JF-17 with AESA radar and helmet mounted system and the PL-15 misile will replace F16 as top jet ?

[BRAVO_]

modern warfare is all about avionics, whichever aircraft has better avionics shall be the winner after all indian mig was shot down because it was pitched against wrong aircraft and clearly it was not a match of it therefore the results were as expected ... the day pakistan able to develop an aircraft (it could be JF-17 block xyz or FC-31), superior to existent F-16's, i am sure it would become our front line fighter automatically...

 

[LeGenD]

Lol.. the one always making tall claim is always Russian and American. In fact Chinese spec on airshow is always very modest and no using marketing gimmicks.

Really? I know from MY 'entrepreneurial experience' that Marketing gimmicks are common in Chinese disclosures. And Russians do the same.

Consider following example.

What exactly do you see in this disclosure which indicates that KLJ-7A is on par with AN/APG-82 through and through? KLJ-7A is officially stated to have a combat range of 170 KM, and the developer (i.e. NRIET) is using this 'vague disclosure' to pitch its radar system as a peer of AN/APG-82 in public:

"The KLJ-7A that makes its first public appearance in this show has a combat range of 170 kilometers," says WANG Hongzhe (王宏哲), "This range is equivalent to (that of the radar) F-35, and it's is mostly done on a radar with a much smaller volume in comparison."

Emphasis mine. MARKETING GIMMICK from the developer of this radar system to generate sales. For the naive and gullible; a radar system has much more to it then 'combat radius' in order to assess parity, and crude comparisons between detection ranges are not advised because different manufacturers have different SNR requirements for detection.

Mr. Wang Hongzhe (deputy director - NRIET) disclosed following capabilities of KLJ-7A in a press briefing:-

• Combat radius of KLJ-7A at 200 KM = valid for targets having 5m^2 RCS
• Combat radius of KLJ-7A at 170 KM = valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS
• Close to 1000 TRMs in total
• Capable of tracking 15 potential targets in one go, and developing a fire solution for 4 potential targets in one go
• 11 modules of operation in total
• Operates in X-band

KLJ-7A is roughly a peer of Raytheon's AN/APG-63(V2) based on CRUDE comparisons, but even this is not clear due to 'secrecy factor'.

Now, let us talk about the radar system of F-35 variants. From where I shall begin...

F-35 variants feature AN/APG-81 radar system which is also ELECTRONICALLY FUSED with AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda EW/CS system to enhance its offensive and defensive capabilities yet even further. However, technicalities of this radar system are shrouded in mystery and disinformation in public domain.

For example, there are sources on the web which point out that AN/APG-81 have 1000 TRMs but this was an early PROTOTYPE*. The finalized version of AN/APG-81 have 1676 TRMs in total.

*This PROTOTYPE was capable of tracking up to 23 potential targets under 3 seconds in one go, and developing a fire solution of up to 19 potential targets under 3 seconds in one go. One can imagine what the finalized version of AN/APG-81 is capable of in this respect in comparison.

Now a state-of-the-art AESA radar system with 1676 TRMs is expected to have noticeably superior 'combat radius' than Russian PESA Irbis-E radar system which is used in Su-35 (crude assessment). Combat radius of Irbis-E at 350 KM is valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS, so you can imagine what would be the case with finalized version of AN/APG-81 in comparison for the same target - we are looking at 400+ KM in this aspect. Furthermore, there is a lot more about AN/APG-81 which is not public knowledge, and will not be in the near future, and even Chinese developers would not be aware.

Emphasis mine. Refrain from drawing CRUDE comparisons between radar systems in the absence of proper and verified content and/or jumping to ill-advised conclusions on the basis of CRUDE information in brochures from developers.

F-35 is on a completely different level of capability in comparison of JF-17 Thunder Block III and/or similar aircraft. Even if you pick J-20 for comparison, I can pinpoint to you numerous areas where it falls short in comparison to F-35. Use your brain for once. US have invested a TRILLION USD in the R&D for F-35 program, and this translate into something much more profound than what Pakistan can manage with its meager resources even with aid of China.

Basic analogy:-

Huawei Mate 10 Lite = Rs.35,000/-
Huawei P20 Pro = Rs.100,000/-

Do you think these smartphones are similar in terms of capabilities? To a layman, probably.

As proven JF-17 BLK 2 is very capable and helps PAF win 27 Feb engagement. Contradict who many claim it's radar is inferior to french or Russian counterpart and whole plane is junk. Am I right?

