Israel's planned annexation of the Jordan Valley: While Muslims World at large has no Counter Plan!

[Nasr]

Israel is about to annex Palestinian Territories and here they are so called Muslim Countries fighting for the sake of power in the region. They have completely forgotten the reality that once Israel annex Jordan valley, they are next.

How can we unite this Muslim world, when every single Muslim Country has it's own priorities, their own interests? Why don't they realize that divided we will fall and we have fallen every time when we forgot who we really are? we are not separate to each other because we are never known by the names of our Countries but by our Religion Islam. Why their is a Khilafat Concept in Islam? Because it unites the entire Muslim Ummah!

Alas! no matter how far we go, these Idiots will always run after their personnel interests. I mean every single leader in Muslim world is after his/her own survival & that is either next election or ruling a Nation.

And Israel is wining on every single front. Even Iran has made a deal with US and Israel that they will not resist on Israel annexation of Jordan valley. In return sanctions will be lifted.

Pakistan is busy with it's own Internal and external issues, Covid-19 and Kashmir Issue. Turkey too is engaged in Libya, Syria and Iraq. Lebanon and Hisbollah are also engaged in Syria. Who else is left? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? UAE? Bangladesh? Indonesia that has never raised a voice against Israel? Malaysia?

I wish our Military could stand up and unite all these Idiots either by hook or by crook. Unfortunately, we, all the Muslims are heading towards our own destruction, and their is no one who could stop it.

Annexation of the West Bank isn't the trigger point, the destruction of Masjid Al-Aqsa and Qubrat-ul-Sakhra to build their so-called Temple Mount, is. Governments of the Muslim World aren't the ones who will do anything to challenge the illegal, illegitimate, criminal, fascist state of israel. They (the governments of the Muslim World) will only crumble in the wake of such devastating news. It is the Muslim masses themselves which will rise to challenge the the illegal state of israel.

 

[Falcon29]

@simple Brain

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Where do you get these numbers, seems like they are adding West Bank and Gaza together to inflate the number. Gaza GDP per capita is around 850$ and that is due to Qatar funding salaries for civil servants/government employees in Gaza. Same case in West Bank, lots of jobs are funded by US/EU/Arab states, that's where much of PA budget comes. Also lots of Palestinians in West Bank work for Israeli companies or in Israel. Palestinians have smaller population than other nations as well. There are lots of factors for this.

I don't know who told you they need to have 100$ gdp per capita to be considered in difficult situation. OP is speaking as a Muslim not as a Pakistani. He just happen to care for this issue and probably many other ones as well. State of Pakistan or any other Muslim state can't and not gonna do much. And they are not to blame, have a lot on their plate as well. However, these issues still gonna be raised on forums like these.

Israel isn't killing them. Way to overreact. It's just annexing the area. The residents will be given Israeli citizenship I suppose. 20% of Israel's population is composed of Arabs who stayed back in 1948 and opted for citizenship. Ask them, they seem to be living a much better life than their counterparts in Syria and Lebanon.


Muslim people will ignore the thousands of people in their countries who die of hunger and lack of medical resources but fuss over Palestine. As if it means the end of the world.

They will not be given citizenship actually. Muslims fussing over Palestinian is mostly people trying to score cookie points or wannabe activists or people wanting to exploit Palestinian cause to advance their agenda. You're right we have lots of issues in Muslim world that need to be addressed and they are being addressed, even if there is no noise about it.

Quality of life is related to form of governance too, Palestinians will have a good quality of life as they have educated populace and good governance if Israel wasn't there.

Muslims aren't gonna do anything for Palestine though, only local people of region will liberate it and that will be for strategic purposes during the Mahdi's reign.

 

[simple Brain]

I don't agree with what Israel is doing but what do you expect Pakistan to do? We are fighting against a 7× larger enemy who has the full backing of the West and Russia. The Palestinians themselves as well as Saudi Arabia, UAE and other Arab states are supporting the indians and not us. As Pakistanis we no longer have a place in involving ourselves in the issues of the Middle East.

