It Hurts Me To See Hinduism Going The Way Of Radical Islam

[Bibo]

Yes but my point was not about Sruti vs Smrti rather unlike Abhramic religions Sanaathana Dharma does not have a concept of God delivering the message to the prophet.

Sruti is silent about how the message was delivered to various Rishis except that they gained the knowledge through Tapas which may mean meditation, discovery and experience.

Sruti are revealed when the Rishi's reach a state of samadhi (higher consciousness) until the liberated state, or kaivalya, finally appears.

The Vedanga explains the practice of Yoga and the means to achieve samadhi and realize the Veda's for yourself.

 

[Hindustani78]

Interesting. So you are saying the idols that were destroyed in Arabia were idols of Hindu gods.

I knew that Mitanni was a Hindu Kingdom, but seems like Hinduism also had its presence in the Arabian peninsula.



Shiva was our first prophet, says Jamiat mufti

Not at all , The idols inside Kaaba were the statues of humans which includes Bal e Shamim, Lat, Manat, Uzza and none were related to Indus Valley Civilization but majority of them were linked to Greek Civilization.

People of Indus Valley Civilization worship the Supreme Creator ( Ishwar, Param Paitha Parweshwar ) and for the Prophets of Abrahamic Faith the term use for the supreme Creator is Illah , Rabbul Alameen.

There are lot of similarities between Islam and the religion of Indus Valley Civilization when it comes to the Supreme Creator, Angels/Dev, Jinn/Asuras, Houris/Apsaras.

There are thousands of Angels in Islam and there are four important angels .

"The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from smokeless fire, and Aadam was created from that which has been described to you (i.e. in the Quran, which is clay)." [Muslim]

"The Messenger of Allah

saw Jibreel in his true form. He had six hundred wings, each of which filled the horizon, and there were multi-coloured pearls and rubies falling from his wings."

"Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels messengers with wings - two, or three, or four (pairs) adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things." [35:1]

This is indicated by the conversation between Ibrahim, the "friend" of Allah, and the angels who visited him. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"Then he turned quickly to his household, brought out a fatted calf, and placed it before them. He said, ‘Will you not eat?’ (When they did not eat), he conceived a fear of them. They said: ‘Fear not,’ and they gave him glad tidings of a son endowed with knowledge." [51:26-28]

Then Prophet Ishmael was born and Prophet Abraham sacrificed lamb instead of his son.


(1) Jibreel and (2) Mikail

"Say: Whoever is an enemy to Jibreel - for he brings down the (revelation) to your heart by Allah’s will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings to those who believe -
Whoever is an enemy to Allah, and His angels and prophets, to Jibreel and Mikail - Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject faith." [2:97-98]

(3) Israfil

From Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn ‘Awf, who said: "I asked ‘Aishah, the Mother of the Believers, about what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) used to start his prayer with when he got up to pray at night (qiyam al-layl). She said: ‘When he got up to pray at night, he would start his prayer (with the words): ‘O Allah, Lord of Jibreel, Mikail and Israfil, Creator of heaven and earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You are the Judge of the matters in which Your slaves differ; guide me with regard to disputed matters of truth by Your permission, for You guide whomever You will to the straight path.’" [Muslim].

(4) Malik

He is the Keeper of Hell, as Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): "They [the people in Hell] will cry: ‘O Malik! Would that your Lord put an end to us!’" [43:77]

(5) Munkar and (6) Nakeer

From Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: ‘When the deceased is buried (or he said: when one of you is buried), there come to him two blue-black angels, one of whom is called Munkar and the other Nakeer.

(7) Haroot and (8) Maroot

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
". . . and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Haroot and Maroot . . ." [2:102]
". . . and none can know the forces of your Lord, except He. And this is nothing other than a warning to mankind." [74:31]

Their powers
The angels have great powers given to them by Allah, including the following:

The ability to take on different forms. Allah has given the angels the ability to take on forms other than their own. Allah sent Jibreel to Maryam in the form of a man, as Allah says:
". . . Then We sent to her Our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects." [19:17]

Many other ahadeeth (report) refer to the angels taking human forms, such as the hadeeth (report) about the one who killed a hundred, in which it says ". . . there came to them an angel in human form . . ." and the hadeeth about the blind man, the bald man and the leper.

Their duties
Among the angels is one whose task it was to convey the revelation from Allah to His Messengers; this is al-Rooh al-Ameen, Jibreel, upon whom be peace. Allah says:

"Say: whoever is an enemy to Jibreel - for he brings down the (revelation) to your heart by Allah’s will. . . " [2:97]

"Which the trustworthy spirit has brought down,
Upon your heart, that you may be (one) of the warners." [26:193-194]

Another is responsible for rain, directing it wherever Allah wishes. This is Mikail, upon whom be peace. He has helpers, who do what he tells them, by the command of his Lord; they direct the winds and clouds, as Allah wills.

Another is responsible for blowing the Trumpet, which will be blown by Israfil at the onset of the Hour (the Day of Judgement).