Did you see me stating anywhere in this forum that JF-17 Thunder Block 2 is JUNK?

I am rather extremely vocal against the nonsense of Russians because they are known to HYPE their products beyond measure in discussions, and to generate sales. Perhaps you were sleeping when I was involved in heated conversations with Russian fanboys in this very forum. Shall I give you pointers?

PAF exposed 'sheer incompetence' of IAF in the recent engagement with well-planned tactics and level of preparation, as well as the shortcomings of Russian hardware. FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/blinders-played-crucial-role-in-paf-assault.610576/

And this is not the first time. PAF humiliated IAF back in the days of 1965 war.

I came across a discussion in the famous f-16.net community about Russian AESA radar systems, and a Western expert debunked much of Russian hype and nonsense in it, but the Russian fanboys in the discussion were not interested in learning anything. YOU are just like these Russians.

So why shall u be skceptical if the Chinese designer says so for KJL-7A AESA?

See above.

Once again, you are lying. The history of marketing gimmicks always fall on the western weapon maker instead of Chinese. There is full proof of thread showing Chinese are very modest of their product. Most of the tall claim are made by Tabloid newspaper reporter and not the weapon manufacturer. Reader who dont understand Chinese will mix up and think its Chinese manufacturer who released those tall claim to brag their product.

In fact, western marker like BAE will claim how astute SSN can detected enemy sub thousands of km away with no proper explanation and verification. F-35 radar spec are well know. I do not know why some claim its not publish.

YOU are NOT an objective person, mind you. And I am not the first Pakistani member to call you out on your BS in this community. You need to overcome your BIASES against Western sources FIRST before we can even hope to have a constructive discussion about technology-oriented themes, because all of them are not liars by default, and Western authors happen to be among the greatest educators to mankind. Did you ever go to school?

F-35 is one of the most misunderstood aircraft in public domain; this is in part due to vast amount of disinformation in regards to its capabilities on the web, and this might be INTENTIONAL from certain sources which in turn might be CIA bots. Why would US want the public to learn so much about one of its most prized processions? Does not make sense.

And its not like every tom, d*** and harry can be compared to F-35 in discussions. Refrain from this BS.

 

[LKJ86]

Now a state-of-the-art AESA radar system with 1676 TRMs is expected to have noticeably superior 'combat radius' than Russian PESA Irbis-E radar system which is used in Su-35 (crude assessment). Combat radius of Irbis-E at 350 KM is valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS, so you can imagine what would be the case with finalized version of AN/APG-81 in comparison for the same target - we are looking at 400+ KM in this aspect. Furthermore, there is a lot more about AN/APG-81 which is not public knowledge, and will not be in the near future, and even Chinese developers would not be aware.

"Combat radius of Irbis-E at 350 KM is valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS"
Interesting...

China is using Su-35, and knows the real performance of Irbis-E.

 

[Beast]

Really? I know from my entrepreneurial experience that Marketing gimmicks are common in Chinese disclosures. And Russians do the same.

Consider following example.

What exactly do you see in this disclosure which indicates that KLJ-7A is on par with AN/APG-82 to full extent? KLJ-7A is officially stated to have a combat range of 170 KM, and the developer (i.e. NRIET) is using this 'vague disclosure' to pitch its radar system as a peer of AN/APG-82 in public:

"The KLJ-7A that makes its first public appearance in this show has a combat range of 170 kilometers," says WANG Hongzhe (王宏哲), "This range is equivalent to (that of the radar) F-35, and it's is mostly done on a radar with a much smaller volume in comparison."

- MARKETING GIMMICK from the developer of this radar system to generate sales. For the naive and gullible; a radar system has much more to it then 'combat radius' in order to assess parity, and crude comparisons between detection ranges are not advised because different manufacturers have different SNR requirements for detection.

Mr. Wang Hongzhe (deputy director - NRIET) disclosed following capabilities of KLJ-7A in a press briefing:-

• Combat radius of KLJ-7A at 200 KM = valid for targets having 5m^2 RCS
• Combat radius of KLJ-7A at 170 KM = valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS
• Close to 1000 TRMs in total
• Capable of tracking 15 potential targets in one go, and developing a fire solution for 4 potential targets in one go
• 11 modules of operation in total
• Operates in X-band

KLJ-7A is roughly a peer of Raytheon's AN/APG-63(V2) based on CRUDE comparisons.

Now, let us talk about the radar system of F-35 variants. From where I should begin...

F-35 variants feature AN/APG-81 radar system which is also ELECTRONICALLY FUSED with AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda EW/CS system to enhance its offensive and defensive capabilities yet even further.

