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Jittery Delhi fears Chinese attack by 2012

The coming war between Delhi & Beijing. Things seem to be getting serious. There is unrest in Tibet and Kashgar is aflame. Kashmir is openly in a rebellion and the seven states of Assam are not in the Central control of Delhi. Rupee News has been written several articles about the coming war between Beijing and Delhi. Now Bharat Verma has openly discussed the fears in an article appearing the Indian Defence Weekly. The Peoples Daily has not remained unaffected by the the rising tensions.

Some are afraid that a fresh border dispute between China and India would become the spark plunging the two neighbors again into a ‘partial military action.’ And India seems to have been conspiring to create the picture of an imminent war by deploying 60,000-strong additional troops and four SU-30 fighters along the 650-mile unfenced border with China. By Li Hongmei People’s Daily Online. Veiled threat or good neighbor?

The following nine data points which cause alarm among Beijing and Delhi watchers.

1) The Bharati Army has conducted an exercise called Devine Matrix fighting a war with China.

2) The US reports increased Chinese activity in developing weapons that target Bharat.

3) Recently Delhi moved its latest aircraft to forward Air bases in Tezpur and in Ladakh.

4) The number of intrusions into South Tibet (Bharat calls it Arunchal Pradesh) has quadrupled in the past year.

5) The Chinese are very suspicious of the rioting in Tibet in 2008 and the riots in Zinjiang this year and suspect that the CIA and the RAW had a handin both events.

6) Mr. Bharat Verma, who has tangled with the former DG of the ISI, Retired General Hamid Gul on many occasions has now written an inflammatory article in the Indian Defense Weekly clearly portraying Bharati fears of a Chinese attack on Delhi.

7) “China’s stated objectives, in their White Paper, of developing strategic missile and space-based assets and of rapidly enhancing its blue-water navy to conduct operations in distant waters, as well as the systematic upgrading of infrastructure, reconnaissance and surveillance, quick response and operational capabilities in the border areas, will have an effect on the overall military environment in the neighbourhood of India.” (India wary of Sino-Pak link-up in occupied Kashmir - India - NEWS - The Times of India)

8) China has stationed 30 military divisions in the Arunachal Pradesh area, of which it claims about 90,000 sq. Km of South Tibet.

9) The Bharati Defence ministry’s annual report for 2008-09 tabled in Rajya Sabha recently has indicated that there is increased link up between Pakistan and China via Kashmir – the territory that was won by China in 1962 and given by Pakistan to China as part of the Trans-Karakoram treaty.

Many analysts are trying to understand the Bharti mentality. Li Hongmei People’s Daily sheds some light on the reasons for the rising tensions between the giant neighbors.

As an Indian military official put it, ‘Indians maintain the same national sentiments towards China as the way the Chinese do at the mention of Japan and Japanese,’ many Indians actually have very subtle impression upon China, which has been translated into a very complicated mindset—awe, vexation, envy and jealousy—in the face of its giant neighbor.

The reason for this mentality is multi-faceted, and brought about by both historical factors and reality. In 1947, when India freed itself from the British colonization and won independence, it was one of the global industrial powers, ranking Top 10 in the world and far ahead of the then backward China. But today, China’s GDP has tripled that of India and per capita income doubled, which turns out to be a totally unacceptable fact to many Indians. And with China’s galloping economic growth since its adoption of the reform and opening up policy in late 1970s, the wealth gap between China and India has increasingly widened.

On top of that, some Western powers have been inciting India to challenge China, and even insidiously convince India that China would be the ‘greatest obstacle’ threatening India’s rise. To feed its ambitions, the West has gone so far as to devise ways to extol India as a potentially No.1 democracy in Asia, but meanwhile intentionally play down China’s social and economic progress. By Li Hongmei People’s Daily Online. Veiled threat or good neighbor?

One of the questions being asked in military circles is the reason why all this is being claimed at this crucial juncture. Mumbai hurt Bharti business. This will place Delhi in the same column as Beirut, Baghdad and Kabul. Buinsess and insurance will go up. The short term gains by trying to get a sympathy vote from the US may or may not work.