Others are responsible for taking people’s souls: these are the Angel of Death and his helpers. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): "Say: ‘the Angel of Death, put in charge of you, will (duly) take your souls, then shall you be brought back to your Lord.’" [32:11] There is no proof in any saheeh hadeeth (authentic report) that his name is ‘Azrail.

Some of them are the keepers of Paradise. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"And those who kept their duty to their Lord will be led to Paradise in groups, till, when they reach it, its gates will be opened and its keepers will say: Salamun ‘alaikum (peace be upon you!). You have done well, so enter here, to abide therein." [39:73]

Some of them are the keepers of Hell, the "guards of Hell", whose number is nineteen and whose leader is Malik, upon whom be peace. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened. And its keepers will say, ‘Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, - reciting to you the verses of your Lord, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?’ They will say: ‘Yes, but the word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!’" [39:71]

"Then, let him call upon his council (of helpers),
We will call the guards of Hell (to deal with him)!" [97:17-18]

"And what will make you know exactly what Hell-fire is?
It spares not (any sinner), nor does it leave (anything unburnt)!
Burning the skins!
Over it are nineteen (angels as guardians and keepers of Hell).
And We have set none but angels as guardians of the Fire, and We have fixed their number only as a trial for the disbelievers - in order that the People of the Scripture may arrive at a certainty and the believers may increase in faith . . ." [74:27-31]

"And they will cry: ‘O Malik (Keeper of Hell)! Let your Lord make an end of us.’ He will say: ‘Verily you shall abide forever.’" [43:77]

‘Allah has heard what your people said and how they responded to you. He has sent the Angel of the Mountains so that you can tell him to do to them whatever you want.’ The Angel of the Mountains called me and greeted me, then said: ‘O Muhammad, tell me what you want me to do. If you want, I can crush them between two mountains.’" The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "All I hope for is that Allah will bring forth from their loins people who will worship Allah alone and not associate any partner with Him." [al-Bukhari].

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I think your iq is too low to understand why i am using ishwar as username

You have a God Complex

 

[takeiteasy]

You cant expect us to allow pagan idols in Arabia, they were destroyed over a millenia ago for a reason

Rightwing Hindus believes and propagates that "it" is a Shiva Temple which they will re-capture from Muslims. RSS also wants to achieve Hindu Ummat.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...ed-in-Saudi-Arabia/answers/21295516?srid=dJ5p

In some RSS Sakhas, they teach Islam as Paischachika Dharma and the followers as Mlechcha. While, some other Sakhas especially in Malabar region teaches them that Muslims are a Shaivite sect of Hinduism. Very confusing even for Swayamsevaks.

Remember someone was arrested in Saudia for blasphemy. Guess from where that Shiva temple idea is propagated? RSS :
https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpres...heading-for-posting-image-offensive-to-islam/

Is this all hinting towards the "God" which Hinduism and Islam see are the same? That Islam is also a Dharmic religion with external features of Abrahamic (Jew+Christian), while at the core, Sanatana Dharma.

 

[Hindustani78]

it was all paganism of one sort or the other

Upon the will of God it was ended,we can't allow pagan idols back now can we

There is huge difference between Angels and Jinns . Jinns/Asuras have to give account to the supreme creator similar like Humans . Iblis is Jinn/Asura who have taken oath to destroy the humankind.

Angels and Asuras are having life of thousands of years. Jinns/Asuras are made of fire where as Angels/Dev are made of light.

 

[Hindustani78]

Just as I thought. Religious person who believes in outlandish mumbo-jumbo trying hard to engage with the real world. First get rid of all the religious nonsense clogging your brain, and you may then have some hope. Have a good day.

Whatever Science , we are having its from the religious texts which have been revealed from the Supreme Creator.

Indian Space Programme is having full knowledge of ENT as Indian Scientists are assisted by Dharm Gurus and Ulemas.

You really dont understand how much Indian, Egyptians and Arabs are aware about Jinns/Asuras and Angels/Dev. Where is Arsh e Maula and what is the importance of Haikal Sulaiman and what is the importance of Kailash Mansarovar.

 

[hussain0216]

None of the idols which were during the time of Prophet Muhammed Pbuh inside Kaaba have anything to do with Indus Valley Civilization.

Pagan idols are pagan idols and God has forbidden and condemned as a heinous crime this idolatry

There is huge difference between Angels and Jinns . Jinns/Asuras have to give account to the supreme creator similar like Humans . Iblis is Jinn/Asura who have taken oath to destroy the humankind.

Angels and Asuras are having life of thousands of years. Jinns/Asuras are made of fire where as Angels/Dev are made of light.

Your doing that crazy thing again where you are trying to establish a link between islam and the hindus paganism

please stop this mushirk behaviour

 

[Hindustani78]

@EgyptianAmerican let me make one thing very clear to you. Worshipiing of idols and pictures of god is a very important and integral part of Hinduism. Muslims dont worship idols and we have no problem with that. However for us idol worship is religion. So if someone is practicing hinduism he will worship idols.

