JF17 is an aircraft of present,Tejas is an aircraft of future - IAF chief

[Ali Tariq]

What's the cost of litre of paint these days anyway? 20-25 litres for a JF17?? Chinese paint should be even cheaper

Do you want a comparison between Russian and Chinese paint...?

 

[Mace]

Do you want a comparison between Russian and Chinese paint...?

No not really. Chinese paint will be cheaper. No contest. You should use it.

The least, there will be no claims of joint effort with Russian paint.

 

[Telescopic Sight]

Do you want a comparison between Russian and Chinese paint...?

Yes, if you can ....
Though, I doubt if you can.

 

[Ali Tariq]

No not really. Chinese paint will be cheaper. No contest. You should use it.

The least, there will be no claims of joint effort with Russian paint.

Then stop asking BS questions.
Yeah, yeah I believe what you are saying

Yes, if you can ....
Though, I doubt if you can.

And why should I answer you?

 

[MimophantSlayer]

You Indian creatures really love yourselves and in your contact with civilisation, you really come out of your skin. Every time you jokers put a nut to the bolt, it becomes breaking news yet shamelessly point fingers at others, the F-16 started life as a light weight fighter, it couldn't even fire BVR missiles or drop LGBs but look how it's evolved, after 25 years most aircraft are nearing their service life while your Tejas is still crawling and talking of sugar daddies, just read how many boyfriends you lot had to sleep with to conceive the LCA, which you Bhartis can't stop mouthing off calling it indigenous.

Oh look at that, you lot love giving yourselves the benefit of the doubt but when we do the same about Tejas, you lot start choking and gaging.
The truth is you lot get to prance about about inducting 100 JFTs is coz you set the bar way lower than we did.

JFT doesn't have a decent enough fbw and HMSD and couldn't fire bvr when it was inducted, etc.
Makes you think if JFT was held to the same IOC standards as Tejas it wouldn't even be flying.

As for sugar daddies.
What crucial subsystem does pakstan even contribute in JFT better yet what pakistani subsystem will there be in JFT blk3?
At the least we can say Tejas has 50, 60, 70% Indian contribution in it and are still increasing indigenous components in it every year.

Talk about nuts and bolts when you move beyond a few nuts and bolts.

What actually happened between 1983 and 2000? First, let us take the promise of indigenous development. In 1986 an agreement was quietly signed with the United States that permitted DRDO to work with four US Air force laboratories. The to-be-indigenously-developed engine for the LCA -- Kaveri -- was forgotten and the US made General Electric F-404 engine was substituted. Radar was sourced from Erricson Ferranti, carbon-fibre composite panels for wings from Alenia and fly-by-wire controls from Lockheed Martin. Design help was sought from British Aerospace, Avion Marcel Dassault and Deutsche Aerospace. Wind tunnel testing was done in the US, Russia and France. As for armaments -- missiles, guns, rockets and bombs -- every last item was to be imported.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/13nad.htm

There it is, you only have news long past to consult to, after all how else will pdf pakistanis enforce their confirmation bias.

Composites, no longer foreign.

The initial rudimentary fbw was indeed developed in collaboration with the US.
However the same initial iteration failed numerous times and eventually the one we developed was the far more advanced RSS quadruplex fly-by-wire.
No one really gave us that, we made it on our own.

As for the wind tunnel tests.
The penultimate wind tunnel tests which led to the freezing of the designs for the IOC standard Tejas was done in India in CSIR NAL.

The turbofan powerplant, armaments, radar will all eventually be Indian, which is more than what I can say for JFT.

And to that point, you pdf pakistanis love to point out how us rejoicing the indigenisation of any small component in Tejas is such a blight on the world but you forget to realise that you yourselves don't even make that much.
What exactly is "joint" in the joint fighter?
The Chinese and Russian have more of a contribution in it than pakistan.
What about JFT's FBW, weapons, engine, radar, so on and so forth? Forget about the present you don't even have plans to have pakistani subsystems in it.

 

[Ali Tariq]

Yes, if you can ....
Though, I doubt if you can.

BTW, are you an Indian?

 

[denel]

Oh look at that, you lot love giving yourselves the benefit of the doubt but when we do the same about Tejas, you lot start choking and gaging.
The truth is you lot get to prance about about inducting 100 JFTs is coz you set the bar way lower than we did.

JFT doesn't have a decent enough fbw and HMSD and couldn't fire bvr when it was inducted, etc.
Makes you think if JFT was held to the same IOC standards as Tejas it wouldn't even be flying.

As for sugar daddies.
What crucial subsystem does pakstan even contribute in JFT better yet what pakistani subsystem will there be in JFT blk3?
At the least we can say Tejas has 50, 60, 70% Indian contribution in it and are still increasing indigenous components in it every year.

Talk about nuts and bolts when you move beyond a few nuts and bolts.



There it is, you only have news long past to consult to, after all how else will pdf pakistanis enforce their confirmation bias.

