It’s time Gaza joinsEgypt

[AUz]

Why not?


It's not like Pakistan has headaches of her own or is sick being the butt of Arab radicalism for no benefit of her own.


Easy to say while munching on Kobe steaks with no stakes in the process...

Ok.

 

[cyphercide]

Ok.

Believe me, Arabs won't let your nation go till there is nothing left to be milked.

 

[Banu Umayyah]

Please shut your ****. The populations of the West Bank and Gaza derive mostly from the same population, namely Palestinian refugees of the 1948 war and ethnic cleansing campaign. Mainstream ethnography and history attest to that. You have no idea of what you're talking about.

Actually I do.
What makes a unique group of people?
Religion? Same.
Language? Same.
Genes? Same.
Geography? Same.
History? Same.
I am not saying that the populations of west bank & Gaza are different, I am saying that Jordanians and Palestinians are NOT different. Meaning there is no rational reason why they need to have their own independent country, specially given the fact that there is an entire country separating the two parts. BTW if modern Israel didn't exist, Palestine will most likely still not exist, as they would have been annexed or shared by Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

 

[RFS_Br]

Actually I do.
What makes a unique group of people?
Religion? Same.
Language? Same.
Genes? Same.
Geography? Same.
History? Same.

Egypt doesn't have the same history as Gaza, nor does Jordan with the West Bank. The Egypt-Gaza union lasted for a very small fraction of the history of both those regions, and the same is true of the West Bank-Jordan.

As for having same religion, same language, etc. -- well, you can say the same of Canada and the US: Except for francophone Québec, Canada and the US have similar cultures, they're both Protestant, English-speaking countries, and share a history of British settlement. So why doesn't Canada just relinquish its sovereignty and become one with the US, like you say Gaza should do with Egypt? Why doesn't Guatemala become one with Mexico, whether Guatemalans want it or not? And Colombia and Venezuela, why don't we force them to become one? And Peru and Bolivia? and Argentina and Uruguay? and France and Wallonia?

You see, the argument that you use to deny Palestinians their right to self-determination, can be applied against many other countries, including all those in the Arabian peninsula. Are you willing to defend this argument until its last consequences, or only in so far as it affects Palestinians?

 

[AUz]

Believe me, Arabs won't let your nation go till there is nothing left to be milked.

F Arabs. or anyone that intends harm to my nation.

 

[cyphercide]

F Arabs. or anyone that intends harm to my nation.

Wouldn't the same warrant an independent state ideology?

 

[Banu Umayyah]

Egypt doesn't have the same history as Gaza, nor does Jordan with the West Bank. The Egypt-Gaza union lasted for a very small fraction of the history of both those regions, and the same is true of the West Bank-Jordan

I wasn't just referring to the recent union between 48 an 67. Egypt, Palestine, and Jordan were united for 90% of the last 1500 years. During the Rashudin, Umayyed, Abbasid, Fatimyd, Saljouk Auyobed and Ottomon rule.

As for having same religion, same language, etc. -- well, you can say the same of Canada and the US: Except for francophone Québec, Canada and the US have similar cultures, they're both Protestant, English-speaking countries, with a history of British settlement. So why doesn't Canada just relinquish its sovereignty and become one with the US, like you say Gaza should do with Egypt? Why doesn't Guatemala become one with Mexico, whether Guatemalans want it or not? And Colombia and Venezuela, why don't we force them to become one? And Peru and Bolivia? and Argentina and Uruguay?

You see, the argument that you use to deny Palestinians their right to self-determination, can be applied against many other countries, including all those in the Arabian peninsula. Are you willing to defend this argument until its last consequences, or only in so far as it affects Palestinians?

I am not saying Palestinians should be forced into a union with Egypt or Jordan. I am just saying it makes much more sense if they do given the reason I listed above. Its entirely up to them of course to decide, just like all other people you listed who decided for independence and self determination.

 

[Kambojaric]

I wasn't just referring to the recent union between 48 an 67. Egypt and Palestain were united for 90% of the last 1500 years. During the Rashudin, Umayyed, Abbasid, Fatimyd, Saljouk Auyobed and Ottomon rule.

And yet Palestine has always been ruled as a separate province from Egypt. In Ottoman times for example, the central and southern parts came under the Sanjak of Jerusalem and northern parts under the Sanjak of Nablus. Misr was ruled as a seperate province with Gaza coming in Jerusalem and not in Sinai. Similarly during Ummayad/Abbasid Jund Filastin comprising Gaza and Jerusalem was a separate region within Bilad asSham.
From what I know the only Palestinian group that is very similar/same to the population of the Sinai are the Negev bediouns. As you say if the people of Gaza wish to be part of Egypt, then okay this can be considered, but i highly doubt that they want this.

 

[AUz]

Wouldn't the same warrant an independent state ideology?

Wait till any people's government come in Pakistan. Traitors are in power as we speak.

 

[Banu Umayyah]

Similarly during Ummayad/Abbasid Jund Filastin comprising Gaza and Jerusalem..

Do you have a source for this phrase?

 

[Kambojaric]

Do you have a source for this phrase?

Hope these help

A History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - Mark A. Tessler - Google Books
Journal of Palestine Studies - Caliber (Online service) - Google Books

 

[SOHEIL]

what the hell you guys smoking out there ???

 

[500]

Would be great but it has not chance to happen:

1) Egypt does not want 1.6 mln of additional population with lots of extremists.
2) Gazans dont want to live in Egypt which is much more poor than Gaza.

Egypt doesn't have the same history as Gaza, nor does Jordan with the West Bank.

As usual you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

Majority of Gazans are migrants from Egypt. They talk Egyptian Arabic. Culturally and genetically Gaza Arabs are much closer to Egyptians rather than to West Bank Arabs.

 

[Mootaz-khelifi]

Uh, Libya Tunisia and Egypt are different nations too....libya and Tunisia are at least full of Berbers, so perhaps union there.

First Tunisia is not the majority of barbarism but Arabs and Berbers are the majority of 98% and the rest of the Europeans and the Jews
Secondly do not get united with the state still tribe (Libya)
3rd we don't need there problems , tribes or oil we are the only Arab nation Has self-sufficiency in the life material

 

[Kambojaric]

Majority of Gazans are migrants from Egypt. They talk Egyptian Arabic. Culturally and genetically Gaza Arabs are much closer to Egyptians rather than to West Bank Arabs.

Can you back this up with some sources?