I'm currently working on the entire article which would strategically explain it how is it feasible to counter Israel.
But first of all I must correct you here that this isn't the issue of Middle East of Arabs alone, as I said earlier, this is the common issue of every single Muslim living in this world. There are thousands of examples that I can provide, however, I do not want to stretch it out.

Yes you are right that we are fighting with the 7× larger enemy than us. We have our own domestic issues, however, if we can train 15-20 thousands soldiers for the protection of CPEC, can't we train only 8000 soldiers for covert or overt operations in middle east? The problem is that we wait for too long for our enemy to come to our door steps and we never convince ourselves that enemy is an enemy whether he is thousands of miles away or next door, you must engage yourself with your enemy all the time. (By the way it was Israel that convinced US that since Pakistan has the Nuclear weapons now we must get rid of Pakistan, since they couldn't do it in an open war they had to find a way to penetrate inside Pakistan in order to destroy us and what happened after that is all available to you, and still Israel is planing to destabilize Pakistan, It has helped India extensively over the last decade to so)

Now look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, (I do not want to mention Israel as Israel is far more thoughtful in taking its fight to the enemy's door step than Iran and Saudi Arabia are) they have their own strategic interests and for that they have done everything that they could in order to achieve that, who tried to toppled Afghan Taliban at first place? It was not Israel and USA that convinced Saudi Arabia but it was Saudi Arabia that Convinced US and Israel that it will destroy Taliban because the Saudis were frightened of Mullah Omer since Muslims around the world started to call him the Ameer ul Momeen, and where does Ameer Ul Momeen belongs to? Madina or Makkah you can find it out yourself. He implented sharia law successfully, no matter how much hatred you have against Taliban, anyone who lived in the times of Taliban said that their Islamic Law system was excellent, and no one dared to thought of a crime.(I can explain that later on if you want to)

Now if we talk about Iran, Iran too helped Americans (not realizing at that time that it will backfire badly one day) in toppling Saddam Hussain. Iran is still messing with Saudi Arabia (by the way Saudi Arbaia, Bahrain, UAE, Oman are all together in this) in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen.

Now the argument has been left to one thing only and that is that the Countries I have mentioned has a gigantic amount of funds for those operations. On the contrary Pakistan is extremely poor Country. Yes I agree that we are indeed a poor Country, however have we ever tried to even look around for the allays? A very powerful allays? I will give you an example here, Qatar helped Turkey and Iran financially in Syria, Yemen and Iraq, there were few other Countries too and I do not want to mention the name here.

The problem is not the money, problem is willingness. All you need is a faith and a commitment towards your Religion, if we don't do it who will?

We do have mile markers in different military bases around Pakistan that gives you exactly the glimpse of how far Delhi and Jerusalem is. They are not there to educate People that how far these two cities are, they are there to remind every soldier that what his or her destiny is.

Annexation of the West Bank isn't the trigger point, the destruction of Masjid Al-Aqsa and Qubrat-ul-Sakhra to build their so-called Temple Mount, is. Governments of the Muslim World aren't the ones who will do anything to challenge the illegal, illegitimate, criminal, fascist state of israel. They (the governments of the Muslim World) will only crumble in the wake of such devastating news. It is the Muslim masses themselves which will rise to challenge the the illegal state of israel.

And I do not deny that, why do you think I am here and I had to write this small piece? My sole intention is to reach out to those who are loyal to Islam, and being as a Muslim that their loyalty is not limited only to their own Country. This era is not all about Pakistan or Iran or Turkey or Afghanistan or any other Muslim Country, this era is an era of Muslims Unification.

 

[Falcon29]

I'm currently working on the entire article which would strategically explain it how is it feasible to counter Israel.
But first of all I must correct you here that this isn't the issue of Middle East of Arabs alone, as I said earlier, this is the common issue of every single Muslim living in this world. There are thousands of examples that I can provide, however, I do not want to stretch it out.

