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There is a difference however your ego will not let you swallow it....you only managed to get whatever you have because we were not there...once we entered the theater all you have achieved is losses and of much higher magnitude.....and i agree it is not the topic of the thread....

I have no ego. I have no lies to defend. I am not here to defend a brutal occupation of Kashmir. I know history very well. I know that the statement "you only managed to get whatever you have because we were not there" is a lie. My job is very easy.

Save face from what and from whom?? In international domain Kashmir scripts is being played exactly the way we want...no?? What Pakistan says/or feels we don't care....and free or not is an important aspect....that is the only reason scum bags like Hurriyat are still alive.....

To face save your occupation. To cover the Pakistani flags in Srinagar your media came with these fake videos and lies. It is all very easy to understand. Hopefully you would understand it now. The motive of Indian media with those doctored videos about AJK and GB was very clear. :)
 
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I have no ego. I have no lies to defend. I am not here to defend a brutal occupation of Kashmir. I know history very well. I know that the statement "you only managed to get whatever you have because we were not there" is a lie. My job is very easy.
You can say whatever....lie not lie...easy or difficult job....nothing will change reality...

To face save your occupation. To cover the Pakistani flags in Srinagar your media came with these fake videos and lies. It is all very easy to understand. Hopefully you would understand it now. The motive of Indian media with those doctored videos about AJK and GB was very clear. :)
Again...try hard....face save from whom?? Pakistan?? International community is towing the line we want them to...who is left to face save anything from?? Also that is the reason i brought the point of free vs occupied...Free places allow decent unlike places like AJK....just because name is Ajad it is not equivalent to freedom :D
 
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I will give you some facts to chew upon.
60,000 terrorists killed till date, most of them Punjabi Pakistanis, and most of them killed while crossing the borders, not counting for those enlisted men, who were sent disguised as militants. Entire endeavour spanned over a period of 60 years, with four wars and half a country lost in the process. The loss in terms of lives alone makes it comparable with some of the biggest military operation, not considering loss of half the country.
And yet, not a single inch of soil has been gained, but lost quite a handful. Now, if that is not the single biggest failure in the modern history of mankind, then what is ?


boring....

92,000 inoccent Kashmiris killed by the occupation forces (hijras) since 1989 alone! No wonder india refuses international media to report there

As for territory gained - dont forget Point5353 and dont forget that it's not just about Pakistan - majority Kashmiris despise indian presence (7 lakh troops + LEAs given free hand thanks to draconian AFSPA put in place)

India accounts for 40 % of the world's poor (more than in the whole of Africa) and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. India ranks way down at 96 among 119 developing countries included in the Global Hunger Index (GHI). Ref: IFPRI Country Report on India

Sort out your own internal fissues - sooner you accept reality and stop being in delusions about Kashmir being part of india - healthier and better fed you will be
 
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Would you like some indian democracy with that?
 
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92,000 inoccent Kashmiris killed by the occupation forces (hijras) since 1989 alone! No wonder india refuses international media to report there

Even after a year, it is difficult to gauge the success of Zarb-e-Azb, largely because figures provided to the public come from only one source, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) of the Pakistani Army. There is no other reliable source of facts, and no independent media organization was allowed to embed with the army units fighting the Islamist militants in North Waziristan during the whole past year (aside from occasional tours organized by ISPR for select groups of journalists to show destroyed militant hideouts and captured weapons).
The Successes and Failures of Pakistan’s Operation Zarb-e-Azb | The Jamestown Foundation

Seems like saviour of World are also towing similar line....however not sure why??

As for territory gained - dont forget Point5353 and dont forget that it's not just about Pakistan - majority Kashmiris despise indian presence (7 lakh troops + LEAs given free hand thanks to draconian AFSPA put in place)
Of-course how can i forget Point 5353...:laugh:...regarding Majority Kashmiris...are you calculating Pakistanis living in P-O-K as well?? because on our side there are issues and people are unhappy with GOI....and why shouldn't they be?? Today's youth want jobs and prosperity which GOI has failed to provide...However painting Majority of Kashmiri's in the same brush is a propaganda that suits your case but not reality.... Nevertheless we won't mind you keep thinking that way...History is there when you have assumed similar stuff but always got disappointment...

