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Italian forces ignored a sinking ship full of Syrian refugees and let more than 250 drown.

ITaly is already doing so... 90% of Labors in South Italy, like agricultural fields are migrants... paid like slaves for 20h job..; and yet they still crying about it...
BTW most of Migrants coming to Italy do not stay there... Italy is ajust a transiting country...to get in FR/GER and UK...
Crying can be ignored. More importantly, the sanctuary should be isolated from other Italian communities. Border wall should be erected. Only Italians can go in and out freely. All refugees and immigrants need to apply immigration through proper legal channels to get into Italy and other European countries. This also helps avoid cultural clash due to sudden increase of immigrants.
 
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As for mass migration, obviously Europeans like to remain with their heritage. Sometimes it makes some of them racist. But, Italy is known to be important for Christianity and I'm sure Christians want it to remain a Christian nation in foreseeable future. That I agree with too, it's part of their history, culture, and played great role in Europe's fate. Muslims would be upset if Christians began mass migrating to Saudi Arabia, since I'm sure we want that to remain Muslim too. The history and significance is too important for both peoples.
Thank you!
 
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Crying can be ignored. More importantly, the sanctuary should be isolated from other Italian communities. Border wall should be erected. Only Italians can go in and out freely. All refugees and immigrants need to apply immigration through proper legal channels to get into Italy and other European countries. This also helps avoid cultural clash due to sudden increase of immigrants.

Man? where do you think those migrants are??? They are not in ITaly mainland... they are in an island near Libyan shore... Lampedusa... it's an open prison for all incoming migrants...

Did you tho' that migrants with they half broken boats will be ale to travel thousand of KMs??? Those migrants who get INSIDE Italian MAINLAND are already passed the "Legal Channel"...

Refugees usually get treated not so well by everyone, and no one is exempt here. Even if refugees get a place to stay, the locals are sometimes frustrated with them and treat them as second class. As regards to this migrating ship behavior, I'm against it for anybody. It's dangerous and should not be done just to get European citizenship. Doesn't matter who does it, even non-refugees have tried it. It's not a legal process either.

As for Italy, these migrants should have been saved then deported, never should we humans allow people to sink and die irregardless. And it makes it worse once circumstances of migrants are known. As for OP, Italy is a big player in your region, so it makes sense why you criticize them. I don't know the full extent of Italy's policies in North Africa so I'll leave that to you guys to discuss.

As for mass migration, obviously Europeans like to remain with their heritage. Sometimes it makes some of them racist. But, Italy is known to be important for Christianity and I'm sure Christians want it to remain a Christian nation in foreseeable future. That I agree with too, it's part of their history, culture, and played great role in Europe's fate. Muslims would be upset if Christians began mass migrating to Saudi Arabia, since I'm sure we want that to remain Muslim too. The history and significance is too important for both peoples.

Thank you!

Yeah The Roman EMpire said it too... Should we get them Jupiter back? Since it's bc of this "Ungodly "faith from Palestine, that Romans wanted to exterminate at that time...

Weak analysis... It has nothing to do with Religion... Since Most in EU are not religious anymore... THey are of Christan "CULTURE" but not of faith anymore...
The religious side is NOT even USED by the extremist side... the main word is " Job stealer" or " They bringing problems" or " Race"...

ANd one thing you forgot... Most of those Sub saharian/ central african migrants are of Christian faith... Sometimes ppl...
 
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Man? where do you think those migrants are??? They are not in ITaly mainland... they are in an island near Libyan shore... Lampedusa... it's an open prison for all incoming migrants...

Did you tho' that migrants with they half broken boats will be ale to travel thousand of KMs??? Those migrants who get INSIDE Italian MAINLAND are already passed the "Legal Channel"...
Thanks for the info. That island is way too tiny. Italy should reserve large enough area to make a free trade zone that can host hundreds of thousands. EU is only looking for solutions that temporarily thwart the influx. They should look for solutions that make use of the influx. Only the solution that benefits both sides can be long lasting. For example, if Italy is benefiting from it, why would the coast guard ignore the sinking boat? They ignore it because it is only work for them without any gain.
 