Yes you are right that we are fighting with the 7× larger enemy than us. We have our own domestic issues, however, if we can train 15-20 thousands soldiers for the protection of CPEC, can't we train only 8000 soldiers for covert or overt operations in middle east? The problem is that we wait for too long for our enemy to come to our door steps and we never convince ourselves that enemy is an enemy whether he is thousands of miles away or next door, you must engage yourself with your enemy all the time. (By the way it was Israel that convinced US that since Pakistan has the Nuclear weapons now we must get rid of Pakistan, since they couldn't do it in an open war they had to find a way to penetrate inside Pakistan in order to destroy us and what happened after that is all available to you, and still Israel is planing to destabilize Pakistan, It has helped India extensively over the last decade to so)

Now look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, (I do not want to mention Israel as Israel is far more thoughtful in taking its fight to the enemy's door step than Iran and Saudi Arabia are) they have their own strategic interests and for that they have done everything that they could in order to achieve that, who tried to toppled Afghan Taliban at first place? It was not Israel and USA that convinced Saudi Arabia but it was Saudi Arabia that Convinced US and Israel that it will destroy Taliban because the Saudis were frightened of Mullah Omer since Muslims around the world started to call him the Ameer ul Momeen, and where does Ameer Ul Momeen belongs to? Madina or Makkah you can find it out yourself. He implented sharia law successfully, no matter how much hatred you have against Taliban, anyone who lived in the times of Taliban said that their Islamic Law system was excellent, and no one dared to thought of a crime.(I can explain that later on if you want to)

Now if we talk about Iran, Iran too helped Americans (not realizing at that time that it will backfire badly one day) in toppling Saddam Hussain. Iran is still messing with Saudi Arabia (by the way Saudi Arbaia, Bahrain, UAE, Oman are all together in this) in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen.

Now the argument has been left to one thing only and that is that the Countries I have mentioned has a gigantic amount of funds for those operations. On the contrary Pakistan is extremely poor Country. Yes I agree that we are indeed a poor Country, however have we ever tried to even look around for the allays? A very powerful allays? I will give you an example here, Qatar helped Turkey and Iran financially in Syria, Yemen and Iraq, there were few other Countries too and I do not want to mention the name here.

The problem is not the money, problem is willingness. All you need is a faith and a commitment towards your Religion, if we don't do it who will?

We do have mile markers in different military bases around Pakistan that gives you exactly the glimpse of how far Delhi and Jerusalem is. They are not there to educate People that how far these two cities are, they are there to remind every soldier that what his or her destiny is.

Pakistan has gov't which makes decisions brother and there is no opportunity at the moment to assist in this regard. ME region is still going through transformation phase and it will take turn for the better but not at the moment. Those who see reason to support the good change at the time it happens will do so without needing to consult people on PDF. It's simply matter of God's decree/will.

And I do not deny that, why do you think I am here and I had to write this small piece? My sole intention is to reach out to those who are loyal to Islam, and being as a Muslim that their loyalty is not limited only to their own Country. This era is not all about Pakistan or Iran or Turkey or Afghanistan or any other Muslim Country, this era is an era of Muslims Unification.

Mu'mins do not need to convince each other that they are brothers/sisters. Mu'mins can be across the world from each other and never meet once and die in that state but will be grouped together on judgement day. Those who obey God will obey him and those who don't will meet their fate. God help you in your efforts.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I'm currently working on the entire article which would strategically explain it how is it feasible to counter Israel.
But first of all I must correct you here that this isn't the issue of Middle East of Arabs alone, as I said earlier, this is the common issue of every single Muslim living in this world. There are thousands of examples that I can provide, however, I do not want to stretch it out.

Yes you are right that we are fighting with the 7× larger enemy than us. We have our own domestic issues, however, if we can train 15-20 thousands soldiers for the protection of CPEC, can't we train only 8000 soldiers for covert or overt operations in middle east? The problem is that we wait for too long for our enemy to come to our door steps and we never convince ourselves that enemy is an enemy whether he is thousands of miles away or next door, you must engage yourself with your enemy all the time. (By the way it was Israel that convinced US that since Pakistan has the Nuclear weapons now we must get rid of Pakistan, since they couldn't do it in an open war they had to find a way to penetrate inside Pakistan in order to destroy us and what happened after that is all available to you, and still Israel is planing to destabilize Pakistan, It has helped India extensively over the last decade to so)

