JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[Tempest II]

No news of WMD-7 integrated in Pakistani Version.

Please check here: Trade Registers . Pakistan has ordered 100 WMD-7 pods, one for each of the JF-17s. 45 were already delivered end of 2011.

Check it says

((50) C-802/CSS-N-8 Anti-ship missile (2008) 2010-2011 (30) For JF-17 combat aircraft
(750) LS-3 Guided bomb (2008) 2010-2011 (150) For JF-17 combat aircraft
(750) LS-6 Guided bomb (2008) 2010-2011 (300) For JF-17 combat aircraft
(750) LT-2 Guided bomb (2008) 2010-2011 (150) For JF-17 combat aircraft
(2) SLC-2 Arty locating radar (2008) 2010 (2) For use with A-100 MRL
(100) WMD-7 Aircraft EO system (2008) 2009-2011 (45) For JF-17 combat aircraft

 

[PakShaheen79]

Najam Khan, Will you comment on JF-17 crash that it was not a bird strike but rather it was structural failure?

I have some serious reservations on JF-17 weapon integration. When there was Weapon and Avionic integration prototype, then why not all the weapons were tested and integrated on it rather they started actual integration when JF-17 achieved FOC and got inducted in PAF and 2-2.5 years has passed and still some weapons like Ra'ad has not been integrated on JF-17. What's taking them so long to integrate things?

P.S. Quoting my friend....."JF-17 Prototype 3 mango dayny key liye rakha howa tha? "

Sir,

There can be lots of factor involved here.

1. PAF's satisfaction with SD-10's initial version. We saw SD-10A development started in 2009-10. This played a major role in delay of integration of SD-10.

2. Changes were made in KLJ radar set to be fit in FJT. Remember, air-frame and avionics design work was de-linked by PAF to accelerate the design phase of the jet. PAF, initially, was looking for the Western avionics. the decision for going with Chinese avionics was made lately.

3. No body knows, on which prototype weapon integration was done. No one has that kind of information with 100% authenticity.we know that 802-A are being tested and integrated on 06 in China.

4. Ra'ad has been integrated. At least below shown pic depicts this way

5. Last but not the least, it is not necessary the results always come according to our liking. Sometimes, reiteration of design work happen in such technical phase.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Its not a troll, Its bitter pill we must take. "Last Hope" gave an example of F16 evolution, he told that F16 evolved over year, but he forgot that F16 was best (in its class) from the day it roll out from LM.

Where as in next 5 year your FC1 and our LCA will not reach the level of Grippen.

Having said that I agree that both projects have give good knowhow to there respective country and both are equally capable of neutralize threats.

Sorry to say but F-16 Roll out of General Dynamics for the first time not LM.
Second F-16 was never the best from the start but it was the better then its competitor YF-17, on key points such as smaller, more smart, Equally agile and powered by a single engine. Then there were several upgrades and minor structural and timely avionical changes to meet the actual combat requirement that are known as Blocks http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article3.html.

JF-17 is in Block-1 State where F-16 was in initial days. Several F-16 Block-1 that were capable of carrying dumb bombs, IR Missiles and AGM-65 were later upgraded to later Blocks when they were introduced. Now, when JF-17 B2 will be introduced, Block-1 after living half of their lives will be upgraded to same level. While in operational Status, Block-1 will educate for possible Structural / Electronical Changes in Block-2 That they experienced while operating the machine.

F-16 First flight 1972 - Production 1976 - Block-5/10 (Second Block) 1980-81 (More weapons integration)
JF-17 First Flight 2003 - Production 2007 - Block-II (Second Block) 2012 (More weapons integration)

unlike LCA.

 

[Manticore]

Keep LCA out , guys. This is a jft thread

 

[Donatello]

Its not a troll, Its bitter pill we must take. "Last Hope" gave an example of F16 evolution, he told that F16 evolved over year, but he forgot that F16 was best (in its class) from the day it roll out from LM.

Where as in next 5 year your FC1 and our LCA will not reach the level of Grippen.

Having said that I agree that both projects have give good knowhow to there respective country and both are equally capable of neutralize threats.

First rule of PDF discussions,

You don't put LCA and FC-1 in the same sentence.