India accounts for 40 % of the world's poor (more than in the whole of Africa) and its fiscal deficit is one of the highest in the world. India ranks way down at 96 among 119 developing countries included in the Global Hunger Index (GHI). Ref: IFPRI Country Report on India

Sort out your own internal fissues - sooner you accept reality and stop being in delusions about Kashmir being part of india - healthier and better fed you will be
Rest of the post is mere garbage so keep living in your lala land....
 
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You can say whatever....lie not lie...easy or difficult job....nothing will change reality...

And the reality is that 36% of "atoot ang" is already free with other under Indian occupation following the same.

Again...try hard....face save from whom?? Pakistan?? International community is towing the line we want them to...who is left to face save anything from?? Also that is the reason i brought the point of free vs occupied...Free places allow decent unlike places like AJK....just because name is Ajad it is not equivalent to freedom :D

To cover the guilt of Kashmiris raising love and support for Pakistan. To cover the shame when Kashmiris humiliate and disrespect everything Indian whether it is your national anthem or your flag. To have something to counter for those dozens of videos where Kashmiris are openly chanting "Pakistan Zindabadd" and "Bharati kutton wapis jao". Obviously they needed something similar from AJK but when couldn't find it come with fake doctored videos. They have a billion plus fools to cater to. And for that nothing is better than fake videos.

But the way azad word means that it is azad from Indian occupation. Indians due to poor IQ think that it means that it is separate country. Funny right? What idiots we Pakistanis have to face on this forum and other websites. :lol:

And AJK is very decent place. no curfews, no internet shutdown, no unmarked graves, no r@pes by security forces, no fake encounters. Some hallmarks of decency in countries like India. :)
 
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And the reality is that 36% of "atoot ang" is already free with other under Indian occupation following the same.
I have already explained that...we were not there...thereafter it has boomeranged on you...hasn't it??:-):-)

To cover the guilt of Kashmiris raising love and support for Pakistan. To cover the shame when Kashmiris humiliate and disrespect everything Indian whether it is your national anthem or your flag. To have something to counter for those dozens of videos where Kashmiris are openly chanting "Pakistan Zindabadd" and "Bharati kutton wapis jao". Obviously they needed something similar from AJK but when couldn't find it come with fake doctored videos. They have a billion plus fools to cater to. And for that nothing is better than fake videos.
?? Are you even getting the question or just typing what you want to?? All that you have highlighted which is nothing but a figment of your imagination by attributing actions of few with Majority and not even realizing that all is this reported by the India Media....which indicates how freed Kashmir is...whereas less we talk about P-O-K the better it is....

But the way azad word means that it is azad from Indian occupation. Indians due to poor IQ think that it means that it is separate country. Funny right? What idiots we Pakistanis have to face on this forum and other websites. :lol:
:lol: ....I know lot of well informed and decent guys from across the border so wont stoop to your level...Actually it would an insult to my intellect....Anyways i hope high IQ posters like you can try one more time...We need to save face from whom?? International community is repeating like a Parrot of what we think the situation is in Kashmir....Let me help you...What Pakistani's think is of no relevance....and same is for scum bags which unfortunately for you are a Brute MINORITY....and irrespective can't change an inch on ground....That is the harsh reality...like it or not...

And AJK is very decent place. no curfews, no internet shutdown, no unmarked graves, no r@pes by security forces, no fake encounters. Some hallmarks of decency in countries like India. :)
Had it been actually Azad we would have knows...what is the status there....but alas you can help a blind but cant who is pretending to be....
 
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I have already explained that...we were not there...thereafter it has boomeranged on you...hasn't it??:-):-)

And I have already explained that your story that we weren't present is nothing but a lie. So nothing boomeranged for us.

Are you even getting the question or just typing what you want to?? All that you have highlighted which is nothing but a figment of your imagination by attributing actions of few with Majority and not even realizing that all is this reported by the India Media....which indicates how freed Kashmir is...