Now look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, (I do not want to mention Israel as Israel is far more thoughtful in taking its fight to the enemy's door step than Iran and Saudi Arabia are) they have their own strategic interests and for that they have done everything that they could in order to achieve that, who tried to toppled Afghan Taliban at first place? It was not Israel and USA that convinced Saudi Arabia but it was Saudi Arabia that Convinced US and Israel that it will destroy Taliban because the Saudis were frightened of Mullah Omer since Muslims around the world started to call him the Ameer ul Momeen, and where does Ameer Ul Momeen belongs to? Madina or Makkah you can find it out yourself. He implented sharia law successfully, no matter how much hatred you have against Taliban, anyone who lived in the times of Taliban said that their Islamic Law system was excellent, and no one dared to thought of a crime.(I can explain that later on if you want to)

Now if we talk about Iran, Iran too helped Americans (not realizing at that time that it will backfire badly one day) in toppling Saddam Hussain. Iran is still messing with Saudi Arabia (by the way Saudi Arbaia, Bahrain, UAE, Oman are all together in this) in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yemen.

Now the argument has been left to one thing only and that is that the Countries I have mentioned has a gigantic amount of funds for those operations. On the contrary Pakistan is extremely poor Country. Yes I agree that we are indeed a poor Country, however have we ever tried to even look around for the allays? A very powerful allays? I will give you an example here, Qatar helped Turkey and Iran financially in Syria, Yemen and Iraq, there were few other Countries too and I do not want to mention the name here.

The problem is not the money, problem is willingness. All you need is a faith and a commitment towards your Religion, if we don't do it who will?

We do have mile markers in different military bases around Pakistan that gives you exactly the glimpse of how far Delhi and Jerusalem is. They are not there to educate People that how far these two cities are, they are there to remind every soldier that what his or her destiny is.

Trust me, they don't want our help. Palestinians on average are more than twice as rich and prosperous compared to the average Pakistani. They enjoy a much higher standard of living than Pakistanis do. Poor, impoverished Pakistanis are in NO POSITION whatsoever to help the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter. Pakistanis cannot even help themselves and you want them to help the Palestinians who are FAR more richer and well off than Pakistanis are..........

Also, the Palestinians and Arabs are pro-indian and support india. Tells you what they REALLY think of Pakistan and Pakistanis.

Israel is NOT the enemy of Pakistan. Israelis have killed or harmed 0 Pakistanis. Pakistan has killed or harmed 0 Israelis.

The ONLY brothers and sisters Pakistan has is Turkey and China. THAT'S IT. NO ONE else.

The only enemies of Pakistan is india and indians. Pakistan CAN ONLY concentrate on fighting them. NO ONE ELSE. THAT IS THE REALITY.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Under the guise of Corona a whole lot of other international secret society goals will be achieved as well.

Israel is about to annex Palestinian Territories and here they are so called Muslim Countries fighting for the sake of power in the region. They have completely forgotten the reality that once Israel annex Jordan valley, they are next.

How can we unite this Muslim world, when every single Muslim Country has it's own priorities, their own interests? Why don't they realize that divided we will fall and we have fallen every time when we forgot who we really are? we are not separate to each other because we are never known by the names of our Countries but by our Religion Islam. Why their is a Khilafat Concept in Islam? Because it unites the entire Muslim Ummah!

Alas! no matter how far we go, these Idiots will always run after their personnel interests. I mean every single leader in Muslim world is after his/her own survival & that is either next election or ruling a Nation.

And Israel is wining on every single front. Even Iran has made a deal with US and Israel that they will not resist on Israel annexation of Jordan valley. In return sanctions will be lifted.

Pakistan is busy with it's own Internal and external issues, Covid-19 and Kashmir Issue. Turkey too is engaged in Libya, Syria and Iraq. Lebanon and Hisbollah are also engaged in Syria. Who else is left? Saudi Arabia? Qatar? UAE? Bangladesh? Indonesia that has never raised a voice against Israel? Malaysia?

I wish our Military could stand up and unite all these Idiots either by hook or by crook. Unfortunately, we, all the Muslims are heading towards our own destruction, and their is no one who could stop it.