However, technicalities of this radar system are shrouded in mystery and disinformation in public domain.

For example, there are sources on the web which point out that AN/APG-81 have 1000 TRMs but this was an early PROTOTYPE*. The finalized version of AN/APG-81 have 1676 TRMs in total.

*This PROTOTYPE was capable of tracking up to 23 potential targets under 3 seconds in one go, and developing a fire solution of up to 19 potential targets under 3 seconds in one go. One can imagine what the finalized version of AN/APG-81 is capable of in this respect.

Now a very advanced AESA radar system with 1676 TRMs is expected to have noticeably superior 'combat radius' than Russian PESA Irbis-E radar system which is used in Su-35 (crude assessment). Combat radius of Irbis-E at 350 KM is valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS, so you can imagine what would be the case with finalized version of AN/APG-81 in comparison for the same target - we are looking at 400+ KM in this aspect. Furthermore, there is a lot more about AN/APG-81 which is not public knowledge, and will not be in the near future, and even Chinese developers would not be aware.

Emphasis mine. Refrain from drawing CRUDE comparisons between radar systems in the absence of proper and verified content and/or jumping to ill-advised conclusions on the basis of CRUDE information in brochures.

F-35 is on a completely different level of capability in comparison of JF-17 Thunder Block III and/or similar aircraft. Even if you pick J-20 for comparison, I can pinpoint to you numerous areas where it falls short in comparison to F-35. Use your brain for once. US have invested a TRILLION USD in the R&D for F-35 program, and this translate into something much more profound than what Pakistan can manage with its meager resources even with aid of China.

Basic analogy:-

Huawei Mate 10 Lite = Rs.35,000/-
Huawei P20 Pro = Rs.100,000/-


Did you see me stating anywhere in this forum that JF-17 Thunder Block 2 is JUNK?

I am rather extremely vocal against the nonsense of Russians because they are known to HYPE their products beyond measure in discussions, and to generate sales. Perhaps you were sleeping when I was involved in heated conversations with Russian fanboys in this very forum. Shall I give you pointers?

PAF exposed 'sheer incompetence' of IAF in the recent engagement with well-planned tactics and level of preparation, as well as the shortcomings of Russian hardware. FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/blinders-played-crucial-role-in-paf-assault.610576/

And this is not the first time. PAF humiliated IAF back in the days of 1965 war.

I came across a discussion in the famous f-16.net community about Russian AESA radar systems, and a Western expert debunked much of Russian hype and nonsense in it, but the Russian fanboys in the discussion were not interested in learning anything. YOU are just like these Russians.


See above.


YOU are NOT an objective person, mind you. And I am not the first Pakistani member to call you out on your BS in this community. You need to overcome your BIASES against Western sources FIRST before we can even hope to have a constructive discussion about technology-oriented themes, because all of them are not liars by default, and Western authors happen to be among the greatest educators to mankind. Did you ever go to school?

F-35 is one of the most misunderstood aircraft in public domain; this is in part due to vast amount of disinformation in regards to its capabilities on the web, and this might be INTENTIONAL from certain sources which in turn might be CIA bots. Why would US want the public to learn so much about one of its most prized processions? Does not make sense.

And its not like every tom, d*** and harry can be compared to F-35 in discussions. Refrain from this BS.

Thanks to your lengthy reply which I am not able to rebuke all.

You just prove my point. He claim the radar is comparable or better than APG-63 which is previous a radar considered for F-35 therefore the claim of better still valid.

As for R&D spend by Chinese compare to western. You are the one not using brain . Does a Chinese earn as much as an American? So as the material or final cost for China and US is the same? China can produced high quality product but at fraction of cost compare to US Counterpart. What US spend on F-35 project, Chinese can probably do it at much lower.

And regards to mention JF-17 as junk by some. I have never say u are the one making the claim. Why are u so work up? Are u the Indian who make such claim? I am sure u are not. But previous many doubt JF-17 is capable of defending pakistan sky against IAF which proven wrong in 27 Feb engagement. I am sure they are also proven wrong Chinese radar and tech is not capable.

 

[LeGenD]

Anyways, all members should watch this excellent video. It explains the basics of radar systems (physics and mathematics involved), and also the fact that why SU-35S does not stand a chance against F-35 in a hypothetical confrontation, and why these kind of crude comparisons are misplaced.

Very informative.