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Man? where do you think those migrants are??? They are not in ITaly mainland... they are in an island near Libyan shore... Lampedusa... it's an open prison for all incoming migrants...

Did you tho' that migrants with they half broken boats will be ale to travel thousand of KMs??? Those migrants who get INSIDE Italian MAINLAND are already passed the "Legal Channel"...





Yeah The Roman EMpire said it too... Should we get them Jupiter back? Since it's bc of this "Ungodly "faith from Palestine, that Romans wanted to exterminate at that time...

Weak analysis... It has nothing to do with Religion... Since Most in EU are not religious anymore... THey are of Christan "CULTURE" but not of faith anymore...
The religious side is NOT even USED by the extremist side... the main word is " Job stealer" or " They bringing problems" or " Race"...

ANd one thing you forgot... Most of those Sub saharian/ central african migrants are of Christian faith... Sometimes ppl...

I definitely know there is minority with racist angle to it. And what I meant in my post is the culture. I'm referring to the cultural heritage of Christianity in Italy. Faith isn't needed tor recognize it's significance, especially for them, the Europeans.
 
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Thanks for the info. That island is way too tiny. Italy should reserve large enough area to make a free trade zone that can host hundreds of thousands. EU is only looking for solutions that temporarily thwart the influx. They should look for solutions that make use of the influx. Only the solution that benefits both sides can be long lasting.

Most of EU countries need those cheap labor... they accepted them since decades... but with today problems around migrants , whatever it's ISIS or any extremism... ppl started to fear them and therefore pushed they country to step up...
But when the Syria conflict will be over and with everything around... that Migrant rethoric will be no more...it will be Back on Biz...with cheap labor...

I definitely know there is minority with racist angle to it. And what I meant in my post is the culture. I'm referring to the cultural heritage of Christianity in Italy. Faith isn't needed tor recognize it's significance, especially for them, the Europeans.

Why I told you that it has nothing to do with Culture or religion...it's bc... it has nothing to do with it for the great majority...

Give them jobs , for all with no worries for the future... and be assured they will speak no more of migrants... they will even let Mosques do the Adhan...
Read about France in the 60-70-80 (glorious day)... and you'll see...they even called for immigrants to come work... since it was full job for everyone... But problems started after this Glorious 30 years... when jobs started to disappear...

Like the jews in GERmany back in the days..;ppl always need a scapegoat...to lash their fear on it.. it's human...
 
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Most of EU countries need those cheap labor... they accepted them since decades... but with today problems around migrants , whatever it's ISIS or any extremism... ppl started to fear them and therefore pushed they country to step up...
But when the Syria conflict will be over and with everything around... that Migrant rethoric will be no more...it will be Back on Biz...with cheap labor...
The problem isn't with the cheap labor. Business always loves cheap labors. The problem is with EU welfare states. Immigrants of different cultures are always in conflict with welfare, which is supported by tax. Nobody likes to pay tax. It only becomes a little tolerable if taxpayers know the tax is spent on people like themselves. A dedicated free trade zone or special economic zone can help bring the benefit of cheap labor and avoid the welfare conflict.
 
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The problem isn't with the cheap labor. Business always loves cheap labors. The problem is with EU welfare states. Immigrants of different cultures are always in conflict with welfare, which is supported by tax. Nobody likes to pay tax. It only becomes a little tolerable if taxpayers know the tax is spent on people like themselves. A dedicated free trade zone or special economic zone can help bring the benefit of cheap labor and avoid the welfare conflict.

Look... THE MAJORITY of migrants that are LEGALY authorized to travel around EU... THE Majority of them WORK LEGAL JOBS... when I say majority ..it's in the 80% mark...

Therefore... if they are LEGALLY working... then THEY are ALSO PAYING their taxes... therefore paying ALSO for that WELFARE...
It's a misconception that a lot off ppl get around EU welfare fantasy...
EU citizen complain about having less welfare year after year and that's they"say" it's bc of migrants... BUT IT'S NOT!
Why? simple... Welfare Budget is being cut all around EU by THEIR OWN GOV... to be able to save money... not bc migrants are stealing or using it...

In France per exemple few years back...their was this problem with migrants taking all the welfare etc... But a report came up... and the result pushed EVEN the Extrem Right parties to DROP their WELFARE rethoric about it...