Don't you think you are too dumb and lame to satisfy a Pakistan? Like I know you are defending an indefensible but still your arguments are way too much lame. If all what I have written would be figment of my imagination then this thread wouldn't have existed. Some funny concept of freedom you guys have back in your country. Freedom while curfews, internet shutdown? Freedom while caging whole population into an open air prison? Who are you fooling except yourself? Indian media or not, the tyranny of state of India on Kashmir is reported by international media every now and then despite Indian state has stopped several neutral journalists to hide its crimes in Indian occupied Kashmir.

whereas less we talk about P-O-K the better it is....

Yeah no deaths. No curfews. No ban on internet even for a single day. Not even a single person to raise Indian flag in Muzaffarabad. No open air prison on 14th August like IOK is on 15th August. You would surely don't want to talk about it. Makes sense. :lol:

We need to save face from whom??

Already explained dear. n point of repeating it again and again.

International community is repeating like a Parrot of what we think the situation is in Kashmir

Well that again is delusion of a bharati who wants to defend occupation of Kashmir by its country. Again not true.

Had it been actually Azad we would have knows...what is the status there....but alas you can help a blind but cant who is pretending to be....

We live in a global village. If things would have been that bad in AJK and Gb which Indians think in their lalaland then there would have been something more credible than a doctored video to prove that. However since condition in AJK and GB is comfortably 100% better than situation prevailing in IOK so crimes that are an everyday affair in IOK don't happen in AJK and GB and hence are obviously not reported too.

I can also think Modi is gay since he ran away from his wife and abandoned her but it is not reported in media since he hides it from everyone and that is why there is no report of it in media. But obviously that would be stupid. Just like an Indian thinking that there are no reports of serious human rights violations in AJK since it is allegedly closed to outside world.
 
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And I have already explained that your story that we weren't present is nothing but a lie. So nothing boomeranged for us.
It is not a lie...and boomerang is repurcurssions later on ....Now if you say loosing half a country is no big deal.....then all i can say is that it is a perfect example of Big Heart display :lol:....Every time you have banked on kashmiri's from 65 to kargil they have abaondoned you...and yet all you guys see is Pakistani flags all over and Kashmiri's jumping up and down... Anyways not my problem...so carry on!!

Don't you think you are too dumb and lame to satisfy a Pakistan? Like I know you are defending an indefensible but still your arguments are way too much lame. If all what I have written would be figment of my imagination then this thread wouldn't have existed. Some funny concept of freedom you guys have back in your country. Freedom while curfews, internet shutdown? Freedom while caging whole population into an open air prison? Who are you fooling except yourself? .

Man you are exibiting even a basic comprehensive inability however have the courage to call others dumb :lol:...Let me repeat once again...All that you are mentioning above is reported in our national media...what does that mean?? that means we don't need to hide any of that from anyone....Apart from that curfew/internet shutdown etc in not equivalent to suppression of freedom...These are simple tools to keep frindge elements from creating troubles...Let me share one example

Internet Services to Remain Suspended During Ashura: TV Reports :

Indian media or not, the tyranny of state of India on Kashmir is reported by international media every now and then despite Indian state has stopped several neutral journalists to hide its crimes in Indian occupied Kashmir.
Now this is lame and dumb...Do you even read before you type...Let me ask you...Have you allowed neutral media in Operation Zarb-e-Azb to independently verify claims or see how human rights are being violated there??

Yeah no deaths. No curfews. No ban on internet even for a single day. Not even a single person to raise Indian flag in Muzaffarabad. No open air prison on 14th August like IOK is on 15th August. You would surely don't want to talk about it. Makes sense. :lol:Already explained dear. n point of repeating it again and again.Well that again is delusion of a bharati who wants to defend occupation of Kashmir by its country. Again not true.
I am loosing you now....Are you trying to prove me that there are people in Kashmir who are not happy with India?? You used to be better than this....where is the denial here?? Check the posts...."What Pakistan or few scum bags in Kashmir thinks doesn't matter"...i have been quoting this all over...