 

[ziaulislam]

Really? I know from MY 'entrepreneurial experience' that Marketing gimmicks are common in Chinese disclosures. And Russians do the same.

Consider following example.

What exactly do you see in this disclosure which indicates that KLJ-7A is on par with AN/APG-82 through and through? KLJ-7A is officially stated to have a combat range of 170 KM, and the developer (i.e. NRIET) is using this 'vague disclosure' to pitch its radar system as a peer of AN/APG-82 in public:

"The KLJ-7A that makes its first public appearance in this show has a combat range of 170 kilometers," says WANG Hongzhe (王宏哲), "This range is equivalent to (that of the radar) F-35, and it's is mostly done on a radar with a much smaller volume in comparison."

Emphasis mine. MARKETING GIMMICK from the developer of this radar system to generate sales. For the naive and gullible; a radar system has much more to it then 'combat radius' in order to assess parity, and crude comparisons between detection ranges are not advised because different manufacturers have different SNR requirements for detection.

Mr. Wang Hongzhe (deputy director - NRIET) disclosed following capabilities of KLJ-7A in a press briefing:-

• Combat radius of KLJ-7A at 200 KM = valid for targets having 5m^2 RCS
• Combat radius of KLJ-7A at 170 KM = valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS
• Close to 1000 TRMs in total
• Capable of tracking 15 potential targets in one go, and developing a fire solution for 4 potential targets in one go
• 11 modules of operation in total
• Operates in X-band

KLJ-7A is roughly a peer of Raytheon's AN/APG-63(V2) based on CRUDE comparisons, but even this is not clear due to 'secrecy factor'.

Now, let us talk about the radar system of F-35 variants. From where I shall begin...

F-35 variants feature AN/APG-81 radar system which is also ELECTRONICALLY FUSED with AN/ASQ-239 Barracuda EW/CS system to enhance its offensive and defensive capabilities yet even further. However, technicalities of this radar system are shrouded in mystery and disinformation in public domain.

For example, there are sources on the web which point out that AN/APG-81 have 1000 TRMs but this was an early PROTOTYPE*. The finalized version of AN/APG-81 have 1676 TRMs in total.

*This PROTOTYPE was capable of tracking up to 23 potential targets under 3 seconds in one go, and developing a fire solution of up to 19 potential targets under 3 seconds in one go. One can imagine what the finalized version of AN/APG-81 is capable of in this respect in comparison.

Now a state-of-the-art AESA radar system with 1676 TRMs is expected to have noticeably superior 'combat radius' than Russian PESA Irbis-E radar system which is used in Su-35 (crude assessment). Combat radius of Irbis-E at 350 KM is valid for targets having 3m^2 RCS, so you can imagine what would be the case with finalized version of AN/APG-81 in comparison for the same target - we are looking at 400+ KM in this aspect. Furthermore, there is a lot more about AN/APG-81 which is not public knowledge, and will not be in the near future, and even Chinese developers would not be aware.

Emphasis mine. Refrain from drawing CRUDE comparisons between radar systems in the absence of proper and verified content and/or jumping to ill-advised conclusions on the basis of CRUDE information in brochures from developers.

F-35 is on a completely different level of capability in comparison of JF-17 Thunder Block III and/or similar aircraft. Even if you pick J-20 for comparison, I can pinpoint to you numerous areas where it falls short in comparison to F-35. Use your brain for once. US have invested a TRILLION USD in the R&D for F-35 program, and this translate into something much more profound than what Pakistan can manage with its meager resources even with aid of China.

Basic analogy:-

Huawei Mate 10 Lite = Rs.35,000/-
Huawei P20 Pro = Rs.100,000/-

Do you think these smartphones are similar in terms of capabilities? To a layman, probably.


Did you see me stating anywhere in this forum that JF-17 Thunder Block 2 is JUNK?

I am rather extremely vocal against the nonsense of Russians because they are known to HYPE their products beyond measure in discussions, and to generate sales. Perhaps you were sleeping when I was involved in heated conversations with Russian fanboys in this very forum. Shall I give you pointers?

PAF exposed 'sheer incompetence' of IAF in the recent engagement with well-planned tactics and level of preparation, as well as the shortcomings of Russian hardware. FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/blinders-played-crucial-role-in-paf-assault.610576/

And this is not the first time. PAF humiliated IAF back in the days of 1965 war.

I came across a discussion in the famous f-16.net community about Russian AESA radar systems, and a Western expert debunked much of Russian hype and nonsense in it, but the Russian fanboys in the discussion were not interested in learning anything. YOU are just like these Russians.