The report state that the main problem was bc of Budget saving from the gov... then MisUse of funds by the Welfare administration...then by Rising Drugs prices since years...and then by the increase of OLD ppl... With only those 3 thing, it's equal to 75% of Welfare budget...

The Migrants using it card... it's stated in 0.5% of the budget...
 
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Look... THE MAJORITY of migrants that are LEGALY authorized to travel around EU... THE Majority of them WORK LEGAL JOBS... when I say majority ..it's in the 80% mark...

Therefore... if they are LEGALLY working... then THEY are ALSO PAYING their taxes... therefore paying ALSO for that WELFARE...
It's a misconception that a lot off ppl get around EU welfare fantasy...
EU citizen complain about having less welfare year after year and that's they"say" it's bc of migrants... BUT IT'S NOT!
Why? simple... Welfare Budget is being cut all around EU by THEIR OWN GOV... to be able to save money... not bc migrants are stealing or using it...

In France per exemple few years back...their was this problem with migrants taking all the welfare etc... But a report came up... and the result pushed EVEN the Extrem Right parties to DROP their WELFARE rethoric about it...

The report state that the main problem was bc of Budget saving from the gov... then MisUse of funds by the Welfare administration...then by Rising Drugs prices since years...and then by the increase of OLD ppl... With only those 3 thing, it's equal to 75% of Welfare budget...

The Migrants using it card... it's stated in 0.5% of the budget...
I thought we were talking about refugees. No?
 
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What is the difference btw them for you?
Legal immigrants went through legal process to get in. Refugees thrust themselves in. Illegal immigrants came in illegal ways.

You can control the inflow of legal immigrants. Not so much with the other two.
 
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Legal immigrants went through legal process to get in. Refugees thrust themselves in. Illegal immigrants came in illegal ways.

You can control the inflow of legal immigrants. Not so much with the other two.

Refugees have almost a 100% chance to be "Legal" in the coming month... since if they have the Refugee status... they get the asylum card in EU...

Illigal migrants in the other hand... like African ones per exemple... it will be harder and even for a good part of them impossible to get a legal status. So for them...to be legal... they have either to marry a national... Having Kids on that soil... or stay in that country for a decades and + to be able to have a legal status... as being Legal Migrants.

And thos ILLEGAL migrants DO NOT HAVE WELFARE... only some sort of Basic Healthcare... if they are in a lucky EU country... Like UK/GER/FR and scandinavians one...
 
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Refugees have almost a 100% chance to be "Legal" in the coming month... since if they have the Refugee status... they get the asylum card in EU...

Illigal migrants in the other hand... like African ones per exemple... it will be harder and even for a good part of them impossible to get a legal status. So for them...to be legal... they have either to marry a national... Having Kids on that soil... or stay in that country for a decades and + to be able to have a legal status... as being Legal Migrants.
Such a generosity and such a cold-heart ignore only reveal the hypocrisy of Europeans. They present a welcoming face up front while resenting it behind the scene. If coast guards are rewarded for rescuing a refugee, I doubt they would ignore the sinking ship. I just hope the reward won't be so great that they start to invade Libyan coast.
 
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Such a generosity and such a cold-heart ignore only reveal the hypocrisy of Europeans. They present a welcoming face up front while resenting it behind the scene. If coast guards are rewarded for rescuing a refugee, I doubt they would ignore the sinking ship. I just hope the reward won't be so great that they start to invade Libyan coast.

Italians are already taking reward from Libya since few years...

They got quite interesting contracts to build infrastructure and the Italian Petrol coporation ENI already got few oil field running... and more to come... like those Def contracts and support...
Don't worry... Migrants are good for politics... but they don't mind having a big smile in the other side of the Sea... Like the US... jumping on the muslims card... but yet happy to get that cheap oil and def contracts from those "enslaved" Gulf monarchies... they get humiliated and yet they open their *** to their lords the US...

It's the same as everywhere... take what you can in the best manner possible...

But let put it right too... not all EU citizens are like that.. A great Majority are good ppl... but the bad one... keep screaming louder... but it starts to be over... around the area now... far rights are dying little by little
 
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