One has been fully inducted in 2 squadrons, seen active combat service and more squadrons on the way while the other is still a dream and yet to reach full operational status.


Stop trolling or i'll have to spam MODs with reporting your post.

 

[alimobin memon]

First rule of PDF discussions,

You don't put LCA and FC-1 in the same sentence.

One has been fully inducted in 2 squadrons, seen active combat service and more squadrons on the way while the other is still a dream and yet to reach full operational status.


Stop trolling or i'll have to spam MODs with reporting your post.

No offense But lca looks Mirage 2000 indian version with minor modifications and now that u will say Jf17 is copy of mig33 .... bro it maybe was but now its totally different thing

 

[Insaan]

Please check here: Trade Registers . Pakistan has ordered 100 WMD-7 pods, one for each of the JF-17s. 45 were already delivered end of 2011.

Check it says

Doesnt the WMD-7 Pod look somewhat like Thales?

What is the difference between the two?

Its not a troll, Its bitter pill we must take. "Last Hope" gave an example of F16 evolution, he told that F16 evolved over year, but he forgot that F16 was best (in its class) from the day it roll out from LM.

Where as in next 5 year your FC1 and our LCA will not reach the level of Grippen.

Having said that I agree that both projects have give good knowhow to there respective country and both are equally capable of neutralize threats.

Inferiority complex....

 

[Tempest II]

When we are expecting twin engine and wider wings, more power more load more kickin india

That will not be called a JF-17!

 

[Last Hope]

When we are expecting twin engine and wider wings, more power more load more kickin india

Isn't that the second time in two days you are asking the same question?
Did you not read the reply, that PAF will not induce any twin-engine in atleast six years.

 

[aamerjamal]

Now you are trolling...'active compat service'..!! I know my this post will get deleted. thump ur chest more...

its fact they used (although in limited operations) for war in terror.

 

[aamerjamal]

Please check here: Trade Registers . Pakistan has ordered 100 WMD-7 pods, one for each of the JF-17s. 45 were already delivered end of 2011.

Check it says

((50) C-802/CSS-N-8 Anti-ship missile (2008) 2010-2011 (30) For JF-17 combat aircraft, but images for integration on PT6 comes in late 2011. why PAF buy even b4 integration.

 

[aamerjamal]

Engines are supplied by russians, avoinices are also imported same weapons etc so why dont we speed up, 25 per year for a big nation like Pakistan is very very small numbers, may be 25 a month will be ideal

whole requirement is around 150-25, 25 / months means 6-10 months after that what u will do manufacturing plant, extra employees, also how PAF will able to induct that many jets in such a short time, pilots, crew staff training etc

 

[sancho]

"If you take in to account the things this jet provides you...it is indeed the best jet available in the market for its given cost"

JF 17 is the perfect fighter for PAFs low end needs, but the cost-effectivity has it's reasons! Compared to a Gripen C/D for example, the JF 17 has a clear cost-advantage, but also a clear capability disadvantage. Even compared to J10A with a lot of commonality with regard to weapons and techs, the J10 offers more, therefor costs more. At the end it depends on what an export customer needs to determine which fighter is the best for the given costs, because it's often not only technical reasons that decides export deals.

 

[abdulbarijan]

JF 17 is the perfect fighter for PAFs low end needs, but that the cost-effectivity has it's reasons! Compared to a Gripen C/D for example, the JF 17 has a clear cost-advantage, but also a clear capability disadvantage. Even compared to J10A with a lot of commonality with regard to weapons and techs, the J10 offers more, therefor costs more. At the end it depends on what an export customer needs to determine which fighter is the best for the given costs, because it's often not only technical reasons that decides export deals.

Correct!...but lets simply take in to account
-cost difference Vs. the capability difference...
While JF-17 might be inferior to J-10A or Gripen but
how much is the difference...(a whole generation difference??)
not exactly ..while those jets maybe superior but that superiority i believe isn't an overwhelming superiority like that between A Su-30 MKI or a Mig-21...
However when you look at the cost the cost advantage of JF-17 is indeed over whelming being alot cheaper than that of the fighters that offer the same capabilities..

 

[DrSomnath999]

can anyone give me info about HMD of JF 17 ????