Infact you can ask many Pakistanis. They feel Hindus are a "lowly religion" becuase we are idol worshippers.

Ergo if a country prohibits worshiping of idols it means that the country does not allow practicing of hindu religion

You asked to name which Muslim country does not encourage practice of other religion and all Indians named Saudi Arabia becuase of its restrictions against Idol Worship.

This is my last try to explain to you why Saudi Arabia prohibits Hinduism. As others have said "Denial is not just a river in Egypt"

I disagree with you here because the early sages of Indus valley Civilization Maha Rishi Agastya, Atri, Bhardwaja, Gautam, Jamadagni, Vashista and Visvamitra use to sit and do meditation and chant the name of the Supreme Creator.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

I was secular for long time, but Now I believe India should become Hindu republic for few decades. No one blames Pakistan or saudi for being Islamic. Why would anyone question or blame India for doing the same ? If enough Hindus petition UN for a plebiscite for Hindu republic. We should dare Kashmiris to get independence, its the Kashmiris who should be afraid of India becoming a Hindu republic....

 

[salarsikander]

Islamists follow some form of justification for their violence using writtengs in Quran or Mohameds teachings, while Hindus can not, believes are so diverse like roots comming under one tree. the strength of Hinduism is unity from diversity .

the gau raksaks don't share any religious objective to save cows , infant most hindus don't even view cows as the north belt does . cows are said to be the first animals to be created that's by brahma , that's about it, that's why its sacred. this is why non-bhramin can eat any meat . this is why gau raksaks mentality wont spread

First of there's no such thing as islamist so stop using g that term
It's combination of Islam and terrorist. This term wasn't there 10 years ago.

Secondly the ones that are killing under the name of Islam are khwarij. They can't even recite kalimah. Bunch of politically deprived people seeking attention by using the name of Islam. As for Hindus the diversity in religion will create problem. As those Hindus will try to force their views on others which others don't believe. BJP is sowing the seeds and saplings are sprouting leaves already. This tree will grow and become strong g with its roots firm then you will knowmwhat I am talking about

 

[Hindustani78]

Pagan idols are pagan idols and God has forbidden and condemned as a heinous crime this idolatry



Your doing that crazy thing again where you are trying to establish a link between islam and the hindus paganism

please stop this mushirk behaviour

Why dont you see the evolution and the reasons behind Idols ?

When other nations started to enter Indus Valley Civilization and adopted the religion of Indian nation and started proclaiming lands of Indian nation , this making of idols started which was to preserve thier religion.

Your doing that crazy thing again where you are trying to establish a link between islam and the hindus paganism

please stop this mushirk behaviour

Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think. (16:69)

Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are those that are deaf and dumb and do not reason. (8:22)

And He lays abomination upon those who do not reason. (10:100)

 

[paritosh]

First of there's no such thing as islamist so stop using g that term
It's combination of Islam and terrorist. This term wasn't there 10 years ago.

Secondly the ones that are killing under the name of Islam are khwarij. They can't even recite kalimah. Bunch of politically deprived people seeking attention by using the name of Islam. As for Hindus the diversity in religion will create problem. As those Hindus will try to force their views on others which others don't believe. BJP is sowing the seeds and saplings are sprouting leaves already. This tree will grow and become strong g with its roots firm then you will knowmwhat I am talking about

This kind of selective isolation is a classic defense mechanism that muslims are known to trigger whenever questioned about some ridiculous aspects of what they practice.
Are you seriously saying that Abu-Bakr couldn't recite the kalimah? Heck I can recite it.
Wahabis and salafis claim to be an authority on the religion and millions accept that.
As far as forcing of views and practices and organized religions is concerned, completely with you, it's not just hindus but no religion should do that.

 

[hussain0216]

Why dont you see the evolution and the reasons behind Idols ?

When other nations started to enter Indus Valley Civilization and adopted the religion of Indian nation and started proclaiming lands of Indian nation , this making of idols started which was to preserve thier religion.

Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think. (16:69)

Surely the worst of beasts in God's sight are those that are deaf and dumb and do not reason. (8:22)

And He lays abomination upon those who do not reason. (10:100)

Islam as a deen was perfected for us, idols are idolatry and shirk

the monkey balls in the subcontinent has nothing to do with islam

dont talk to Muslims about evolution of idols
dont talk to Pakistanis about indus Civilization

 

[paritosh]

Islam as a deen was perfected for us, idols are idolatry and shirk

the monkey balls in the subcontinent has nothing to do with islam

dont talk to Muslims about evolution of idols
dont talk to Pakistanis about indus Civilization

Not all Indians know how Islam can be construed to be a total free speech killer.

 

[hussain0216]

Not all Indians know how Islam can be construed to be a total free speech killer.

There is free speech

Then there is comparing monotheistic Islam with idol worship from the subcontinent