Kicking myself after watching this show

[greatsequence]

Another zaid hamid in the making?

 

[Neither Right Nor Wrong]

Another zaid hamid in the making?

Naa..unlike Zaid Hamid he is pathetic orator , he might share his views but can not explain his viewpoint to another person.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

As I mentioned in my post, I was expecting such remarks. Anybody who comes out in the public sphere and says something deserves criticism. In this case, he spews venom and wikipeda-youtube-knowledge as "research" and can't control the NWO outbursts in a debate on "conservatism" both social and political. I bet he cannot understand what economic conservatism means.

As for proving his claims wrong:-

Firstly, the show wasn't even about the NWO. It didn't concern the NWO at all. Trained in the NWO-Zionist conspiracies, he brought out this BS.

Secondly, Bilderberg Group and Trilateral Commission. Seriously dude? What has that got to do with political and social conservatism? And the UN.

Thirdly, I'm sick of the youtube-documentary-wikipedia-and-three-short-blog-posts-I-know-everything crowd much like a lot of other people.

and Fourthly, there are something you should not even try to refute. They are so stupid that one should not even care trying to refute them. Bilderberg and Trilateral are in that territory.

My criticism is on the content that came out of his mouth. If I go on national television and start vomiting hatred against Ali Azmat, that will be outright wrong and unacceptable but something that we all know is the height of idiocracy, deserves to be labeled idiocracy and people must know that we are breeding a whole bunch of zeitgeist watching slaves not free thinkers.

PS:- I keep telling everybody here that badmouthing politicians is wrong and serves no purpose. Not a personal issue, but ever thought of that?

Interesting talk-show.
Interesting opinions.
Though, personally i preferred Ali Azmat when he had hair on his head and sang, its interesting to see him as an aspiring 'social scientist'.
Fortunately, the Social Scientist on the show, (wise as he is) did not sing.
Finally, what would Baba Bulleh Shah say on seeing all this? "I still don't know who I am" (since everybody around seems to know everything).

 

[desiman]

You mean he is your hang out boddy. Lucky you....

What's his background?

i used to organize concerts in Toronto and did one for Junoon a long time ago. He is quite a fun guy but Salman is the real chap lol After they split up Ali came for a concert just by himself to Toronto and so i keep in touch with him now and then. He is a good guy but hot headed, will be your best friend one sec and will start fighting with you the next lol

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Naa..unlike Zaid Hamid he is pathetic orator , he might share his views but can not explain his viewpoint to another person.

AND HE DOES'NT EVEN WEAR A FUNNY RED CAP!
But i like him as a singer, for sure.

 

[Mani2020]

Sparklingways and Emo Girl

You both start bashing Ali Azmat to hell ,Yeah he may have made few mistakes in his speech but wat the hell is wrong in it cant we and many other people do so.We are damn human beings.And atleast you have to quote what point of his seemed to you as stupidness or bash worthy?

Let me explain to you the things he told

Firstly he said we haveDynamic Society

Whats the indigestible thing in that? dont we have such society where there is a blend of Bold and conserve people dont you see girls with jeans smoking openly in bars and clubs in one minute and on second minute you see girls with Hijab covering all there body.Isnt it a difference b/w the typ of people or have you lost your sense of observation.
On one hand we have people fully impressed with hollywood movies adapting western styles and on the other hand people following islamic ideology and there lies the clash of mentalities coz we are an Islamic state not a secular we have to follow the ideology,this liberalism and Conservatism led us to a never ending conflict

Second point that every one is working against Pakistan and Islam
Dont tell me that you dont know what is happening around the world...After US attack on Iraq, Afghanistan and what is happening in Palestine you still think that no one is against islam? if not than tell me what the hell israeli's are doing in Palestine?
why the hell the Americans so called the preachers of peace are not taking action against Israel when every one in the world can see children going to school and only coming back are their dead bodies?
When a single jew or american is killed the world speaks loud against muslims but when Palestinians are being killed,when afghanis are being killed when iraqis are being kille why the hell nobody speaks? Then all your so called western well wishers got blind?

What the hell is going on in Kashmir,Why nobody solves Kashmir issue?
What the hell US did in Iran-Iraq war, what the hell Us did in creating Taliban (which by the way are now called Islamic terrorists) what the hell is going in Sudan and other muslim countries, these all make you feel that the west is not against Islam

From where the hell these Talibans are getting these latest amunitions ? How the hell they got such sophisticated weapons? from where they are getting a lot of money that they are fighting for a long time and yet not being vanished? Is Zaid hamid providing them these or Ali azmat? Still you think world is not against Pakistan

When you were on the verge of nuclear explosion israeli's were in in india with their f-16's to destroy your installations if all the non-muslim countries love you thn why the hell and wat the hell Israeli's were doing there?