A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from “unprecedented” internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country. “China will launch an attack on India before 2012. There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing [ Images ] to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century,” Bharat Verma, Editor of the Indian Defence Review, has said.

Vermasaid the recession has “shut the Chinese exports shop”, creating an “unprecedented internal social unrest” which in turn, was severely threatening the grip of the Communists over the society. Among other reasons for this assessment were rising unemployment, flight of capital worth billions of dollars, depletion of its foreign exchange reserves and growing internal dissent, Verma said in an editorial in the forthcoming issue of the premier defence journal. In addition to this, “The growing irrelevance of Pakistan, their right hand that operates against India on their behest, is increasing the Chinese nervousness,” he said, adding that US President Barak Obama’s [ Images ] ****** policy was primarily Pak-Af policy that has “intelligently set the thief to catch the thief”. Rediff News

In the past century the Chinese have walked softly and hidden the Big stick. It has whispered where others have shouted. The leadership in Beiing has bitten its lip on Taiwan and Arunchal Pradesh. It has kept quiet on the boundary line South of Tibet and kept quiet on international issues that it felt strongly about. Now the results are evident for all to see. The pace of Chinese development in the past 60 years is one of the wonders of the world.

Delhi claims that there has been a four-fold increase in Chinese intrusions into Southern Tibet which Beijing considers China. Mr. Verma has published this map about the problems faced by Bharat.



A more accurate depiction of the insurgencies faced by Bharat are as follows:



Read more at the link.
 
@Durran3: Nice, Mayans ftw!!!!!
Chalo at least college kay shashkay laga diye hon gay.

But seriously,I doubt India and China will ever go to war. Too much economic reprisals for it to be feasible.
 
The year the world ends :flame:

World has to end one day and we can't say which day but it won't be 2012 because there are some events which must take place before the dooms day.
Jesus has to come to the earth and before that Imam Mehdi has to be born and before that there is prediction of at least 2 big wars and spread of endemics.
There were more predictions of more early time but those seems to be fulfilled e.g. big buildings, sattelites, communications, aeroplanes, dresses etc. etc...
If you are interested to find the facts search the web. enjoy
 
Jittery Delhi fears Chinese attack by 2012

The coming war between Delhi & Beijing. Things seem to be getting serious. There is unrest in Tibet and Kashgar is aflame. Kashmir is openly in a rebellion and the seven states of Assam are not in the Central control of Delhi. Rupee News has been written several articles about the coming war between Beijing and Delhi. Now Bharat Verma has openly discussed the fears in an article appearing the Indian Defence Weekly. The Peoples Daily has not remained unaffected by the the rising tensions.

Some are afraid that a fresh border dispute between China and India would become the spark plunging the two neighbors again into a ‘partial military action.’ And India seems to have been conspiring to create the picture of an imminent war by deploying 60,000-strong additional troops and four SU-30 fighters along the 650-mile unfenced border with China. By Li Hongmei People’s Daily Online. Veiled threat or good neighbor?

The following nine data points which cause alarm among Beijing and Delhi watchers.

1) The Bharati Army has conducted an exercise called Devine Matrix fighting a war with China.

2) The US reports increased Chinese activity in developing weapons that target Bharat.

3) Recently Delhi moved its latest aircraft to forward Air bases in Tezpur and in Ladakh.

4) The number of intrusions into South Tibet (Bharat calls it Arunchal Pradesh) has quadrupled in the past year.

5) The Chinese are very suspicious of the rioting in Tibet in 2008 and the riots in Zinjiang this year and suspect that the CIA and the RAW had a handin both events.

6) Mr. Bharat Verma, who has tangled with the former DG of the ISI, Retired General Hamid Gul on many occasions has now written an inflammatory article in the Indian Defense Weekly clearly portraying Bharati fears of a Chinese attack on Delhi.

7) “China’s stated objectives, in their White Paper, of developing strategic missile and space-based assets and of rapidly enhancing its blue-water navy to conduct operations in distant waters, as well as the systematic upgrading of infrastructure, reconnaissance and surveillance, quick response and operational capabilities in the border areas, will have an effect on the overall military environment in the neighbourhood of India.” (India wary of Sino-Pak link-up in occupied Kashmir - India - NEWS - The Times of India)

8) China has stationed 30 military divisions in the Arunachal Pradesh area, of which it claims about 90,000 sq. Km of South Tibet.

