Kamran Khan Reveals list of weapons Pakistan buying from Russsia

[Gryphon]

There were many reports which said Pakistan is looking to buy Russian SAMs. Pantsir S1, Tor M2KM and Buk M2 (likely the wheeled EK variant) were offered in late 2014.

 

[fatman17]

20~Mi35
RD93
Talks of Sukhoi and Yak130

old rumors nothing substantive.

There were many reports which said Pakistan is looking to buy Russian SAMs. Pantsir S1, Tor M2KM and Buk M2 (likely the wheeled EK variant) were offered in late 2014.

this is what Pakistan desires, whether it is able to get them is another story. Putin approvals are required which are not forthcoming as of now.

 

[Gryphon]

Putin approvals are required which are not forthcoming as of now.

If he can allow sale of (a few) Mi-35 attack helicopters and reject Indian bitching on joint exercises, he certainly will approve sale of SAMs like Buk M2EK to Pakistan. This SAM system was offered by a Russian delegation at IDEAS 2014. They wouldn't do so if they were sure Putin will not allow such a sale.

 

[Army research]

If he can allow sale of (a few) Mi-35 attack helicopters and reject Indian bitching on joint exercises, he certainly will approve sale of SAMs like Buk M2EK to Pakistan. This SAM system was offered by a Russian delegation at IDEAS 2014. They wouldn't do so if they were sure Putin will not allow such a sale.

I agree certainly Putin will allow air 'defence' platforms to protect the integrity of Pakistan

 

[Gryphon]

I agree certainly Putin will allow air 'defence' platforms to protect the integrity of Pakistan

He will allow Sukhoi Su-35 deal also, provided Pakistan has $$$ ready.

 

[Neutron-Zone]

When a two seater JF-17 could very well fill that role, then why a Yak-130? Or is this a smoke screen?

YAK-130 may be a good trainer or Light Fighter but JF-17B is designed to perform the same role. These are just rumors. There is possibility of Su-35 but For YAK I will say it is waste of money.

 

[CHI RULES]

Russia is developing another single engine 5th Generation Fighter Jet. A source is telling us Russia is looking for partners and we have given positive response

Russia facing serious problems in case of AESA radars and stealth tech, the projects like Pak FA/T50 already taking longer time, considering facts the only options Pak have abt 5th gen fighters are Chinese or Turkish ones.

YAK-130 may be a good trainer or Light Fighter but JF-17B is designed to perform the same role. These are just rumors. There is possibility of Su-35 but For YAK I will say it is waste of money.

Yak 130 may be used as trainer for 5th gen jets, we require trainers in numbers so not a waste of money, JF17B is more of export oriented rather than for domestic requirements.

 

[ali_raza]

pakistan media usually know nothing about defence matters they are all about creating hoax.su35 was in one time seriously discussed but nothing concrete came out cos of insufficient guarentees by russians more over they wanted to give pakistan a scaled down version and not the full product.pakistan also in one time looked towards EFT then again nothing came out .all in all f16 seems only credible and viable option.btw rafael bring nothing new to the table other than aesa and mateor.wich can be dealt with having new blocks of thunders.at the end of the day we are defensive not offensive

 

[Gryphon]

pakistan media usually know nothing about defence matters they are all about creating hoax.su35 was in one time seriously discussed but nothing concrete came out cos of insufficient guarentees by russians more over they wanted to give pakistan a scaled down version and not the full product.pakistan also in one time looked towards EFT then again nothing came out .all in all f16 seems only credible and viable option.btw rafael bring nothing new to the table other than aesa and mateor.wich can be dealt with having new blocks of thunders.at the end of the day we are defensive not offensive

Stop posting BS here. Rafale is much more capable than F-16 Block 50/52. It has an AESA radar, Meteor BVR (similar to the most advanced PL-15), new EW suite, ability to carry nukes as well as cruise missiles.

JF-17 Block 3 will NOT be able to counter Rafale. PAF will go for Russian (Sukhoi Su-35) or Chinese (J-11) option. There is no news which says Russia offered less advanced Su-35 version to Pakistan.

If PAF goes for Su-35, it will be an aircraft as capable as Su-35S

If PAF decides to wait & buy Chinese, nothing less than J-11D will be purchased (with PL-15 AAM).

 

[Basel]

Kamran Khan is probably just speaking to current news. The RD-93 news is well known. The 20 Mi-35 bit was floated by Jane's last year. The Yak-130 stuff came in passing in some media outlets. The Su-35 - or Russian fighter aircraft generally - is something our DGDP reportedly said we had asked for, but Russia has yet to respond.