Forget about Zaid Hamid and else Atleast try to ready your very own Ahadith Books , like Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Nasai etc

You will find Ahadith that will answer your questions about how Non-Muslims will treat muslims near the end times.or should i quote number of AHADITH?

 

[Mani2020]

Third point regarding Pakistan media

Our media is one of the culprits. When ever you switch on your Tv you see every news channel talking about blasts,killing blah blah blah Even i saw geo news showing a news of a cylinder which was found in a Ganda Nalla. There are so many naxal attacks taking place in india have there media ever shown such things lyk our media do?You hardky got to know hardly few of them

Our always show broken and damage roads, and always portray a pathetic image of Pakistan have you ever seen them showing the beauty of Pakistan to promote Tourism? No, they just need hot news to earn money...and the urgency with which they can easily earn audience favour and money.You have seen hundred of talk shows on different news channels,have you ever come to a conclusion after spending hours on them?

Fourth point regarding autocracy and democracy

What you have in Pakistan ,An autocracy like democracy or a democracy like Autocracy? Tell me

How people become terrorists

Tell me one thing if your innocent family members are killed due to an american drome attack wont you become a terrorist?

If your childrens are hungry and dying with hunger and you dont have money to feed them and somebody gives you 10,000 rupees and in return ask you to become terrorist wont you do it?

If your enemy is forcing your friend to kill your brother and your friend do so as Musharraf did for America wont you become a terrorist?

Bashing other while sitting in US and European countries is easy but have you guts to do something for you country? You can say and say a lot while sitting there...Come here live here under the fear of sucide attacks.Come here and witness the condition of dead bodies lying in moon market Come here and see the children getting orphan ,women getting widows .Then you may recognize the pain we feel due to your sincere friends but yeah if somebody talks agaisnt your so called friends you start bashing him.What the hell you lost? go and ask those who are suffering in Palsetine,Kashmir and residents of Pakistan

Sir bashing other is quite easy its just you have to say to lines against him and thats it but bashing with logics and solid reason is what we Pakistani's lack

Its not Ali Azmat rather every Pakistani is confused about who will be good to rum country you me and everyone because we have people like Musharaf, we have people like zardari among us

 

[sparklingway]

Mani2020 : I didn't post it b/c Ali Azmat was being questioned or defending association with ZH. Zaid Hamid is of no concern anymore.

And about all the views that you expressed, everybody has the right to maintain views the way he wants but the topic for the program wasn't NWO, the Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission or "namaz, roza waghair karein to Taliban hain" as Ali Azmat put it.

 

[Hyde]

Mani u share my nick name.....
Both of them r atheist,,, don't tell them of Ahadees... They don't even believe in God.

Hey hey hey, who gave you right to declare anybody athiest?
Allah is the best knower of intentions
You have no right to declare anybody athiest, are you a high ranked scholar?
If you don't like his/her posts, ignore them
Pray for them so Allah guide them to straight path (if you think they are not)

and please keep your mouth shut

@Mani

your post is too long bro, i wanted to read it but its just too long next time please come up with constructive argument

 

[sur]

I am sorry, I was NOT being offensive,,, was just warning "Mani" that he might get offended if any of those 2 replied to his recommendation of reading Ahadees...

I am NOT declaring anyone anything,,, u don't remember the thread of scientist inventing new life...!!! both of them vehemently denied existance of God in that thread... Also calling Quranic science as Pseudo-science... Don't want to go in details.

This was NOT my personal opinion or anything...

I am NOT responsible of short-memory of others...

 

[JonAsad]

I am sorry, I was NOT being offensive,,, was just warning "Mani" that he might get offended if any of those 2 replied to his recommendation of reading Ahadees...

I am NOT declaring anyone anything,,, u don't remember the thread of scientist inventing new life...!!! both of them vehemently denied existance of God in that thread... Also calling Quranic science as Pseudo-science... Don't want to go in details.

This was NOT my personal opinion or anything...

I am NOT responsible of short-memory of others...

