Japan's Growing Naval Power: Japan building more Atago Class GM Destroyers

[j20blackdragon]

Japan is basically 127 million people crammed into a small archipelago with very little arable land, no natural resources, a pacifist constitution, and no nukes. Building more surface ships won't solve these fundamental problems. At the end of the day, you're still a small island and your opponents have nukes aimed at you.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan is basically 127 million people crammed into a small archipelago with very little arable land, no natural resources, a pacifist constitution, and no nukes. Building more surface ships won't solve these fundamental problems. At the end of the day, you're still a small island and your opponents have nukes aimed at you.

Japan isn't that tiny. We're actually quite 'LARGE' , and if we compare Japan to the United States, its about the entire Eastern Sea Board of the continental USA.

@SvenSvensonov , what you think? Not that "small" eh?

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Japan isn't that tiny. We're actually quite 'LARGE' , and if we compare Japan to the United States, its about the entire Eastern Sea Board of the continental USA.

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@SvenSvensonov , what you think? Not that "small" eh?

Not small at all, even larger when you consider that Japan has the world's largest EEZ! Lots of islands, not just the mainland, very expansive territory. And as for j20blackdragons analysis, it's soooooo wrong. An island nation needs ships, navies are the defense of an island. Look at island nations, they are historically strong naval powers, they have to be.

And on nukes. It matters little if they are pointed at Japan by another nation. Japan can go nuclear, it's a nuclear latent nations, it chooses not to. There is a little something called the "Japan Option", which basically means that Japan has all the means to go nuclear, it just opts not too. That will change if Japan finds war though. A single war will forever change public sentiment towards nukes.

 

[BoQ77]

Not small at all, even larger when you consider that Japan has the world's largest EEZ! Lots of islands, not just the mainland, very expansive territory. And as for j20blackdragons analysis, it's soooooo wrong. An island nation needs ships, navies are the defense of an island. Look at island nations, they are historically strong naval powers, they have to be.

And on nukes. It matters little if they are pointed at Japan by another nation. Japan can go nuclear, it's a nuclear latent nations, it chooses not to. There is a little something called the "Japan Option", which basically means that Japan has all the means to go nuclear, it just opts not too. That will change if Japan finds war though. A single war will forever change public sentiment towards nukes.

The fact that Japan and Taiwan cover most entrance to China port, China has no way to secretly deploy their navy without caught. That's why China put more money on Yulin base, Hainan.
And they meet US air surveillance there, even mid air collide to US EP-3

 

[Aepsilons]

The fact that Japan and Taiwan cover most entrance to China port, China has no way to secretly deploy their navy without caught. That's why China put more money on Yulin base, Hainan.
And they meet US air surveillance there, even mid air collide to US EP-3

Excellent map, @BoQ77 . Yes, The shear size of Japan's EEZ and the fact that the JMSDF covers every part of our maritime domain, means, that China is limited in its naval forays. In fact, in order for them to gain access to the Pacific, they must coordinate with JMSDF ships which are on patrol. Due to this reality, China's naval presence and maneuvers are mostly seen in the SCS.

 

[xunzi]

Which one of you say Russian navy is weak again? The Russian can **** you up with their nasty and monster submarine fleet! Everyone talk about Japan being the 2nd strongest navy is an idiot. The Russian is laughing behind you right now> LOL

 

[Aepsilons]

The fact that Japan and Taiwan cover most entrance to China port, China has no way to secretly deploy their navy without caught. That's why China put more money on Yulin base, Hainan.
And they meet US air surveillance there, even mid air collide to US EP-3

Here is a better view of our entire Maritime Domain:

Notice we have thousands of islands deep in the Southeastern regions of our maritime domain.

 

[Genesis]

Excellent map, @BoQ77 . Yes, The shear size of Japan's EEZ and the fact that the JMSDF covers every part of our maritime domain, means, that China is limited in its naval forays. In fact, in order for them to gain access to the Pacific, they must coordinate with JMSDF ships which are on patrol. Due to this reality, China's naval presence and maneuvers are mostly seen in the SCS.

That is not true, we had problems venturing far out, nothing to do with Japan.

Proof, we have circled Japan a quite few times during the last couple years, now that we fixed a lot of what's wrong with our navy.

Japan is basically 127 million people crammed into a small archipelago with very little arable land, no natural resources, a pacifist constitution, and no nukes. Building more surface ships won't solve these fundamental problems. At the end of the day, you're still a small island and your opponents have nukes aimed at you.

Japan is pretty big, but we must remember, there is only one China.

 

[BoQ77]

Which one of you say Russian navy is weak again? The Russian can **** you up with their nasty and monster submarine fleet! Everyone talk about Japan being the 2nd strongest navy is an idiot. The Russian is laughing behind you right now> LOL

As I see, Japanese never claimed the 2nd ranking. It must be Russia.
Russia is great because they are submarine supplier of Vietnam and China.

Btw, nice picture, pal !!!

 

[xunzi]

As I see, Japanese never claimed the 2nd ranking. It must be Russia.
Russia is great because they are submarine supplier of Vietnam and China.

Btw, nice picture, pal !!!

After Kilo, we no longer buy from our Russian friend.

 

[BoQ77]

After Kilo, we no longer buy from our Russian friend.

As I remember, Russia places the base stone for subs build for China. Only that is great already.
Kilo is another deal happened long time after the 1st sub built in China with Russia help incl. providing design. Or China developed their subs from dust?

The fact that China is still behind of Russia in subs technology.

 

[Aepsilons]

We don't like to flex our muscles publicly, but when we do, it is inevitable that some many be intimidated by our might.


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[BoQ77]

Yeah Japanese conquer the Pacific by their own aircraft carrier groups and processed air dominate, air attack to Hawaii over 70 years ago. Pre-WW2, Japanese fleet dominated Pacific ocean after defeated other big fleets of Russia and China.

I guess until now, China and Vietnam are unable to do the same.

 

[xunzi]

As I remember, Russia places the base stone for subs build for China. Only that is great already.
Kilo is another deal happened long time after the 1st sub built in China with Russia help incl. providing design. Or China developed their subs from dust?

The fact that China is still behind of Russia in subs technology.

WTF are you talking about? LOL What stone base? Stop making speculation. Our conventional sub got inspiration from Russian kilo, while our nuclear submarine got inspiration from an American toy model. Both are complete developed from scratch I thought someone taught you know that already? LOL

We are equal in conventional while Russian is about 5-10 years ahead in nuclear sub. By 2020s, we should be equal in both quality and quantity as we will introduce the more powerful 096!

 

[Aepsilons]

Yeah Japanese conquer the Pacific by their own aircraft carrier groups and processed air dominate, air attack to Hawaii over 70 years ago. Pre-WW2, Japanese fleet dominated Pacific ocean after defeated other big fleets of Russia and China.

I guess until now, China and Vietnam are unable to do the same.

Constructive policy, my friend. We now focus on constructive and stabilizing policy with all our partners.