Jinnah's Pakistan - Then and Now

[laiqs@mi]

Muse
in every thread when you have no argue then you start twisting words.....
"we need Muslims not islamists"????
is this all you could do????
how could a muslim be separate from Islam???
Islam the path on which Muslim mus walk .......
you want muslims which leave islam and they are called muslims??? strange!!!!!
I was going to quote and Ayah but then ........ because Islam does not mean any thing to liberals...

 

[laiqs@mi]

My nation is Pakistan - your nation, if I had understood you correctly was Arabia, which your father took as his own, since he made more money there - so I understand your sacrifce - Now you claim your nation is Islam, and Abdullah is your Khalifa?? Are kings part of your Islamic nation?

Tariq, - 50 years from now, you still will be kissing arbi behind and you'll still be a "hindi" - now that's a sacrifice, but you gotta have that money - for the sake of islam of course

 

[muse]

I was going to quote and Ayah but then ........ because Islam does not mean any thing to liberals.

Why do you insist on defaming Ayat as tools of your political opinion? Why do you Islamists gain such satisfaction from defaming Islam and Quran, why do you imagine that these ayat are your playthings, that you can use them without understanding their meaning and context -- I'm ashamed of persons such as yourself and your hypocrisy.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Alhumdulillah as i mention in my other post i never had to do chaploosi to anybody, but since u have done those things ( which i even cant write them ) u think everybody has gone thru it no sir u r wrong. Don't tell us about ur life experiences there r ppl who were born in foreign countries and were very outstanding by the grace af almighty, they didnot go what u have gone thru ( u poor person my sympathies with u). and my father was a normal hardworking person didnot make that much money.

I m punjabi and i aknowledge the service of the muslims from the Prophet ( PBUH)'s time till now but some ppl wearing a burqa ( which they r against ) of liberalism and secularism just wanna damage the history of islam.

TARIQ

 

[Zarvan]

I was going to quote and Ayah but then ........ because Islam does not mean any thing to liberals.

Why do you insist on defaming Ayat as tools of your political opinion? Why do you Islamists gain such satisfaction from defaming Islam and Quran, why do you imagine that these ayat are your playthings, that you can use them without understanding their meaning and context -- I'm ashamed of persons such as yourself and your hypocrisy.

We quote ayats because ayats contains laws for politics economy and social life which ALLAH has sent to be established in the world seculars defame them by not quoting them

 

[muse]

tariq

You and your father, gave up on Pakistan, for the money you would make in Arabia - this is your "sacrifice" Please spare us the BS about who and what you are -- tomorrow if there was more money to be made elsewhere, you would show up there - and remember you told me you did not feel the arbi accepted you even after you have tried hard to sound like them and dress and behave like them - well, tariq, that is a sad choice and I feel your pain, you have tried to belong, only to find you are a "hindi".

So now you are a big time muzloum, well you made kiddo - from sher e punjab to a hindi in arabia - hope it was worth it

 

[Zarvan]

tariq

You and your father, gave up on Pakistan, for the money you would make in Arabia - this is your "sacrifice" Please spare us the BS about who and what you are -- tomorrow if there was more money to be made elsewhere, you would show up there - and remember you told me you did not feel the arbi accepted you even after you have tried hard to sound like them and dress and behave like them - well, tariq, that is a sad choice and I feel your pain, you have tried to belong, only to find you are a "hindi".

So now you are a big time muzloum, well you made kiddo - from sher e punjab to a hindi in arabia - hope it was worth it

Arabs and Pakistanis are Muslims therefore we are brothers secondly Islam is not limited to Arabs and Islam will take over soon and those who betrayed it will be taken to Islamic Courts

 

[laiqs@mi]

I was going to quote and Ayah but then ........ because Islam does not mean any thing to liberals.

Why do you insist on defaming Ayat as tools of your political opinion? Why do you Islamists gain such satisfaction from defaming Islam and Quran, why do you imagine that these ayat are your playthings, that you can use them without understanding their meaning and context -- I'm ashamed of persons such as yourself and your hypocrisy.

Ohhhhhh the blessed one!!!!!

its the rule of logic....... when you talk about pakistan history why you quote Quide-e-Azam's quotes???
when a lawyer debate in court he quote things from law.......
how it is possible we talk about muslims and islam and dont quote Quraan.......


only a fool could think like that.