9) The Bharati Defence ministry’s annual report for 2008-09 tabled in Rajya Sabha recently has indicated that there is increased link up between Pakistan and China via Kashmir – the territory that was won by China in 1962 and given by Pakistan to China as part of the Trans-Karakoram treaty.

Many analysts are trying to understand the Bharti mentality. Li Hongmei People’s Daily sheds some light on the reasons for the rising tensions between the giant neighbors.

As an Indian military official put it, ‘Indians maintain the same national sentiments towards China as the way the Chinese do at the mention of Japan and Japanese,’ many Indians actually have very subtle impression upon China, which has been translated into a very complicated mindset—awe, vexation, envy and jealousy—in the face of its giant neighbor.

The reason for this mentality is multi-faceted, and brought about by both historical factors and reality. In 1947, when India freed itself from the British colonization and won independence, it was one of the global industrial powers, ranking Top 10 in the world and far ahead of the then backward China. But today, China’s GDP has tripled that of India and per capita income doubled, which turns out to be a totally unacceptable fact to many Indians. And with China’s galloping economic growth since its adoption of the reform and opening up policy in late 1970s, the wealth gap between China and India has increasingly widened.

On top of that, some Western powers have been inciting India to challenge China, and even insidiously convince India that China would be the ‘greatest obstacle’ threatening India’s rise. To feed its ambitions, the West has gone so far as to devise ways to extol India as a potentially No.1 democracy in Asia, but meanwhile intentionally play down China’s social and economic progress. By Li Hongmei People’s Daily Online. Veiled threat or good neighbor?

One of the questions being asked in military circles is the reason why all this is being claimed at this crucial juncture. Mumbai hurt Bharti business. This will place Delhi in the same column as Beirut, Baghdad and Kabul. Buinsess and insurance will go up. The short term gains by trying to get a sympathy vote from the US may or may not work.

A leading defence expert has projected that China will attack India by 2012 to divert the attention of its own people from “unprecedented” internal dissent, growing unemployment and financial problems that are threatening the hold of Communists in that country. “China will launch an attack on India before 2012. There are multiple reasons for a desperate Beijing [ Images ] to teach India the final lesson, thereby ensuring Chinese supremacy in Asia in this century,” Bharat Verma, Editor of the Indian Defence Review, has said.

Vermasaid the recession has “shut the Chinese exports shop”, creating an “unprecedented internal social unrest” which in turn, was severely threatening the grip of the Communists over the society. Among other reasons for this assessment were rising unemployment, flight of capital worth billions of dollars, depletion of its foreign exchange reserves and growing internal dissent, Verma said in an editorial in the forthcoming issue of the premier defence journal. In addition to this, “The growing irrelevance of Pakistan, their right hand that operates against India on their behest, is increasing the Chinese nervousness,” he said, adding that US President Barak Obama’s [ Images ] ****** policy was primarily Pak-Af policy that has “intelligently set the thief to catch the thief”. Rediff News

In the past century the Chinese have walked softly and hidden the Big stick. It has whispered where others have shouted. The leadership in Beiing has bitten its lip on Taiwan and Arunchal Pradesh. It has kept quiet on the boundary line South of Tibet and kept quiet on international issues that it felt strongly about. Now the results are evident for all to see. The pace of Chinese development in the past 60 years is one of the wonders of the world.

Delhi claims that there has been a four-fold increase in Chinese intrusions into Southern Tibet which Beijing considers China. Mr. Verma has published this map about the problems faced by Bharat.



A more accurate depiction of the insurgencies faced by Bharat are as follows:



Read more at the link.

Rupee News. Just Fantastic.

Chinese ain't that strong as they are made out on this forum by Pakistani fanboys. They may have a larger army, navy and airforce but they also have larger foes. Russia, Japan, US and India. 80% of their assets are faced eastwards.

In no point of time can Chinese focus of one enemy. In no point in time can they sustain a war against any one of its enemies.