Yak-130 can be possible because PAF have used 2 jets FT-5 subsonic & FT-6/FT-7 supersonic for OCU/FCU so technically Yak-130 subsonic and JFT-B supersonic can be used side by side, also Yak-130 is dual engine and can be programmed for 5th gen fighter training.

If he can allow sale of (a few) Mi-35 attack helicopters and reject Indian bitching on joint exercises, he certainly will approve sale of SAMs like Buk M2EK to Pakistan. This SAM system was offered by a Russian delegation at IDEAS 2014. They wouldn't do so if they were sure Putin will not allow such a sale.

Buk-M3 & S-350E should be looked into along with upcoming Pantsir-SM (2018) all these systems will boost air defence to next level.

 

[araz]

Russia facing serious problems in case of AESA radars and stealth tech, the projects like Pak FA/T50 already taking longer time, considering facts the only options Pak have abt 5th gen fighters are Chinese or Turkish ones.


Yak 130 may be used as trainer for 5th gen jets, we require trainers in numbers so not a waste of money, JF17B is more of export oriented rather than for domestic requirements.

It just does not make sense to waste money on yet another trainer from an unreliable source with all the associated infrastructure build up when you can produce a compatible fighter which can be used in the same role and much more effectively.
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[ali_raza]

Stop posting BS here. Rafale is much more capable than F-16 Block 50/52. It has an AESA radar, Meteor BVR (similar to the most advanced PL-15), new EW suite, ability to carry nukes as well as cruise missiles.

JF-17 Block 3 will NOT be able to counter Rafale. PAF will go for Russian (Sukhoi Su-35) or Chinese (J-11) option. There is no news which says Russia offered less advanced Su-35 version to Pakistan.

If PAF goes for Su-35, it will be an aircraft as capable as Su-35S

If PAF decides to wait & buy Chinese, nothing less than J-11D will be purchased (with PL-15 AAM).

this was the reason behind thunder avaionics deal.that meant that if we can get rafael level avionics then its nothing less then the orignal plane.so in that contax i mentioned blk3

 

[Gryphon]

this was the reason behind thunder avaionics deal.that meant that if we can get rafael level avionics then its nothing less then the orignal plane.so in that contax i mentioned blk3

I assume JF-17 Block 3 will have an AESA radar, IRST, IFF and a new BVR like PL-15. But don't expect it to be equivalent to Rafale (France even refused PAF the Damocles targeting pod).

PAF needs a twin-engine, heavy fighter like Su-35 or J-11 to fill the gap besides adding LR-SAMs like HQ-9 to prevent any misadventure of IAF. PAF can't ignore Rafale threat and bet on F-16 Block 50/52.

IMO, a squadron of F-16 Block 60 (or an equivalent F-16) was best for PAF. But, there is 0% chance US will approve such a sale.

 

[ali_raza]

I assume JF-17 Block 3 will have an AESA radar, IRST, IFF and a new BVR like PL-15. But don't expect it to be equivalent to Rafale (France even refused PAF the Damocles targeting pod).

PAF needs a twin-engine, heavy fighter like Su-35 or J-11 to fill the gap besides adding LR-SAMs like HQ-9 to prevent any misadventure of IAF. PAF can't ignore Rafale threat and bet on F-16 Block 50/52.

IMO, a squadron of F-16 Block 60 (or an equivalent F-16) was best for PAF. But, there is 0% chance US will approve such a sale.

no one is saying it will become rafael.but m sure it would be capable enough to keep rafaels in check.what special features does rafael gives that wont be there.
as i said these are time where no one asset is important but net centric warfare.AWACs data links.ground based sams.deception drones.missiles.and many more items will make a package.now u tell me what on earth is soo superior that can deny all these things

I assume JF-17 Block 3 will have an AESA radar, IRST, IFF and a new BVR like PL-15. But don't expect it to be equivalent to Rafale (France even refused PAF the Damocles targeting pod).

PAF needs a twin-engine, heavy fighter like Su-35 or J-11 to fill the gap besides adding LR-SAMs like HQ-9 to prevent any misadventure of IAF. PAF can't ignore Rafale threat and bet on F-16 Block 50/52.

IMO, a squadron of F-16 Block 60 (or an equivalent F-16) was best for PAF. But, there is 0% chance US will approve such a sale.

but u r right we r in need of heavy fighters.we need a punch thats for sure.

 

[SOHEIL]

What will Pakistan do with Yaks, I believe they were developed for the Soviet carriers?