Kashmiri actor starring in “Haider” martyred by Indian forces

[El Sidd]

They are not protesters. They are stone-pelting MOB. What do you say to that? Behti Ganga mein haat dho diya.

@Retired Troll


They are not protesters. They are stone-pelting MOB. What do you say to that? Behti Ganga mein haat dho diya.

@Retired Troll

Its an old tradition. Muslims stone the devil during Hajj and Kashmiris stone the Indians each day.
How has their Lord blessed them but they do not know.

 

[Dubious]

Meanwhile, Kashmir is not on the list of disputed territories of UNSC.

https://kmsnews.org/news/2018/07/19/kashmir-is-internationally-recognized-disputed-territory/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1217447

if india is so innocent why hasnt it agreed to this: https://www.reuters.com/article/ind...an-rights-violations-in-kashmir-idUSL8N1TF6AO

Kashmir cause.

freedom fighters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ful-killings-in-kashmir-in-first-ever-report/

 

[LASER1]

https://kmsnews.org/news/2018/07/19/kashmir-is-internationally-recognized-disputed-territory/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1217447

if india is so innocent why hasnt it agreed to this: https://www.reuters.com/article/ind...an-rights-violations-in-kashmir-idUSL8N1TF6AO

Simple because of sovereignty.

We have a mechanism to check into rights violations if any. We don't need anyone to give us orders, because it is our territory.

Also, some nobody comments don't matter. Tell me why Kashmir removed from list of disputed territories.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jammu-and-kashmir-removed-from-list-of-disputes-under-un-439267

freedom fighters

Whatever

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ful-killings-in-kashmir-in-first-ever-report/

As I said, we don't care what UN says. It's our sovereign territory, so far has anyone taken any actions on someone who disobeys UN? UN is just a body which gives directives, there is no enforcing mechanism.

@Dubious Football playing kids.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/18-h...-army-and-14-year-old-freedom-fighter.590882/
The kind of duplicity on PDF.

On one hand, you lot celebrate the killing of soldiers by "Children", then cry foul when the same kids are killed.
What kind of twisted set of logic is this?

 

[Dubious]

We have a mechanism to check into rights violations if any.

Yea that mechanism is called shooting children

Also, some nobody comments don't matter. Tell me why Kashmir removed from list of disputed territories.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jammu-and-kashmir-removed-from-list-of-disputes-under-un-439267

indian news from 2010?! indians would type anything!

Here is something from 2015: https://www.dawn.com/news/1217447

3. The basic points about the UN resolution are that:

• The complaint relating to Kashmir was initiated by India in the Security Council;
• The Council explicitly and by implications, rejected India's claim that Kashmir is legally Indian territory;
• The resolutions established self-determination as the governing principal for the settlement of the Kashmir dispute. This is the world body's commitment to the people of Kashmir;
• The resolutions endorsed a binding agreement between India and Pakistan reached through the mediation of UNCIP, that a plebiscite would be held, under agreed and specified conditions.

1. The Security Council has rejected the Indian contention that the people of Kashmir have exercised their right of self-determination by participating in the "election" which India has from time to time organized in the Held Kashmir. The 0.2% turn out during the 1989 "elections" was the most recent clear repudiation of the Indian claim.

2. Pakistan continues to adhere to the UN resolutions. These are binding also on India.

3. The Simla Agreement of 2 July 1972, to which Pakistan also continues to adhere, did not alter the status of Jammu and Kashmir as a disputed territory:

• Para 6 of the Agreement lists “a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir" as one of the outstanding questions awaiting a settlement.

• Para 4 (ii) talks of a "Line of Control" as distinguished from an international border. Furthermore, it explicitly protects "the recognized position of either side." The recognized position of Pakistan is the one, which is recognized by the United Nations and the World Community in general.

• Article 1(iv) obviously refers to the Kashmir issue when it talks of "the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedeviled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 year.

The government of Pakistan and Government of India are resolved that the two countries put an end to the conflict and confrontation that have hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of durable peace in the subcontinent, so the both countries may henceforth devote their resources and energies to the pressing task of advancing the welfare of their people.
Here is what the world sees it as: https://www.worldbulletin.net/inter...-oldest-dispute-at-the-un-agenda-h146986.html

UN in 2018: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ful-killings-in-kashmir-in-first-ever-report/

While being narrow in scope, the report is reflexive in understanding its limitations, mindful of the complex history and the diverse communities of the region, and perhaps most importantly, shatters the myth of India’s presumed territorial integrity by maintaining that Kashmir is a ‘disputed territory’. The statistics and incidents cited are not surprising, having been identified by independent activists and journalists for years, but their reiteration by an international body like the Office of the High Commissioner nonetheless constitutes an important step towards breaking the stagnation in international media and academia regarding Kashmir. The report, its acknowledgement of the right of the Kashmiris to self- determination, and its call for an independent commission to further investigate human rights abuses through on-site investigation represent major steps in dismantling the culture of silence generated by India regarding the situation in Kashmir. It is not simply an acknowledgement (long overdue) of the grief and violence Kashmiris have been and continue to be subjected to, but also an acknowledgement of them as political subjects with a right to decide their own political future.