See above.


YOU are NOT an objective person, mind you. And I am not the first Pakistani member to call you out on your BS in this community. You need to overcome your BIASES against Western sources FIRST before we can even hope to have a constructive discussion about technology-oriented themes, because all of them are not liars by default, and Western authors happen to be among the greatest educators to mankind. Did you ever go to school?

F-35 is one of the most misunderstood aircraft in public domain; this is in part due to vast amount of disinformation in regards to its capabilities on the web, and this might be INTENTIONAL from certain sources which in turn might be CIA bots. Why would US want the public to learn so much about one of its most prized processions? Does not make sense.

And its not like every tom, d*** and harry can be compared to F-35 in discussions. Refrain from this BS.

I wasn't aware that R&D portion of f35 was a trillion dollars.(not the wholw program and manufacturing portion)
where did you get that info from?

US told senate comittee that the program cost is around 400b(including delivering 2500jets) may be the 1 trillion you are referring was from black site

 

[The Accountant]

Zabardast jawab hai bhai!

Jo aap se mutafiq na ho uski shehriyat/hub ul watni mashkook ho jati hai. Jari rakhen.

Its not about agreeing to my opinion or not ... you are simply putting incorrect facts and the incorrect information propagated by indian media ...

You can disagree on my opinions but if you start spread miss information and that too in the favor of enemy then yes i will question your nationality and patriotisim (if you are Pakistani)

 

[LeGenD]

As for R&D spend by Chinese compare to western. You are the one not using brain . Does a Chinese earn as much as an American? So as the material or final cost for China and US is the same? China can produced high quality product but at fraction of cost compare to US Counterpart. What US spend on F-35 project, Chinese can probably do it at much lower.

High quality Chinese products are extremely expensive much like Western products here in Pakistan, and also in other countries. Only labor costs are lower in case of China, but US outsourced production of F-35 variants to several countries to reduce costs. However, costs of F-35 program still went through the roof because the Jets were designed to do much more than they were originally envisioned (exceedingly complex software + hardware combo, and affiliated optimizations), and 3 aircraft with distinct specializations were introduced in the form of F-35A, F-35B and F-35C respectively on top.

High quality stuff is not cheap from any country.

Huawei P20 Pro = Rs.100,000/-
Samsung S9 Plus = Rs.112,000/-

And regards to mention JF-17 as junk by some. I have never say u are the one making the claim. Why are u so work up? Are u the Indian who make such claim? I am sure u are not. But previous many doubt JF-17 is capable of defending pakistan sky against IAF which proven wrong in 27 Feb engagement. I am sure they are also proven wrong Chinese radar and tech is not capable.

I never said that Chinese technologies are not up to the task or impressive to say the least, but China is not a peer of some of the most technologically advanced countries of the world in several domains such as US, South Korea, Germany, UK and Japan or even close. Why you take offense with this assessment, is beyond me. Chinese corporations source lot of information and components from US, South Korea, Germany, UK and Japan in reality. Take a good look at the SUPPLY CHAIN of Huawei for instance.

I am certainly keeping an eye on Chinese technological advancements, but do you think that US is stagnant in these matters? US have had incredibly advanced 'centers of learning' at its disposal for years which continue to push boundaries through their R&D programs and churn out a large number of researchers from time-to-time. China have established its own advanced 'centers of learning' by now, but are they MAGICALLY on par with American?

We can admire Chinese stuff without the need to draw comparisons with American stuff at every turn. But when you do then be mentally prepared to be schooled. Ultimate truth is that China have received know-how about a great many stuff from American corporations since the 1970s when they opened their factories in mainland China. Your country have also learned a great deal from Russia over the course of years. No shame in admitting this.

My Chinese Lenovo laptop have numerous American components inside because China does not offer substitutes of comparable quality for them. To me, both countries are doing well, and fulfilling my needs. Now extrapolate this view to the procurement(s) of Pakistani armed forces. JF-17 Thunder variants are not 100% Chinese designs, mind you.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Hello Bharti, I know all Indians are ashamed of IAF but it seems you are ashamed of your flags too

F 16s playes the major role. They downed both Indian Jets not JF 17

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Hello Bharti, I know all Indians are ashamed of IAF but it seems you are ashamed of your flags too

I am Pakistani

 

[Hassannn85]

Its not about agreeing to my opinion or not ... you are simply putting incorrect facts and the incorrect information propagated by indian media ...