 

[muse]

You are islamists - we are Muslims - for you there is the ideology of Islam-ism - For us Muslims, Quran is a guidance for Faith in God, not a guide to temporal affairs

 

[Zarvan]

You are islamists - we are Muslims - for you there is the ideology of Islam-ism - For us Muslims, Quran is a guidance for Faith in God, not a guide to temporal affairs

Quran is guidance for to follow orders in every aspect of life that is why Quran includes orders for politics economy and Punishments and social life which will be implemented very soon

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Assalam alaikum

Actually i never gave up on pakistan i was born in saudia and lived most of my life outside of pakistan and i m as pakistani as any one of u, and u r wrong again i dont dress like arabs i dress as i please , and u r again wrong alhumdulillah i enjoy much much respect and if u dont believe it i can invite u to famous chat service where u can see arabs and non arabs how they deal with me i told u dont tell us about ur experiences. This is my last response on this issue

STAY ON TOPIC
TARIQ

 

[muse]

Tariq

No need for being defensive - you were born in Arabia, and your father lives there because he has more success there, it's not for the moderate climate is it, and so if you think of yourself as a arbi, fine - it's a free world - but tariq, even in another 500 years, you and yours unless you inter marry with the africanized, you'll still be "Hindi" -- "Bunjabi", no arbia knows of.

 

[ashokdeiva]

Jinha wanted to create a free nation for muslims fearing that the Muslims under United India might not be able to express their views and this idea was not to make a fanatic nation for hard core fundementalist. A lot of people here are saying that Quran teaches politics, etc, etc.. but this was for the setup that was 2000 year old civilization it does not cover science and etc that shape the world today and the future. So Quran has to be emphasised as a guide to God and not more than that. The more people say that Kafirs will be put to the sward the more that you are pusing the people of other faith to hate Islam and its teachings which ultimately results in anarchy and hatered.
So guys feel the freedom that you enjoy in modern era and do not try to impose something on others. The modern man/women is by natures will born with the freedom to do what he/she wishes for the course of life that he is there in the planet.

 

[laiqs@mi]

You are islamists - we are Muslims - for you there is the ideology of Islam-ism - For us Muslims, Quran is a guidance for Faith in God, not a guide to temporal affairs

ghow could you satisfy yourself that I trust in ALLAH but dont follow the orders of ALLAH . because these are comming from a mullah. even you people disagree Quran and Hadith.
and now you will tell us the difference between Muslim and Islam ........lolz

---------- Post added at 12:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:25 PM ----------

Jinha wanted to create a free nation for muslims fearing that the Muslims under United India might not be able to express their views and this idea was not to make a fanatic nation for hard core fundementalist. A lot of people here are saying that Quran teaches politics, etc, etc.. but this was for the setup that was 2000 year old civilization it does not cover science and etc that shape the world today and the future. So Quran has to be emphasised as a guide to God and not more than that. The more people say that Kafirs will be put to the sward the more that you are pusing the people of other faith to hate Islam and its teachings which ultimately results in anarchy and hatered.
So guys feel the freedom that you enjoy in modern era and do not try to impose something on others. The modern man/women is by natures will born with the freedom to do what he/she wishes for the course of life that he is there in the planet.

Keep your thoughts to yourself and dont tell us what was 2000 years old and not.
islam is not like other religions its total a system and till the day of judgment.
we dont need to change our religion like Hindus , chiristains and others.

and again dont tell us what was pakistan created for. there are not two versions of Islam . only one exists.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Jinha wanted to create a free nation for muslims fearing that the Muslims under United India might not be able to express their views and this idea was not to make a fanatic nation for hard core fundementalist. A lot of people here are saying that Quran teaches politics, etc, etc.. but this was for the setup that was 2000 year old civilization it does not cover science and etc that shape the world today and the future. So Quran has to be emphasised as a guide to God and not more than that. The more people say that Kafirs will be put to the sward the more that you are pusing the people of other faith to hate Islam and its teachings which ultimately results in anarchy and hatered.
So guys feel the freedom that you enjoy in modern era and do not try to impose something on others. The modern man/women is by natures will born with the freedom to do what he/she wishes for the course of life that he is there in the planet.

Hello, thanks for ur post see our secular brothers r accusing us that we dream of golden days right? if we were putting every kafir to the sword none of kuffar would be left in muslim lands there r still jews in yemen do u know where yemen is?
No sir no one say that every kafir will be killed it is only who attack us just like u will response or any nations would react.

I kindly suggest u to read the posts carefully.

TARIQ