JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Tempest II]

Interesting that the MMRCA radar spec was "only" 130km for 5 sqm.
Dogfight

 

[Ammyy]

Interesting that the MMRCA radar spec was "only" 130km for 5 sqm.
Dogfight

That was minimum criteria for MMRCA candidates ... We will get AESA with out rafale

 

[Storm Force]

Russian engines have good T/W ratio giving excellent agility ie mig29 & flankers.

BUT HIGH MAINTENANCE and poor spares supplies issues exist.

THIS IS WHY despite RUSSIA offering to support the LCA programme the indians went with USA engines and israeli technology in cockpit.

It also explains why MMRCA went to europe

 

[MastanKhan]

We will still have some 75 odd F-16's with Block-52 standard capabilities after three years...18 of them will have their internal jammers and extended range via the CFT's.

Hi,

A stitch in time---saves nine----does than mean anything to you. Does time have any factor in the lives of pakistanis----You people ought to be embarrassed by making these statements----.

The battle has already been lost---it is just a rear guard action---. From a position of strength---you want to fight from a position of weakness----what's gone wrong with you people---.

 

[MastanKhan]

It must be money.

Hi,

No it wasn't-----at that time paf had analysed that the pak india peace deal was affirmative---it would be a waste to spend that money on fighter aircraft---.

Otoh india was extremely concerned that with all the american and european markets opening up to pakistan's weapons purchase---india would have another setback. If pak purchased 4th + gen air craft on a fast track---india will be in a terrible position---that is why they were pushing for peace.

It was all about the timing---wars are all about the timing---Napoleone lost his battle by 1 minute---the japanese admiral Yamamoto lost it by what 15 minutes to 1/2 hour or an hour----that is the time it would have taken to replace the bombs with torpedoes on the air craft carriers---.

Between 2002 to 2005 pakistan was the cream puff to the world----since 2007 it has become trash dumpster.

 

[Tempest II]

That was minimum criteria for MMRCA candidates ... We will get AESA with out rafale

Even that, I was expecting they would require a minimum of maybe 180km or maybe 120/130km for targets less than the 5sqm.

 

[VCheng]

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Between 2002 to 2005 pakistan was the cream puff to the world----since 2007 it has become trash dumpster.

What an abject failure of Pakistani policies!

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

A stitch in time---saves nine----does than mean anything to you. Does time have any factor in the lives of pakistanis----You people ought to be embarrassed by making these statements----.

The battle has already been lost---it is just a rear guard action---. From a position of strength---you want to fight from a position of weakness----what's gone wrong with you people---.

You should feel proud making these statements from your position..
We make these statements after sanctions, Corruption, mismanagement...
What do you want MK?
whining?
You want us to write a sob story all the time..
Oh woe with uS!
Oh woe with us poor pakistanis!
what sorrows , what mistakes we have made..
We have no money.. we had it then.. oh how (many of us who were 13 year olds when this decision was made ) we could have prevented this decision through our coercive powers of democracy.
OH woe woe woe..
we will be thrashed by India in the air.
Oh we men of constant sorrows.

 

[MastanKhan]

What an abject failure of Pakistani policies!

Hi,

Actually it is the failure of the pakistani public----. They are the ones responsible of the failure of the state policies.

 

[Donatello]

Isn't the KLJ 7 Radar onboard JF-17 capable of detecting 3m2 target at about 75km??? So 5m2 target should be detectable at 100km? No???

I am interested in JF-17 getting a good radar, ECM suite and of course....more hard points!!

Incorrect...

Pakistan changes F-16 plan, ASIA PACIFIC...

From Jane's Defence
Pakistan changes F-16 plan - Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan has scaled down its plan to buy Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter aircraft, choosing to seek a mix of old and new platforms in place of 77 new aircraft.

Visiting Washington in late April, a Pakistani ministerial delegation told US officials that Islamabad aims to purchase 18 new F-16C/D fighters and 36 second-hand F-16A/Bs.

That is in May 2006.

The 18 new F-16s have been delivered, along with 14 used. That leaves 22 more used ones. Possibly 14 more from US Navy. That leaves 8 more. Where will the 8 come from?

 

[Tempest II]

Isn't the KLJ 7 Radar onboard JF-17 capable of detecting 3m2 target at about 75km??? So 5m2 target should be detectable at 100km? No???