In 2018: http://ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/lets-talk-...lic-significance-of-the-un-report-on-kashmir/

 

[ranjeet]

Yea that mechanism is called shooting children


indian news from 2010?! indians would type anything!

Here is something from 2015: https://www.dawn.com/news/1217447

3. The basic points about the UN resolution are that:

• The complaint relating to Kashmir was initiated by India in the Security Council;
• The Council explicitly and by implications, rejected India's claim that Kashmir is legally Indian territory;
• The resolutions established self-determination as the governing principal for the settlement of the Kashmir dispute. This is the world body's commitment to the people of Kashmir;
• The resolutions endorsed a binding agreement between India and Pakistan reached through the mediation of UNCIP, that a plebiscite would be held, under agreed and specified conditions.

1. The Security Council has rejected the Indian contention that the people of Kashmir have exercised their right of self-determination by participating in the "election" which India has from time to time organized in the Held Kashmir. The 0.2% turn out during the 1989 "elections" was the most recent clear repudiation of the Indian claim.

2. Pakistan continues to adhere to the UN resolutions. These are binding also on India.

3. The Simla Agreement of 2 July 1972, to which Pakistan also continues to adhere, did not alter the status of Jammu and Kashmir as a disputed territory:

• Para 6 of the Agreement lists “a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir" as one of the outstanding questions awaiting a settlement.

• Para 4 (ii) talks of a "Line of Control" as distinguished from an international border. Furthermore, it explicitly protects "the recognized position of either side." The recognized position of Pakistan is the one, which is recognized by the United Nations and the World Community in general.

• Article 1(iv) obviously refers to the Kashmir issue when it talks of "the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedeviled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 year.

The government of Pakistan and Government of India are resolved that the two countries put an end to the conflict and confrontation that have hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of durable peace in the subcontinent, so the both countries may henceforth devote their resources and energies to the pressing task of advancing the welfare of their people.
Here is what the world sees it as: https://www.worldbulletin.net/inter...-oldest-dispute-at-the-un-agenda-h146986.html

UN in 2018: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ful-killings-in-kashmir-in-first-ever-report/

While being narrow in scope, the report is reflexive in understanding its limitations, mindful of the complex history and the diverse communities of the region, and perhaps most importantly, shatters the myth of India’s presumed territorial integrity by maintaining that Kashmir is a ‘disputed territory’. The statistics and incidents cited are not surprising, having been identified by independent activists and journalists for years, but their reiteration by an international body like the Office of the High Commissioner nonetheless constitutes an important step towards breaking the stagnation in international media and academia regarding Kashmir. The report, its acknowledgement of the right of the Kashmiris to self- determination, and its call for an independent commission to further investigate human rights abuses through on-site investigation represent major steps in dismantling the culture of silence generated by India regarding the situation in Kashmir. It is not simply an acknowledgement (long overdue) of the grief and violence Kashmiris have been and continue to be subjected to, but also an acknowledgement of them as political subjects with a right to decide their own political future.

In 2018: http://ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/lets-talk-...lic-significance-of-the-un-report-on-kashmir/

Does UN says anything about using CHILD SOLDIERS by armed struggle groups in a conflict?

 

[Dubious]

As I said, we don't care what UN says

Yet you were trying to convince me that from a 2010 report from india?:

Tell me why Kashmir removed from list of disputed territories.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jammu-and-kashmir-removed-from-list-of-disputes-under-un-439267

It's our sovereign territory

It is not!

@Dubious Football playing kids.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/18-h...-army-and-14-year-old-freedom-fighter.590882/
The kind of duplicity on PDF.

This shows you are trolling

On one hand, you lot celebrate the killing of soldiers by "Children", then cry foul when the same kids are killed.
What kind of twisted set of logic is this?

There was no cheering but moral support for freedom fighters against immoral shameless soldiers killing children

Does UN says anything about using CHILD SOLDIERS by armed struggle groups in a conflict?

