed a model of the Su-35 multirole fighter carrying under its wings two KS-172S-1 ultra-long range air-to-air missiles, writes Piotr Butowski. The weapon is an export variant of a missile originally offered to the Russian Air Force by the Novator Company of Yekaterinburg.

Work on the KS-172 air-to-air missile began in 1991. Alternative designations 'Izdeliye 172 (K-172)' and the anglicised 'AAM-L' have also been reported. The basis of the new weapon was the second stage of the 3M83 surface-to-air missile used by the S-300V (SA-12 Gladiator) anti-aircraft system.

A full-scale mock-up of the KS-172 was shown in front of Su-27 fighter at Zhukovsky in August 1993. but over the next 10 years there was no further news of the project. The model shown late last year has a different shape to that of the mock-up shown in 1993. Both versions have a two-stage propulsion system, but in the current KS-172S-1 design the length of the tandem-mounted booster has been increased while its diameter has been reduced. The length of the missile without booster has been reduced so that the overall length of the complete round is unchanged.

According to Novator, the KS-172S-1 is 6.0m long and weighs 700kg, dimensions which are unchanged from those announced in 1993. Its diameter has been reported as 40cm.

In the 1993 design, the nose section of the missile was of smaller diameter than the rest of the fuselage, a configuration which proves additional internal volume for the rocket motor. In the current design, the fuselage is of constant diameter, and the tail-mounted cruciform control fins are of shorter span and longer chord.

The missile is guided to the target by a multi-mode guidance system typical for beyond-visual range missiles. In the first phase of flight, guidance is by inertial navigation with command updates in the mid-course phase. An active-radar seeker is used for terminal guidance. According to earlier reports, the missile carries a directional high-explosive (HE) fragmentation warhead, probably weighing about 50kg, and initiated by a radar proximity fuze.

Maximum range of the KS-172S-1 export variant is 300km; the version proposed for Russian air forces is believed to have a range of 400km. The missile will be used against air targets flying at altitudes from 3m to 30km with speeds up to 4,000km/h and manoeuvring at up to 12g. Typical targets could include all types of aircraft (including AWACS or J-STARS platforms, tankers, reconnaissance and electronic-warfare aircraft), cruise missiles, as well as long and medium-range anti-aircraft missiles which pose a threat to the KS-172-armed fighter.

Several test launches of the KS-172 have been made, but these rounds were not fitted with a guidance system. The firing of rounds fitted only with an autopilot and programmed to fly pre-planned manoeuvres is common in the early stages of air-to-air missile programmes.

The Russian air force did not adopt the KS-172, but opted to back a competing K-37M missile offered by Vympel. It is surprising to see that the Novator weapon is now being offered for export.