We live in a global village. If things would have been that bad in AJK and Gb which Indians think in their lalaland then there would have been something more credible than a doctored video to prove that. However since condition in AJK and GB is comfortably 100% better than situation prevailing in IOK so crimes that are an everyday affair in IOK don't happen in AJK and GB and hence are obviously not reported too. I can also think Modi is gay since he ran away from his wife and abandoned her but it is not reported in media since he hides it from everyone and that is why there is no report of it in media. But obviously that would be stupid. Just like an Indian thinking that there are no reports of serious human rights violations in AJK since it is allegedly closed to outside world.

Whatever floats your boats...however one basic difference between two sides is we are not sending paid missionaries across the border...
 
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dont count chickens before they are hatched. It has been 60 years of counting already with not an inch of soil gained.

Correct India didn't have that. Meanwhile in Pakistan
Pakistan seabed territory grows by 50,000 square kilometers
Pakistan seabed territory grows by 50,000 square kilometres - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

The title is wrong, the guys who are paid by Pakistan are under lock down because these thugs will make the law and order situation worse.

They are fighting ideological and propaganda war with India, and they have intensified it now a days.
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Even after a year, it is difficult to gauge the success of Zarb-e-Azb, largely because figures provided to the public come from only one source, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) of the Pakistani Army. There is no other reliable source of facts, and no independent media organization was allowed to embed with the army units fighting the Islamist militants in North Waziristan during the whole past year (aside from occasional tours organized by ISPR for select groups of journalists to show destroyed militant hideouts and captured weapons).
The Successes and Failures of Pakistan’s Operation Zarb-e-Azb | The Jamestown Foundation

Seems like saviour of World are also towing similar line....however not sure why??


Of-course how can i forget Point 5353...:laugh:...regarding Majority Kashmiris...are you calculating Pakistanis living in P-O-K as well?? because on our side there are issues and people are unhappy with GOI....and why shouldn't they be?? Today's youth want jobs and prosperity which GOI has failed to provide...However painting Majority of Kashmiri's in the same brush is a propaganda that suits your case but not reality.... Nevertheless we won't mind you keep thinking that way...History is there when you have assumed similar stuff but always got disappointment...


Rest of the post is mere garbage so keep living in your lala land....

If some foundation is reliable to you then try this and it is also reliable to you
Democracy is Hampering India's Progress - Group Discussion
 
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If some foundation is reliable to you then try this and it is also reliable to you
Democracy is Hampering India's Progress - Group Discussion
Probably you did not pay attention to the quote that i picked from that...right??...anyways let me ask you direct...is neutral media(not sure what the heck it even means but i guess International media) is free to embed with Army and report Operation Zaeb-e-Azb?? and let me also tell you...this is a correct move by PA...because whenever Army moves out of barracks there will always be gross human rights violations....Take any example for anywhere in the world....PA or IA are not some god send people that their operations are going to be way different..."Collateral Damage" term is invented to cover this aspect....Also there is no freaking thing called free media these days...and negative propaganda is the last thing soldiers need...

Secondly the link that you have shared is not far from reality...Democracy indeed slows down the progress...that is the flip side of democracy..however when you weigh it with the pros it brings then this system is far better than any other system out there...

One more suggestion - Always shoot the message not messenger...
 
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It is not a lie

It is a lie. I have already provided keywords on the first page for further research to find out the reality behind this very famous Indian lie. Looks like due to butt hurt and heart burn you are not interested in further researching about them. Indians often run to 1971 to cure the burn that is caused to them when people laugh and dismiss their lies of "we won all wars with Pakistan". You did the same. Big hearts. Don't know. But heart burns definitely yes. :)

Man you are exibiting even a basic comprehensive inability however have the courage to call others dumb

Questioning my comprehension ability looks so stupid since in coming lines you come with a very weak and poor analogy. Like the example and comparison you have made is even dumber than calling Kashmir integral part of India. :lol:

Let me repeat once again...All that you are mentioning above is reported in our national media...what does that mean?? that means we don't need to hide any of that from anyone.