You can disagree on my opinions but if you start spread miss information and that too in the favor of enemy then yes i will question your nationality and patriotisim (if you are Pakistani)

Jazbe ko control karo bhai aqal pe havi ho gya hai.

Lets agree to disagree. Peace

 

[CrazyZ]

USA defense industry is focused on the F-35....the F-16 production line is close to its end. I'm not sure all the terms on the F-16 from the Americans..but we fly them for as long as possible. If allowed, we develop an in house overhaul & upgrade program like mirage rose...so we may be able to keep them flying for some time. And even acquire used ones from other nations to build our fleet. The tech developed for JF-17 can be used as part of an F-16 rose initiative.

High quality Chinese products are extremely expensive much like Western products here in Pakistan, and also in other countries. Only labor costs are lower in case of China, but US outsourced production of F-35 variants to several countries to reduce costs. However, costs of F-35 program still went through the roof because the Jets were designed to do much more than they were originally envisioned (exceedingly complex software + hardware combo, and affiliated optimizations), and 3 aircraft with distinct specializations were introduced in the form of F-35A, F-35B and F-35C respectively on top.

High quality stuff is not cheap from any country.

Huawei P20 Pro = Rs.100,000/-
Samsung S9 Plus = Rs.112,000/-


I never said that Chinese technologies are not up to the task or impressive to say the least, but China is not a peer of some of the most technologically advanced countries of the world in several domains such as US, South Korea, Germany, UK and Japan or even close. Why you take offense with this assessment, is beyond me. Chinese corporations source lot of information and components from US, South Korea, Germany, UK and Japan in reality. Take a good look at the SUPPLY CHAIN of Huawei for instance.

I am certainly keeping an eye on Chinese technological advancements, but do you think that US is stagnant in these matters? US have had incredibly advanced 'centers of learning' at its disposal for years which continue to push boundaries through their R&D programs and churn out a large number of researchers from time-to-time. China have established its own advanced 'centers of learning' by now, but are they MAGICALLY on par with American?

We can admire Chinese stuff without the need to draw comparisons with American stuff at every turn. But when you do then be mentally prepared to be schooled. Ultimate truth is that China have received know-how about a great many stuff from American corporations since the 1970s when they opened their factories in mainland China. Your country have also learned a great deal from Russia over the course of years. No shame in admitting this.

My Chinese Lenovo laptop have numerous American components inside because China does not offer substitutes of comparable quality for them. To me, both countries are doing well, and fulfilling my needs. Now extrapolate this view to the procurement(s) of Pakistani armed forces. JF-17 Thunder variants are not 100% Chinese designs, mind you.

Sorry but Chinese technology has developed a lot. They may even over take the USA....Trump actually cut funding for basic science and technology development.

 

[The Accountant]

Jazbe ko control karo bhai aqal pe havi ho gya hai.

Lets agree to disagree. Peace

Mind your language you moron ... rather commenting on my senses stop watching indian news channel before you mind gets permanently damaged

USA defense industry is focused on the F-35....the F-16 production line is close to its end. I'm not sure all the terms on the F-16 from the Americans..but we fly them for as long as possible. If allowed, we develop an in house overhaul & upgrade program like mirage rose...so we may be able to keep them flying for some time. And even acquire used ones from other nations to build our fleet. The tech developed for JF-17 can be used as part of an F-16 rose initiative.



Sorry but Chinese technology has developed a lot. They may even over take the USA....Trump actually cut funding for basic science and technology development.

Chinese has developed alot but they lack experience

 

[ShaikhKamal]

Will the new JF 17 Block III have the AESA radars with the first aircraft manufactured this year or do we wait until 2021 for AESA radars as some other websites have reported ?

 

[araz]

It was mission failure. They were detected and chased away without hitting their targets. In contrast, in the next day in broadway light, PAF JF-17s and support systems went inside Indian airspace, jammed the heck out of Indian weapon systems, hit different targets & shot down 2 IAF jets and confused Indian AD systems to the point of the Indians shooting down their own helicopter. All without a single PAF loss.

Bottom line is in the first modern EW infested battlespace between two equal powers, Pakistan came up on top in every aspect. Pakistanis should be proud of the fact that despite facing an enemy 10x bigger in size, population and economy, Pakistan was globally accepted as the victor.

I think one of the factors people are failing to understand is the difference between the 2 missions. The difference appears to be the efficacy of the EW on the part of PAF as compared to failure on the part of IAF. If the PAF had followed IAF into IOK the results on the 26th could well have been disasterous for PAF. So PAF won because it chose to fight its war on its own terms.
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