So far only india has been maligning said "internal part" with such reports! Freedom fighting is a different story! indian govt cant seem to handle it and kills! Which is wrong! india has been repeatedly told to :

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/14/india-act-un-rights-report-kashmir

Does UN says anything about using CHILD SOLDIERS by armed struggle groups in a conflict?

Allow the independent inquiry: https://www.dw.com/en/un-calls-for-kashmir-inquiry-into-alleged-human-rights-abuses/a-44214333 if your claim is true that indian soldiers did nothing wrong!

 

[Osiris]

Hypocrisy at it's best. Hating Kashmiri people is in your dirty blood, then you question why they hate you back when you mass murder, handicap and rape them

Telling Indians that we hate Kashmiris, is equivalent to tell Pakistanis that they hate Pathans.

Kashmiris are our kids, our brothers, our countrymen, but there is no mercy of people, who pick up guns against the state, there never will be.

Just like how, you did not show any mercy towards Pashtuns, who were attacking your state, may that be TTP or Jamat etc.

 

[ranjeet]

Allow the independent inquiry: https://www.dw.com/en/un-calls-for-kashmir-inquiry-into-alleged-human-rights-abuses/a-44214333 if your claim is true that indian soldiers did nothing wrong!

That's fine, India is bad and you condemning it is also legit. But do you support freedom fighters using CHILD SOLIDERS.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Telling Indians that we hate Kashmiris, is equivalent to tell Pakistanis that they hate Pathans.

Kashmiris are our kids, our brothers, our countrymen, but there is no mercy of people, who pick up guns against the state, there never will be.

Just like, how you did not show any mercy towards Pashtuns, who were attacking your state, may that be TTP or Jamat etc.

Kashmiris want nothing to do with you rapists. Is that not clear yet?

That's fine, India is bad and you condemning it is also legit. But do you support freedom fighters using CHILD SOLIDERS.

You faggots regularly murder Kashmiri youth. What did you expect? For them to go to the chopping block without resisting?

 

[Maxpane]

RIP

 

[Osiris]

Kashmiris want nothing to do with you rapists. Is that not clear yet?



You faggots regularly murder Kashmiri youth. What did you expect? For them to go to the chopping block without resisting?

You are no one tell us, of what people of Jammu and Kashmir want from us or not.

 

[Didact]

That's fine, India is bad and you condemning it is also legit. But do you support freedom fighters using CHILD SOLIDERS.

Something that happens when you run out of men to fight for you. Reminds me of the SS hitlerjugend and volkssturm formations at the dire end of WW2. Kashmir may be beginning to run out of men willing and able to fight. A good enough victory for us for now.

 

[Dubious]

That's fine, India is bad and you condemning it is also legit. But do you support freedom fighters using CHILD SOLIDERS.

No, but if say China comes and takes over your neighbourhood, dont you think kids will fight back? It is common in oppressed region!

 

[LASER1]

Here is something from 2015: https://www.dawn.com/news/1217447

"Pakistan on Tuesday firmly rejected an Indian claim to Kashmir as an “integral part” of India."
I have read that, just comments made by some xyz Pak minister. When was the last time UNSC discuss Kashmir issue?
Good you quoted Shimla agreement, with the same Shimla agreement, any third party intervention in the issue is not possible. Because the issue will be solved bilaterally. Carefully read the wording, there is no clause which agrees on Jammu and Kashmir and AJK, GB as disputed, rather it simply says any differences will be resolved through negotiations.

1. That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them. Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organisation, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations.

As for the comments of UNHRC, we know the clown who headed UNHRC had his own interest, my sympathies for the lost opportunity since his term ended. Now try your luck for such a cooked comment.

This shows you are trolling

What's the troll comment, you are the one who said they are football playing kids.

There was no cheering but moral support for freedom fighters against immoral shameless soldiers killing children

Yeah, moral support for killing. Please go through the comments on the thread. It's simply unbecoming of a defense forum.

Dear @LASER

Did I or did I not tell you to stick to bragging about beating Indians in the US (in imagination ofcourse)?
Jog on boi. Not interested in your hoopla.

 

[Didact]

No, but if say China comes and takes over your neighbourhood, dont you think kids will fight back? It is common in oppressed region!

Fair enough if thats what they feel. I respect that. We respect that. However once you pick up the gun, it doesnt matter who or what you are, it is necessary that you die. As long as the kids understand this and the consequences, they are free to do as they deem. Regrettable, yes, but their choice and the concomitant consequences. We only respond.