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Kaveri engine to power fifth generation fighter aircraft

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The Il-70 aircraft at Moscow powered by the Kaveri engine developed by India. A file Photo: DRDO.

Under development for over two decades, the indigenous fighter jet engine ‘Kaveri’ will be used for powering the home-grown fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Being developed by DRDO’s Gas Turbine research Establishment (GTRE), the Kaveri was initially being developed for the LCA Tejas programme but now it will be used on the AMCA, which is expected to be ready by 2016-17, senior officials told PTI here.


The AMCA is a twin-engine indigenous fighter aircraft programme for which initial sanctions have already been accorded by the Defence Ministry, they added.

The indigenous fighter aircraft engine programme was first started in 1986 and has suffered delays and cost over-runs. It was also marred by the technology denial regimes in the 90s.

After not being able to get the desired thrust for powering fighter aircraft, the DRDO entered into a Joint Venture with the French engine manufacturers Snecma to further enhance its capabilities.

“In recent times, the engine has been able to produce thrust of 70-75 Kilo Newton but what the IAF and other stake-holders desire is power between 90—95 KN.

“I think with the JV with Snecma in place now, we would be able to achieve these parameters in near future,” they said.

On using the Kaveri for the LCA, they said the engine would be fitted on the first 40 LCAs to be supplied to the IAF when they come for upgrades to the DRDO in the latter half of the decade.

Due to the absence of an indigenous engine, GE engines from the United States were procured to power the LCAs and recently, another tender was awarded to the American company for supplying 99 engines for the advanced version of the Tejas.

On the present status of the programme, officials said the maiden flight test of the Kaveri was completed successfully during the Flying Test Bed (FTB) trials at the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Moscow November last year.

During the coming months, 50-60 test flights will be carried out to mature the engine in terms of reliability, safety and airworthiness.

These trials would pave the way for further flight trials of Kaveri engine with a fighter aircraft, they added.


The Hindu : Sci-Tech / Technology : Kaveri engine to power fifth generation fighter aircraft
 
90-95kn thrust is nt enough to power a 5th gen fighter.

countries are developing 180Kn thrust engines to power their 5th gen fighters

---------- Post added at 06:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:32 PM ----------

bt even congrats for the current 70-75KN thrust engine development
 
Only operational 5th gen is having 104 Kn...

180 Kn?? is it a drag race or is it for rockets?
 
Only operational 5th gen is having 104 Kn...

180 Kn?? is it a drag race or is it for rockets?

f-22 each engine thrust is 157KN
Pratt & Whitney F119 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

f-35 each engine thrust is 190KN.and it seem underpower..some sites suggest that upgraded variant of this engine is in development with 240KN thrust.
Pratt & Whitney F135 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

at present the PAk fa each engine thrust is 147 KN and 180KN one in development
Saturn AL-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

at present the ws-10G engine isntalled in J-20 for the flight test each engine thrust is 155KN and 180KN one in development.

Saturn AL-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
90-95kn thrust is nt enough to power a 5th gen fighter.

countries are developing 180Kn thrust engines to power their 5th gen fighters

---------- Post added at 06:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:32 PM ----------

bt even congrats for the current 70-75KN thrust engine development

Its is twin engine, so 70-75 x 2
 
We need to concentrate and Invest more on Kaveri. This is our own Design and development. One huge step towards Self reliance in Defence field.
 
f-22 each engine thrust is 157KN
Pratt & Whitney F119 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

f-35 each engine thrust is 190KN.and it seem underpower..some sites suggest that upgraded variant of this engine is in development with 240KN thrust.
Pratt & Whitney F135 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

at present the PAk fa each engine thrust is 147 KN and 180KN one in development
Saturn AL-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

at present the ws-10G engine isntalled in J-20 for the flight test each engine thrust is 155KN and 180KN one in development.

Saturn AL-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually F-22, PakFa, J-20 are all heavy fighters. But AMCA would be a medium weight fighter, the size of Mig 29.
For a fighter of this size, 2 90-95 KN engines are good enough, even for super cruise. As said in the article, Kaveri will be around that number when it is installed on AMCA.
 
Its is twin engine, so 70-75 x 2
The multi-national F-35 program has a single engine with a military thrust of 190 kN.

If you want to have true 5th generation features including supercruise like how the American Raptors perform, your engine would still be very drastically underpowered.
 
Actually F-22, PakFa, J-20 are all heavy fighters. But AMCA would be a medium weight fighter, the size of Mig 29.
For a fighter of this size, 2 90-95 KN engines are good enough, even for super cruise. As said in the article, Kaveri will be around that number when it is installed on AMCA.
The F-35 is a smaller fighter aircraft of the type you mention. And yet check the thrust of its engines. You would need to have a dry thrust of minimum 100kN and upwards to actually have any considerable 5th generation propulsion advantage.
 
The multi-national F-35 program has a single engine with a military thrust of 190 kN.

If you want to have true 5th generation features including supercruise like how the American Raptors perform, your engine would still be very drastically underpowered.

Yes dear but F-35 is single engined air craft, need higher thrust.

AMCA will be twin engined and if one engine can achieve 90 dry thrust, good enough.
 
f-22 each engine thrust is 157KN
Pratt & Whitney F119 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

f-35 each engine thrust is 190KN.and it seem underpower..some sites suggest that upgraded variant of this engine is in development with 240KN thrust.
Pratt & Whitney F135 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

at present the PAk fa each engine thrust is 147 KN and 180KN one in development
Saturn AL-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

at present the ws-10G engine isntalled in J-20 for the flight test each engine thrust is 155KN and 180KN one in development.

Saturn AL-41 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


i think Its 2 engines which gives 185Kn
 
The F-35 is a smaller fighter aircraft of the type you mention. And yet check the thrust of its engines. You would need to have a dry thrust of minimum 100kN and upwards to actually have any considerable 5th generation propulsion advantage.

The F-35 is not smaller than AMCA. F-35 is in the 30 ton category, whereas the AMCA would be in the 20 ton category. AMCA is supposed to be no heavier than 11 tons empty, and 24-25 tons MTOW. So it is considerably smaller than the F-35.

And for an aircraft that is almost 25-30 % smaller, and has only 2-3% less thrust, I don't see it underpowered. It would fare way better than the F-35 on propulsion count.

Even at max take of weight, the T/W ratio comes out to be 0.84 for the AMCA, with Kaveri at 95 KN thrust, which it is supposed to achieve by the time AMCA is prototyped.
 
ok fine check the trust of other fighters (twin engine)

Eurojet 2000 (powering Eurofighter)

60 Kn to 89 Kn

Snecma M88-2 turbofans (French Rafale)

50 Kn to 75 Kn

even if Kaveri gives us 70 -75 dry thrust, it is good than Rafale engines. and it gives 90-95, then good than Eurofighter engines...
 
Actually F-22, PakFa, J-20 are all heavy fighters. But AMCA would be a medium weight fighter, the size of Mig 29.
For a fighter of this size, 2 90-95 KN engines are good enough, even for super cruise. As said in the article, Kaveri will be around that number when it is installed on AMCA.

its fine then bt if it is medium size then its internal bay at max will carry 2BVR.you mean something like the f-117..
 

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