Only thing this proves is that situation in Kashmir is so bad and against India that even hyper nationalist Indian media has no choice to report the truth even though it is done in bits and pieces. That however doesn't mean that Indian media has accepted the hard facts and reality of Kashmir completely. They propagate fake videos about AJK to defend the sh!t happening inside IOK. This report is no proof of freedom inside india.

Apart from that curfew/internet shutdown etc in not equivalent to suppression of freedom...These are simple tools to keep frindge elements from creating troubles

Fringe elements like people of Kashmir? :D

Because they are the only individuals who you want to control with such tyrannic measures. To stop them from managing and holding protests against Indian rule. It is an action against civilians of Kashmir and not some militant organization.

Let me share one example

And this is the dumb example I was talking about in above paragraphs. You are comparing apples and oranges. We impose such curbs to avoid any terrorist blowing himself in processions of Shia Pakistanis. Read the keyword. TERRORIST. To avoid terrorists from using internet and mobile services to kill innocent Pakistan. While in India's case this ban is imposed to curb civilians and youth of Kashmir so that they can hold protests against Indian rule. See. that is the difference. We don't impose ban on 14th August to stop anyone from holding any protest against state of Pakistan like it is in your case.

Have you allowed neutral media in Operation Zarb-e-Azb to independently verify claims or see how human rights are being violated there??

And the question is YES. Not only journalists but diplomats have traveled to that region to check the situation after the operation. Unlike India who was fighting a low "hit and run" insurgency Pakistan's record in human rights is far better and clean who was actually fighting hardcore terrorists who were holding and ruling territories to attack Pakistani state and people. One reason behind this is that Pk army was fighting in its own country while Indian army is fighting in a foreign land occupying and crushing people who are stranger to them. :)

I am loosing you now....Are you trying to prove me that there are people in Kashmir who are not happy with India?? You used to be better than this....where is the denial here?? Check the posts...."What Pakistan or few scum bags in Kashmir thinks doesn't matter"...i have been quoting this all over...

You can quote it again and again. Your thinking about Pakistan or scumbags aka Kashmiri people for you in this case also doesn't matter. I am not even trying to prove anything to you. I don't need to. I said much earlier that Kashmir is a lost cause for India. People of that unfortunate region are against their occupiers from New Delhi. which works very well for us. I am just enjoying the lame as$ excuses you Indians come up with to defend the indefensible. And I am just answering those excuses. Whatever I wanted to prove, I have proven it in the very first post. :lol:

Whatever floats your boats...however one basic difference between two sides is we are not sending paid missionaries across the border...

Might be first time you have said something that is true. Yeah you are not sending any "paid missionary" or "paid mercenary" as it was the term you were looking for. Not at least in AJK and GB. Can't say the same for other parts of Pakistan though. And the reason that you are not sending any paid mercenary in AJK and GB is that you can't. You simply can't send them since there is no local support for such elements in AJK and GB. You know people who form the majority in Azad Kashmir Regiment and Northern Light Infantry Regiment won't support any such terrorists. You also know that and hence don't send them in AJK and GB "at least". :)
 
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Boy the size of your message simply shows you are getting hyped up and accusing me of being butt hurt :lol:... i am loving it....On a serious note let's not loose the context as well..try and reply back with pin-pointed questions/replies....

It is a lie. I have already provided keywords on the first page for further research to find out the reality behind this very famous Indian lie. Looks like due to butt hurt and heart burn you are not interested in further researching about them. Indians often run to 1971 to cure the burn that is caused to them when people laugh and dismiss their lies of "we won all wars with Pakistan". You did the same. Big hearts. Don't know. But heart burns definitely yes. :)
:lol: ..... where did i claim that?? I only said after 47-48 gains your kashmir policy has boomeranged on you...and yes 71 is a glaring example...what is there to run from here?? It is a fact simple....Alright let's do this...List me the gains viz-a-viz territory vs any losses that you may have suffer...give it a shot and perhaps you will get what boomeranged means...

