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Awesome ride by JF-17 thunder today in Paris.. Hope we will see WS-13A (100KN) engine in upcoming blocks..which will boost its capabilities. 
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Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder 13-146 from 16 Squadron ‘Black Panthers’ is one of three that have been flown to Le Bourget. As previously reported on AFD, they left Pakistan for the Show on June 7. In addition to this aircraft in the static park, one will be flown in the daily flying displays and the third will kept as a back-up aircraft.
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Sir this reports say 54 JF-17 have been provided to PAF till now which include 50 Block I and 4 Block II and all 50 Block I are now being upgraded to Block II standard ? Is it true ? Because I though first we would produce 50 Block II than we would start upgrading 50 Block I Jets so what reports you have ? @fatman17 @Oscar @Horus and others
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PARIS AIR SHOW
For Military Aviation, China Not Yet Risin
By Aaron Mehta
Pakistan Air Force
China has an expected agreement with Myanmar to buy China's FC-1 fighter, which is jointly produced with Pakistan as the JF-17.
WASHINGTON — Despite much handwringing in the US about China's next-generation aircraft technology, analysts don't expect the Pacific power to expand its grip on the global military aviation market.
The obvious niche for China to target is the market filled during the Cold War by Russian equipment. For nations outside of Europe, Russia represented an alternative supplier to the US, one which was generally cheaper to procure than American equipment.
Doug Berenson, an analyst with Avascent, said Russian firms need to be aware of the threat to traditional customers.
"If I were the Russians, I would know exactly which way the wind is blowing. Chinese firms are going to grow into a certain level of excellence, and if the Russians think they can control the flow of Chinese exporters from there, they are fooling themselves," he said.
However, that market is limited for China, in part due to geopolitical reasons. A series of aggressive moves by China to expand its territory in the South China Sea has angered neighbors in the region, including some who have purchased Russian equipment that now may be falling behind newer technologies put forth by China.
Speaking in Hawaii on May 27, US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter warned that China was isolating itself in the Pacific through its actions, in particular the creation of 2,000 acres of new islands in the sea that Beijing is claiming as territory. The US and its allies have rejected those claims.
"China's actions are bringing countries in the region together in new ways," he said. "And they're increasing demand for American engagement in the Asia-Pacific. We're going to meet it."
Richard Aboulafia, an analyst with Teal Group, points out that politics plays a huge role in any decision to buy military gear.
"Part of the package you're buying is a political relationship, and very few people actually want that with China right now," he said. Even Asian countries that have not traditionally been pro-Western
Vasiliy Kashin, a China defense specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, agrees.
"Some of the traditional Russian customers are China's regional adversaries, so there can be no competition between Russia and China on these markets," he noted.
One example is Vietnam, which the Pentagon says buys 90 percent of its defense equipment from Russia.
A few years ago, Vietnam would have seemed a clear customer for Chinese military goods. But Chinese actions, including the placement of an oil rig just off Vietnamese waters in 2014, have driven Vietnam to increase its military-industrial ties with the US.
The oil rig situation led to a spike in anti-Chinese sentiment, including riots that targeted Chinese-owned businesses. It also, according to a US official, helped solidify a decision by Vietnam's leadership to move closer to the US politically.
There are still markets available to China, of course. Kashin points to limited successes China has had with markets that "are not that important to Russia," such as an expected agreement from Myanmar to buy China's FC-1 fighter, which is jointly produced with Pakistan as the JF-17, despite having Russian legacy equipment.
The Myanmar military "already has a fleet of MiG-29s, and we could expect them to continue buying newer MiG-29 versions, but they chose a Chinese aircraft," he said.
China also hopes the JF-17 can steal former Russian sales territory in Bulgaria, which is looking to replace its aging MiG-21 aircraft.
Berenson noted that the biggest market where Russia has been losing out to China is also one of the world's largest economies — China itself.
"So far, China has begun to successfully take market share away from Russia in its own backyard," he noted.
Another barrier for China, Aboulafia says, is the inherent nature of its aerospace industry.
"One real issue with China as an aerospace producing country is the massive difference between China's broader economy and its aerospace segment," Aboulafia said. "They reformed the bulk of their economies, but aerospace remains largely a state-run relic."
In that regard, China has similarities with India, another Russian customer that will probably never buy a Chinese weapon.
But where Aboulafia says India has begun to reform its system, including creating opportunities to circumvent the notoriously slow Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., "China remains the same, and it takes a long time to reform processes in state-run factories."
Kashin also points to a technological problem facing China — developing a high-end domestic engine. Despite progress and an increasing reliance on domestic engines for the Chinese military, he said, the engines are not capable enough to compete on the open market.
"That means that Russia can block Chinese exports to the markets Russia considers strategically important," Kashin said. "But Russia cannot block Chinese exports everywhere, because that would be bad for relations."
Wendell Minnick in Taipei contributed to this report.