Add the "Islam and Athiest" thread to the list.
P.S how do they get away with balant Islam Bashing.
Guess, not being an Indian has its benifits.
btw as long as ny one dont justify its faith by bashing Islam i am happy with what ever they believe.

"this is not directed to any one just my personal thoughts, my right of free speech"
Peace.

 

[Kompromat]

@ Sparklingway:

I understand your concept about TTP funds coming through criminal gangs and stuff also selling drugs is yet another source of income but both are inconsistent.

Funding an Org like TTP is like funding a 24/7 operational factory and it has to have consistent sources of money to support their acts of terror.

Saudi Arabia is not funding any TTP but some saudis may have been according to some western claims which stand without any proofs or anyone getting charged for it which makes it invalid at least for now.

Israel & India also can be involved on the ground and in providing training to the terrorists and it must not be underestimated.

Staff Report

KARACHI: The CID police has arrested five suicide bombers in Orangi Town, Karachi, said the SSP CID Police, Fayyaz Khan Wednesday.

The police has recovered two suicide jackets, which are made in India, from the terrorists and are now disposed off. Also, 100 kg of explosive material and five klashnikovs have been confiscated.

The police has cordoned off the area.

.:: SAMAA - 5 suicide bombers arrested in Karachi

 

[anathema]

Third point regarding Pakistan media

Our media is one of the culprits. When ever you switch on your Tv you see every news channel talking about blasts,killing blah blah blah Even i saw geo news showing a news of a cylinder which was found in a Ganda Nalla. There are so many naxal attacks taking place in india have there media ever shown such things lyk our media do?You hardky got to know hardly few of them

Mani this thread is for you guys (Pakistanis) and i have no intention to interfere nor do i have anything to offer since all the names are unknown to me (except for Junoon lead singer). I just wanted to point out that compared to Indian media , pakistani media is in its infacy. Indian media will do anything and everything for news. If there's a Naxal attack and if even one kid has got a scratch OR if Naxal trainee gives a speach ..Indian media will cover it without any fear and shamelesly proclaim it as "BREAKING NEWS"...Trust me you dont want that kind of media....so your claims about nothing being reported in Indian media is unfounded and in all proabability if nothing is being reported then nothing has happened.

Our always show broken and damage roads, and always portray a pathetic image of Pakistan have you ever seen them showing the beauty of Pakistan to promote Tourism? No, they just need hot news to earn money...and the urgency with which they can easily earn audience favour and money.You have seen hundred of talk shows on different news channels,have you ever come to a conclusion after spending hours on them?

But dont you think it should be a Government policy to promote tourism ? If GOP themselves are not showing any inclination to promote tourism then what can News channels do about it ? News channels just do one thing -- They bring out news...so if the roads are bad , and if people are affected then yeah they will bring it out. On other hand -- if a part of country is beautiful but it doesnt affect any one then news channels wont care for it UNLESS Government decides to make tourism as a policy (new attractions , facilities , etc)..

On other hand -- i sincerely feel that without resolving all the internal issues (WOT, etc) ...there cant be any scope of a tourism industry....SWAT was a awesome place...but i dont believe it can any more cater to Tourism industry...

This is not a flame post...so please dont take it as one.

 

[Hammy007]

I am sorry, I was NOT being offensive,,, was just warning "Mani" that he might get offended if any of those 2 replied to his recommendation of reading Ahadees...

I am NOT declaring anyone anything,,, u don't remember the thread of scientist inventing new life...!!! both of them vehemently denied existance of God in that thread... Also calling Quranic science as Pseudo-science... Don't want to go in details.

This was NOT my personal opinion or anything...

I am NOT responsible of short-memory of others...

i am surprised you post was deleted, why declaring anybody atheist is offence??, he has his personal beliefs and thats fine for him, more over we have nicks of mods like "agnostic muslim" and members like "pakistani atheist" etc etc....

certain catagory of people share views like jihadist, islamist, mullahized etc??? its the worst of all offences, using a good name for bad purpose, creating hatred..

whats with the two faced policies here by controllers???

news agencies like dawn news blog writers who write their liberal views and say that 85% of pakistani people share their views, delebrate lieing on media and internet are simply put as "munaafiqins", and at certain time when we will have change of govt, the common people with musharrafs and zerdaris for put country into western created mess.

 

[sparklingway]

I get your pint and agree to a certain extent but how many times has it got to be mentioned that this isn't a Vickers rather a Russian PK Machine Gun.

@jonasad and sur:- Sorry, I cannot waste my time replying to personal attacks.