Questioning my comprehension ability looks so stupid since in coming lines you come with a very weak and poor analogy. Like the example and comparison you have made is even dumber than calling Kashmir integral part of India. :lol: Only thing this proves is that situation in Kashmir is so bad and against India that even hyper nationalist Indian media has no choice to report the truth even though it is done in bits and pieces. That however doesn't mean that Indian media has accepted the hard facts and reality of Kashmir completely. They propagate fake videos about AJK to defend the sh!t happening inside IOK. This report is no proof of freedom inside india.
On one hand you say hyper nationalistic and on same token you say they are forced to report because situation is this bad...you are not even making any sense now...A hyper nationalistic media will not give two hoots about anything but national interests...simple...I will repeat again...There is nothing to hide because no-one can change the status quo here...A bitter fact and hard to swallow..but alas truth!! Though now i am wondering what is being fed to you guys....Anyways let me do a futile attempt...
Tourism Boom in Kashmir - WSJ
Now can your claim and above goes hand in hand??

Fringe elements like people of Kashmir? :D ...Because they are the only individuals who you want to control with such tyrannic measures. To stop them from managing and holding protests against Indian rule. It is an action against civilians of Kashmir and not some militant organization. And this is the dumb example I was talking about in above paragraphs. You are comparing apples and oranges. We impose such curbs to avoid any terrorist blowing himself in processions of Shia Pakistanis. Read the keyword. TERRORIST. To avoid terrorists from using internet and mobile services to kill innocent Pakistan. While in India's case this ban is imposed to curb civilians and youth of Kashmir so that they can hold protests against Indian rule. See. that is the difference. We don't impose ban on 14th August to stop anyone from holding any protest against state of Pakistan like it is in your case.

So you do it because you want to stop terrorist and we do it because we are tyrants...right?? :lol: ....Anyways i don't expect you to apply your brain here and crack a simple thing - Internet bans or curfews are imposed to stop situation getting out of control...this is not an indicator that the place is not free...We do it on 14th August...15th August or for that matter any day of the year...the idea and logic for fringe elements to expolit the situation will not change...

And the question is YES. Not only journalists but diplomats have traveled to that region to check the situation after the operation. Unlike India who was fighting a low "hit and run" insurgency Pakistan's record in human rights is far better and clean who was actually fighting hardcore terrorists who were holding and ruling territories to attack Pakistani state and people. One reason behind this is that Pk army was fighting in its own country while Indian army is fighting in a foreign land occupying and crushing people who are stranger to them. :)

Atleast read before shamelessly replying back..."independently verify claims" is the key there...Taking someone to a place after operation vs independent research are two different things...regarding your comment on whose human rights record is better then please quote some "Neutral Source" suggesting that...and then we can talk...

You can quote it again and again. Your thinking about Pakistan or scumbags aka Kashmiri people for you in this case also doesn't matter. I am not even trying to prove anything to you. I don't need to. I said much earlier that Kashmir is a lost cause for India. People of that unfortunate region are against their occupiers from New Delhi. which works very well for us. I am just enjoying the lame as$ excuses you Indians come up with to defend the indefensible. And I am just answering those excuses. Whatever I wanted to prove, I have proven it in the very first post. :lol:
Talk about self obsession :lol:....

Might be first time you have said something that is true. Yeah you are not sending any "paid missionary" or "paid mercenary" as it was the term you were looking for. Not at least in AJK and GB. Can't say the same for other parts of Pakistan though. And the reason that you are not sending any paid mercenary in AJK and GB is that you can't. You simply can't send them since there is no local support for such elements in AJK and GB. You know people who form the majority in Azad Kashmir Regiment and Northern Light Infantry Regiment won't support any such terrorists. You also know that and hence don't send them in AJK and GB "at least". :)

First thanks for correcting me...Yes i meant Paid Mercenary ...and for rest of the reply :lol: ......

Look we both are repeating our points now...so let me put a pause here...unless and until you have some replies for the questions i raised or some specifc questions for me..consider this as my last reply....
 
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