Incase of India, you will be inclined to sight 1962 and say 'Yea, Delhi will take **** load of beating". The reality is lost in the rhetoric. India lost a war with Chinese, but won a major conflict in November 1962. Read up history. And Chinese took India by surprise thanks to 'sleeping' leadership. But they couldnt sustain the surprise. Initial phases of war were against India, as troops were both ill-equipped, low moralled, as well as lacked reinforcements resulting in Chinese sweeping territory. But when IA was jolted, Chinese feared a backlash , and immediately made a unilateral ceasefire.

What Chinese did in 62 was follow the same tactic as in Vietnam War. "A sucker punch and the pull out". The pullout in 62 was because IA would have mobilised enormous resources to strike back. And because Soviet and US were ready to move in to support India. Infact US sent a fleet of Nuke vessels, and was ready to Nuke China.

Misreading the cause of loss, Pakistan thought it could also 'thrash' India and hence the 1965 war took place. But little did they realise that the Indians had learned all the lessons they needed to in 62. Result? Pakistan lost, suffered heavy casualities.

Why did I site this? Never underestimate your enemies. War is not a computer simulation between who has more and who has less. Four hundred troops can take on 2000, as history proves(US 1st Cavalry, Vietnam War).

IA has enough experience from 3 Major War Victories(47,65, 71), 1 Minor war Victory)99(
 
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Neither Chinese nor Indians are stupid so i doubt there is going to be any war.
 
Neither Chinese nor Indians are stupid so i doubt there is going to be any war.

Threat perceptions are at all time high.
China is being teased as we speak and big game is wide open.
it would be stupid for india to esclate its provocative gestures, any further on any assurance.
for indians, it will be a lost war from begining.
 
World has to end one day and we can't say which day but it won't be 2012 because there are some events which must take place before the dooms day.
Jesus has to come to the earth and before that Imam Mehdi has to be born and before that there is prediction of at least 2 big wars and spread of endemics.
There were more predictions of more early time but those seems to be fulfilled e.g. big buildings, sattelites, communications, aeroplanes, dresses etc. etc...
If you are interested to find the facts search the web. enjoy

I was being sarcastic.. i don't think you noticed.. with that being said.. none of what you said is going to happen as well.. life will continue, the earth will survive for millions of years as it has done so in the past and change as it has, support new life as it has, reform as it has.. and thus the circle of life and nature will continue through the power of natural selection like it has over the past 4.5 billion years :)

lets leave it at that ;)

cheers
 
Rupee News. Just Fantastic.

Chinese ain't that strong as they are made out on this forum by Pakistani fanboys. They may have a larger army, navy and airforce but they also have larger foes. Russia, Japan, US and India. 80% of their assets are faced eastwards.

In no point of time can Chinese focus of one enemy. In no point in time can they sustain a war against any one of its enemies.

Incase of India, you will be inclined to sight 1962 and say 'Yea, Delhi will take **** load of beating". The reality is lost in the rhetoric. India lost a war with Chinese, but won a major conflict in November 1962. Read up history. And Chinese took India by surprise thanks to 'sleeping' leadership. But they couldnt sustain the surprise. Initial phases of war were against India, as troops were both ill-equipped, low moralled, as well as lacked reinforcements resulting in Chinese sweeping territory. But when IA was jolted, Chinese feared a backlash , and immediately made a unilateral ceasefire.

What Chinese did in 62 was follow the same tactic as in Vietnam War. "A sucker punch and the pull out". The pullout in 62 was because IA would have mobilised enormous resources to strike back. And because Soviet and US were ready to move in to support India. Infact US sent a fleet of Nuke vessels, and was ready to Nuke China.

Misreading the cause of loss, Pakistan thought it could also 'thrash' India and hence the 1965 war took place. But little did they realise that the Indians had learned all the lessons they needed to in 62. Result? Pakistan lost, suffered heavy casualities.

Why did I site this? Never underestimate your enemies. War is not a computer simulation between who has more and who has less. Four hundred troops can take on 2000, as history proves(US 1st Cavalry, Vietnam War).