Composites, no longer foreign.
View attachment 470069

The initial rudimentary fbw was indeed developed in collaboration with the US.
However the same initial iteration failed numerous times and eventually the one we developed was the far more advanced RSS quadruplex fly-by-wire.
No one really gave us that, we made it on our own.

As for the wind tunnel tests.
The penultimate wind tunnel tests which led to the freezing of the designs for the IOC standard Tejas was done in India in CSIR NAL.

The turbofan powerplant, armaments, radar will all eventually be Indian, which is more than what I can say for JFT.

And to that point, you pdf pakistanis love to point out how us rejoicing the indigenisation of any small component in Tejas is such a blight on world but you forget to realise that you yourselves don't even make that much.
What exactly is "joint" in the joint fighter?
The Chinese and Russian have more of a contribution in it than pakistan.
What about JFT's FBW, weapons, engine, radar, so on and so forth? Forget about the present you don't even have plans to have pakistani subsystems in it.

Very good point on JF-17.
1. Software development of the onboard systems - Kamra? No
2. Systems integration - Kamra? No
3. Wind tunnel - Kamra? Doubtful
4. Local design bureau or academic institutions involvement - No

It is an outsourced design/development with just input.

 

[PurpleStone]

Very good point on JF-17.
1. Software development of the onboard systems - Kamra? No
2. Systems integration - Kamra? No
3. Wind tunnel - Kamra? Doubtful
4. Local design bureau or academic institutions involvement - No

It is an outsourced design/development with just input.

Input is the most important piece. Even Apple does not manufacture its products in silicon valley. This is what was lacking with Tejas. Heck IAF does not even know what they want. Every time they see a new feature in Rafale or F-35 brochure, they will start including it.

 

[denel]

Input is the most important piece. Even Apple does not manufacture its products in silicon valley. This is what was lacking with Tejas. Heck IAF does not even know what they want. Every time they see a new feature in Rafale or F-35 brochure, they will start including it.

Scope management - elementary principle of Project Management has failed. They need to go and get PMP designation.
True on out sourcing but here we are not taking of mass products but aircraft. For example they dont even make their own radios from scratch.

 

[Suriya]

 

[Windjammer]

What's the cost of litre of paint these days anyway? 20-25 litres for a JF17?? Chinese paint should be even cheaper

Who better than the Indians to know about paint jobs and it's cost.

 

[MZ-PDF]

A point to be noted about what he said.

Tejas during Gaganshakti exercise 2018 suffered technical difficulties.

 

[MZ-PDF]

A point to be noted about what he said.

Tejas during Gaganshakti exercise 2018 suffered technical difficulties.

Probably due to high climate temperature.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Who better than the Indians to know about paint jobs and it's cost.

Oh look at that, a strawman argument.
Because that will somehow get JF-17 a pakistani subsystem.

 

[Windjammer]

Oh look at that, you lot love giving yourselves the benefit of the doubt but when we do the same about Tejas, you lot start choking and gaging.
The truth is you lot get to prance about about inducting 100 JFTs is coz you set the bar way lower than we did.

JFT doesn't have a decent enough fbw and HMSD and couldn't fire bvr when it was inducted, etc.
Makes you think if JFT was held to the same IOC standards as Tejas it wouldn't even be flying.

As for sugar daddies.
What crucial subsystem does pakstan even contribute in JFT better yet what pakistani subsystem will there be in JFT blk3?
At the least we can say Tejas has 50, 60, 70% Indian contribution in it and are still increasing indigenous components in it every year.

Talk about nuts and bolts when you move beyond a few nuts and bolts.



There it is, you only have news long past to consult to, after all how else will pdf pakistanis enforce their confirmation bias.

Composites, no longer foreign.
View attachment 470069

The initial rudimentary fbw was indeed developed in collaboration with the US.
However the same initial iteration failed numerous times and eventually the one we developed was the far more advanced RSS quadruplex fly-by-wire.
No one really gave us that, we made it on our own.

As for the wind tunnel tests.
The penultimate wind tunnel tests which led to the freezing of the designs for the IOC standard Tejas was done in India in CSIR NAL.

The turbofan powerplant, armaments, radar will all eventually be Indian, which is more than what I can say for JFT.

And to that point, you pdf pakistanis love to point out how us rejoicing the indigenisation of any small component in Tejas is such a blight on world but you forget to realise that you yourselves don't even make that much.
What exactly is "joint" in the joint fighter?
The Chinese and Russian have more of a contribution in it than pakistan.
What about JFT's FBW, weapons, engine, radar, so on and so forth? Forget about the present you don't even have plans to have pakistani subsystems in it.

I'm sure the same high bar rules also applied to your IJT Sitara and Arjun , Akash and what not.
Joint venture is why it's being marketed flown out and displayed by PAC & PAF, you characters are always chest thumping about making the SU-30s in India, try selling one in fact even when the Indian funded Pak FA had an engine fire, the Russians didn't let you near it....so try to digest thge fact JF-17 is as much Pakistani as it's Chinese product.

Disagree. Pak is just that better in paint jobs than India. Possibly it's only speciality.

Na, that's an Indian thing, their paint job is so good that even when splashed the colours don't run.