Japan and Netherlands to Join US Effort to Tighten Chip Exports to China

[F-22Raptor]

Japan and the Netherlands have agreed in principle to join the US in tightening controls over the export of advanced chipmaking machinery to China, according to people familiar with the matter, a potentially debilitating blow to Beijing’s technology ambitions.

The two countries are likely to announce in the coming weeks that they’ll adopt at least some of the sweeping measures the US rolled out in October to restrict the sale of advanced semiconductor manufacturing equipment, according to the people, who asked not to be named because they are not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. The Biden administration has said the measures are aimed at preventing Beijing’s military from obtaining advanced semiconductors.

Japan to Join US Effort to Tighten Chip Exports to China

Japan and the Netherlands have agreed in principle to join the US in tightening controls over the export of advanced chipmaking machinery to China, according to people familiar with the matter, a potentially debilitating blow to Beijing’s technology ambitions.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[S10]

China can produce its own lithography equipment up to 28nm. China also imported enough DUV in the past 2 years to sustain 14nm and even 7nm production. Currently 32nm to 14nm chips have 90% of market share so it's not too concerning.

 

[Menthol]

China can produce its own lithography equipment up to 28nm. China also imported enough DUV in the past 2 years to sustain 14nm and even 7nm production. Currently 32nm to 14nm chips have 90% of market share so it's not too concerning.

It's the military application that is concerning.

It means that a couple of decades later, China will never be able to compete with USA military.

And the economy as well.

China is being blocked from becoming a great power, in the economy, tech, and military.

 

[antonius123]

It's the military application that is concerning.

It means that a couple of decades later, China will never be able to compete with USA military.

And the economy as well.

China is being blocked from becoming a great power, in the economy, tech, and military.

Military equipment doesnt require chip 28nm and below. So military will be just fine.

 

[kankan326]

Now China has enough reasons to teach Japan a hard lesson.

 

[Trango Towers]

The west has not learnt...
The best thing you can do to wake a nation up is sanction it

 

[Sam6536]

Now China has enough reasons to teach Japan a hard lesson.

Japan is under USA's protection so i dunno how that'll go
Plus Japan is overhauling its own military.
They may be small and weak atm but they shouldn't be underestimated imo. Japanese nationalism was a thing to be reckoned with in WW2, was just watching some documentaries on Kamikaze bombers.

 

[kankan326]

Japan is under USA's protection so i dunno how that'll go
Plus Japan is overhauling its own military.
They may be small and weak atm but they shouldn't be underestimated imo. Japanese nationalism was a thing to be reckoned with in WW2, was just watching some documentaries on Kamikaze bombers.

I didn't say China will start war to Japan. I mean China will punish Japan in economy sector. China is Japan's biggest customer.

 

[leviathan]

It's the military application that is concerning.

It means that a couple of decades later, China will never be able to compete with USA military.

And the economy as well.

China is being blocked from becoming a great power, in the economy, tech, and military.

lol couple of decades later....China will probably land on mars already...

 

[8888888888888]

Just reverse engineer the tech, US broke WTO trade rules so who cares. They can block exports from China but as we can see from the Russia Ukraine war any blockage to the US and their vassal nations means nothing to the Russian Economy since the rest of the world doesn't care.

 

[S10]

It's the military application that is concerning.

It means that a couple of decades later, China will never be able to compete with USA military.

And the economy as well.

China is being blocked from becoming a great power, in the economy, tech, and military.

Military grade chips do not require 7nm or below. Right now 32nm and 28nm are completely sufficient for those purposes, and both are well within China's capability to make.

The problem is cellphone, tablets and PC, where they need more cutting edge chips to stay ahead of competition. Fortunately for China and unfortunately for US, China consumes about 70% of chips produced so the market is huge. Even if US cut off advanced chip supplies and equipment, the demand is there to propel Chinese companies into the virtuous development cycle. SMIC already has the designs for 5nm but they can't put it into production yet. N+2 will only get to 7nm and it's not very efficient/economical.

Hopefully photonic chips will be the game changer.

 

[8888888888888]

Chinese companies can build advance chips but are lazy to do it because buying is easier, take less time and less troublesome.

 

[S10]

Chinese companies can build advance chips but are lazy to do it because buying is easier, take less time and less troublesome.

I don't blame them. The path of least resistance leads to most efficient operation where you can cut down production cost.

Now that the environment has changed, so will their practices.

 

[Dungeness]

“If you can't beat him, bite him, trip him, groin him, gang up on him."

 

[gambit]

Exclusive: China readying $143 billion package for its chip firms in face of U.S. curbs

China is working on a more than 1 trillion yuan ($143 billion) support package for its semiconductor industry, three sources said, in a major step towards self sufficiency in chips and to counter U.S. moves aimed at slowing its technological advances.

www.reuters.com

Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment Group Co Ltd (SMEE), China's only lithography company, can produce 90-nanometers chips, well behind that of the Netherlands' ASML, which is producing those as low as 3 nanometers.​

Remember, it can take as long as two yrs for a new product to become commercially accepted, and each tech node qualifies as a new product. What it means is that for China's indigenous litho equipment to catch up from node 90, each successive node will have to be qualified as 'commercially accepted' even if there is no contracted customers.