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It is Myanmar
For Military Aviation, China Not Yet Risin
By Aaron Mehta
Pakistan Air Force
China has an expected agreement with Myanmar to buy China's FC-1 fighter, which is jointly produced with Pakistan as the JF-17.
WASHINGTON — Despite much handwringing in the US about China's next-generation aircraft technology, analysts don't expect the Pacific power to expand its grip on the global military aviation market.
The obvious niche for China to target is the market filled during the Cold War by Russian equipment. For nations outside of Europe, Russia represented an alternative supplier to the US, one which was generally cheaper to procure than American equipment.
Doug Berenson, an analyst with Avascent, said Russian firms need to be aware of the threat to traditional customers.
"If I were the Russians, I would know exactly which way the wind is blowing. Chinese firms are going to grow into a certain level of excellence, and if the Russians think they can control the flow of Chinese exporters from there, they are fooling themselves," he said.
However, that market is limited for China, in part due to geopolitical reasons. A series of aggressive moves by China to expand its territory in the South China Sea has angered neighbors in the region, including some who have purchased Russian equipment that now may be falling behind newer technologies put forth by China.
Speaking in Hawaii on May 27, US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter warned that China was isolating itself in the Pacific through its actions, in particular the creation of 2,000 acres of new islands in the sea that Beijing is claiming as territory. The US and its allies have rejected those claims.
"China's actions are bringing countries in the region together in new ways," he said. "And they're increasing demand for American engagement in the Asia-Pacific. We're going to meet it."
Richard Aboulafia, an analyst with Teal Group, points out that politics plays a huge role in any decision to buy military gear.
"Part of the package you're buying is a political relationship, and very few people actually want that with China right now," he said. Even Asian countries that have not traditionally been pro-Western
Vasiliy Kashin, a China defense specialist at the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, agrees.
"Some of the traditional Russian customers are China's regional adversaries, so there can be no competition between Russia and China on these markets," he noted.
One example is Vietnam, which the Pentagon says buys 90 percent of its defense equipment from Russia.
A few years ago, Vietnam would have seemed a clear customer for Chinese military goods. But Chinese actions, including the placement of an oil rig just off Vietnamese waters in 2014, have driven Vietnam to increase its military-industrial ties with the US.
The oil rig situation led to a spike in anti-Chinese sentiment, including riots that targeted Chinese-owned businesses. It also, according to a US official, helped solidify a decision by Vietnam's leadership to move closer to the US politically.
There are still markets available to China, of course. Kashin points to limited successes China has had with markets that "are not that important to Russia," such as an expected agreement from Myanmar to buy China's FC-1 fighter, which is jointly produced with Pakistan as the JF-17, despite having Russian legacy equipment.
The Myanmar military "already has a fleet of MiG-29s, and we could expect them to continue buying newer MiG-29 versions, but they chose a Chinese aircraft," he said.
China also hopes the JF-17 can steal former Russian sales territory in Bulgaria, which is looking to replace its aging MiG-21 aircraft.
Berenson noted that the biggest market where Russia has been losing out to China is also one of the world's largest economies — China itself.
"So far, China has begun to successfully take market share away from Russia in its own backyard," he noted.
Another barrier for China, Aboulafia says, is the inherent nature of its aerospace industry.
"One real issue with China as an aerospace producing country is the massive difference between China's broader economy and its aerospace segment," Aboulafia said. "They reformed the bulk of their economies, but aerospace remains largely a state-run relic."
In that regard, China has similarities with India, another Russian customer that will probably never buy a Chinese weapon.
But where Aboulafia says India has begun to reform its system, including creating opportunities to circumvent the notoriously slow Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd., "China remains the same, and it takes a long time to reform processes in state-run factories."
Kashin also points to a technological problem facing China — developing a high-end domestic engine. Despite progress and an increasing reliance on domestic engines for the Chinese military, he said, the engines are not capable enough to compete on the open market.
"That means that Russia can block Chinese exports to the markets Russia considers strategically important," Kashin said. "But Russia cannot block Chinese exports everywhere, because that would be bad for relations."
Wendell Minnick in Taipei contributed to this report.
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that is extreme maneuver that have never been seen on JF17 before ... Love that take off
Look like CM 102 Anti radiation missile .. It was also displayed at Zhuhai air show
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Per the flight global report looks Iike PAF is looking for major improvements in block III. AESA, IRST, pods attachment under forward fuselage.
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Yes sir
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Sir this reports say 54 JF-17 have been provided to PAF till now which include 50 Block I and 4 Block II and all 50 Block I are now being upgraded to Block II standard ? Is it true ? Because I though first we would produce 50 Block II than we would start upgrading 50 Block I Jets so what reports you have ? @fatman17 @Oscar @Horus and others
We have to go by what the project manager is saying. Kamra has the capacity to build block II s and update the block Is.
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That is good news than it means soon we would have 100 BLOCK II that is great news.
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