IA has enough experience from 3 Major War Victories(47,65, 71), 1 Minor war Victory)99(

still dont believe that china would attack india unless something very major happen, not to draw attention away from the poeple that just dumb, yea let go to war against another nuclear power...
but about 62 i disagree on the reason for pullout, it was more than just us pressure, it was a preemtive stirke even if it was the forward policy that led to it thus the political climate does not warrent going any further, they would not have gain much anways. also you have to understand the mindset of the chinese leadership back then, during korea the us nuclear threat didnt phaze the leadership one bit even though MacArthur threaten to nuke every major city in china and the soviet union wasnt interested in defense china from a us nuclear attack(cause for the chinese nuclear program). and you seriously think you would have piss their pants about a "JOLTED" IA when they were still winning?
 
What Chinese did in 62 was follow the same tactic as in Vietnam War. "A sucker punch and the pull out". The pullout in 62 was because IA would have mobilised enormous resources to strike back. And because Soviet and US were ready to move in to support India. Infact US sent a fleet of Nuke vessels, and was ready to Nuke China.

You dreamer.....the chinese coulsd have invaded india proper and taken over......but as the chinese said why do we want a billion poor people?

Misreading the cause of loss, Pakistan thought it could also 'thrash' India and hence the 1965 war took place. But little did they realise that the Indians had learned all the lessons they needed to in 62. Result? Pakistan lost, suffered heavy casualities.

You tried to attack and got your a$s kicked......just think if pakistan was the size of india we would have wiped you guys out.
You outnumber us in every field and you still cant do nothing against us.

Why did I site this? Never underestimate your enemies. War is not a computer simulation between who has more and who has less. Four hundred troops can take on 2000, as history proves(US 1st Cavalry, Vietnam War).


Or you could give the example of mohameed bin qassam who did the same to your leadership hunderds of years ago.

IA has enough experience from 3 Major War Victories(47,65, 71), 1 Minor war Victory)99(

And you where the first people to reach the moon also:cheesy::cheesy:
 
Rupee News. Just Fantastic.

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Incase of India, you will be inclined to sight 1962 and say 'Yea, Delhi will take **** load of beating". The reality is lost in the rhetoric. India lost a war with Chinese, but won a major conflict in November 1962. Read up history. And Chinese took India by surprise thanks to 'sleeping' leadership. But they couldnt sustain the surprise. Initial phases of war were against India, as troops were both ill-equipped, low moralled, as well as lacked reinforcements resulting in Chinese sweeping territory. But when IA was jolted, Chinese feared a backlash , and immediately made a unilateral ceasefire.

What Chinese did in 62 was follow the same tactic as in Vietnam War. "A sucker punch and the pull out". The pullout in 62 was because IA would have mobilised enormous resources to strike back. And because Soviet and US were ready to move in to support India. Infact US sent a fleet of Nuke vessels, and was ready to Nuke China.........

I agree that Rupee News is not a source to take seriously. But, it is dangerous to reinterpret history; the fact is - as you say it- we lost the war. It does not matter whether the Chinese surprised us, or that we were poorly equipped; the fact is that we lost.

The Chinese pull out, IMO, was also part of their strategy. Chances are they were well aware of their long logistics train and difficulty in fighting a longer war deeper inside Indian terrain. Within the parameters of their limitations they did brilliantly; they came in, they declared victory, they got out.

What we could have done, should have done, might have done are all irrelevant.

We had our a$$es kicked - militarily, politically, strategically. And winning in war means winning all three.

You dreamer.....the chinese coulsd have invaded india proper and taken over......but as the chinese said why do we want a billion poor people?

Really? It might help if you could embellish that statement by providing facts - the number of Chinese military divisions needed, solving the problem of logistics, the issue of traversing terrain in a country that is around 3 million square kilometers in size, not to talk of the maintenance of troops in a hostile population, and the problem of governance.

You tried to attack and got your a$s kicked......

Both the question of who attacked first and who won are debatable, and it is likely a futile debate here.

just think if pakistan was the size of india we would have wiped you guys out.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

Or you could give the example of mohameed bin qassam who did the same to your leadership hunderds of years ago.

It was 'your' leadership as well at the time, in Sindh and Punjab. Unless of course your ancestors came with Quasim.
 

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