I am interested in JF-17 getting a good radar, ECM suite and of course....more hard points!!

Some KANWA article (interview with PAF somebody) from a few week ago , on the KLJ-7 says 130km for a fighter sized target!

 

[MastanKhan]

You should feel proud making these statements from your position..
We make these statements after sanctions, Corruption, mismanagement...
What do you want MK?
whining?
You want us to write a sob story all the time..
Oh woe with uS!
Oh woe with us poor pakistanis!
what sorrows , what mistakes we have made..
We have no money.. we had it then.. oh how (many of us who were 13 year olds when this decision was made ) we could have prevented this decision through our coercive powers of democracy.
OH woe woe woe..
we will be thrashed by India in the air.
Oh we men of constant sorrows.

Hi Oscar,

You guys are writing sob stories all the time---you guys have enemies coming out of the wood works---you guys have the world gone against you all the time---you are always the victim.

You had the united states by the ballz----they were desperate---they were cornered---they had nowhere to run to, except to get help from you---and you people screwed that up as well---untill and unless you people don't get to admit it as a nation----there is no forward motion for you.

That is the first step forward---with sincerety in your heart---admit to your short comings wihtout any rhetoric and sarcasm and then start to make amends----.

Pakistanis are the most suitable candidates for the ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS 9 steps program.

 

[DARKY]

Isn't the KLJ 7 Radar onboard JF-17 capable of detecting 3m2 target at about 75km??? So 5m2 target should be detectable at 100km? No???

I am interested in JF-17 getting a good radar, ECM suite and of course....more hard points!!

If you have AWACS systems then detection is not much of a issue here but I would like to know what is the tracking range of KLJ-7 for a 3m2 target If its maximum detection range for a 3m2 target is 75km(manufacturer generically quote maximum detection ranges).. Since at the end of it its the KLJ-7 which need its missile to ride on the pencil beam which paints the aircraft.

 

[TAC]

Hi,

A stitch in time---saves nine----does than mean anything to you. Does time have any factor in the lives of pakistanis----You people ought to be embarrassed by making these statements----.

The battle has already been lost---it is just a rear guard action---. From a position of strength---you want to fight from a position of weakness----what's gone wrong with you people---.

You are the last person who should be telling people to be embarassed about their statements -- aren't you the one who said Pakistanis lack intelligence, do not have the balls to talk to white folk and said Pakistan was stupid for not buying 100 F-16 BLOCK 52's in 2002---- when the country had barely 3 months imports worth of foriegn exchange reserves??? Or even better your little gem that Pakistan had so much money after 9/11 that it didn't know where to spend it -- and then failing to provide a single source to confirm this nonesense. Perhaps you are the one who should be embarrased???

Given Pakistans limited resources in comparison to its far larger nieghbour it has always had to fight from a position of weakness. Its policy of 'minimum credable detterance' is extremely sensible and absolutely the correct path. Don't know which war you think is already lost -- but Pakistans aim is to deter any aggression at minimum cost and in that it continues to succeed.

 

[TAC]

Hi Oscar,

You guys are writing sob stories all the time---you guys have enemies coming out of the wood works---you guys have the world gone against you all the time---you are always the victim.

You had the united states by the ballz----they were desperate---they were cornered---they had nowhere to run to, except to get help from you---and you people screwed that up as well---untill and unless you people don't get to admit it as a nation----there is no forward motion for you.

That is the first step forward---with sincerety in your heart---admit to your short comings wihtout any rhetoric and sarcasm and then start to make amends----.

Pakistanis are the most suitable candidates for the ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS 9 steps program.

More irrelevant dribble!! Whats all this 'you guys' 'you guys'? So Pakistan had the US 'by the ballz' did it?-- tell me was that at the same time as the US was telling Pakistan that it would bomb Pakistan back to the stone age if it didn't co-operate? Funny way of showing Pakistan had them by 'the ballz'!!! Did Pakistan have the US by 'the ballz' in the same fantasy world where Pakistan had so much money it didn't know where to spend it??-- seriously which planet do you actualy live on?

Before preaching to Pakistan to face upto its shortcomings - how about you admit to the nonesense that you keep posting. Given the unbeleivable stupidity of your posts perhaps you should be the first to book yourself in for ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS 9 steps program.