 

[simple Brain]

Pakistan has gov't which makes decisions brother and there is no opportunity at the moment to assist in this regard. ME region is still going through transformation phase and it will take turn for the better but not at the moment. Those who see reason to support the good change at the time it happens will do so without needing to consult people on PDF. It's simply matter of God's decree/will.

Our Governments not Pakistan's in Particular Muslims world as a whole are an utterly a sham. And apparently you know that too, What I described above wasn't the sentiment of our Government but what our Armed forces think. Over the course of many years I have met with many soldiers from different Islamic Countries and the opinion of a soldier always differ than the opinion of a Politician. Ask yourself this; why is it that US Congress or democrats gets more of retired military personals as a Politicians? And that why is it that Putin is so successful in obtaining Russia's moral back to where it was back in 60's and 70's? Why is it that President Xi knows exactly how to tackle International and domestic politics while almost each and every Muslim leader lags behind?

Mu'mins do not need to convince each other that they are brothers/sisters. Mu'mins can be across the world from each other and never meet once and die in that state but will be grouped together on judgement day. Those who obey God will obey him and those who don't will meet their fate. God help you in your efforts.

I am not here to convince my Muslims brothers or sisters. I am here to convey my message not only those civilian Muslims but our Military leaders around the world. And you are right brother Muslims can be across the world from each other yet they will one day grouped together for a Judgment day, but tell me this brother, are you ready to answer Allah SWT that you have done everything you could in order to protect your Muslim brother and sisters around the world? or you simply avoid the idea that Allah SWT will never ask you question regarding this at all? Leaving alone your brother and sisters in a state of misery is a crime that Allah SWT will never let go, we all will be questioned for this on the judgement day, just make sure everyone of us is prepared for that.

Trust me, they don't want our help. Palestinians on average are more than twice as rich and prosperous compared to the average Pakistani. They enjoy a much higher standard of living than Pakistanis do. Poor, impoverished Pakistanis are in NO POSITION whatsoever to help the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter. Pakistanis cannot even help themselves and you want them to help the Palestinians who are FAR more richer and well off than Pakistanis are..........

Brother brother brother, believe me it's not all about Arabs or Palestinians or other Nation, I am talking about much larger picture, what do you think, if Israel successfully annex Jordan valley, would it stop there? You think Israel's ambition is that small Jordan valley?

Also, the Palestinians and Arabs are pro-Indian and support india. Tells you what they REALLY think of Pakistan and Pakistanis.

What if they are? Afghans aren't? Have we kicked them out from our Country? Do you still think I am referring to only one race or a Country in a Muslim world?

Israel is NOT the enemy of Pakistan. Israelis have killed or harmed 0 Pakistanis. Pakistan has killed or harmed 0 Israelis.

Oh my brother, please open up your eyes, Israel consider us its enemy since it was illegally created. They have funded billions of dollars to destabilize us, have you not read about how Israel planned to destroy our Nuclear assets? https://www.indiatimes.com/news/ind...akistan-s-nuclear-plant-in-kahuta-270212.html
haven't you read the history that we have downed almost 17 fighter jets during Arab Israel war?

The ONLY brothers and sisters Pakistan has is Turkey and China. THAT'S IT. NO ONE else.

I am talking about our Religiously bound brothers and sisters. Chinese are our brothers in this world since we have common interests

The only enemies of Pakistan is india and indians. Pakistan CAN ONLY concentrate on fighting them. NO ONE ELSE. THAT IS THE REALITY.

, while rest of the Muslims brothers and sisters are our brothers and sisters because our Religions says so.
I hope you got the point because I have got yours.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Our Governments not Pakistan's in Particular Muslims world as a whole are an utterly a sham. And apparently you know that too, What I described above wasn't the sentiment of our Government but what our Armed forces think. Over the course of many years I have met with many soldiers from different Islamic Countries and the opinion of a soldier always differ than the opinion of a Politician. Ask yourself this; why is it that US Congress or democrats gets more of retired military personals as a Politicians? And that why is it that Putin is so successful in obtaining Russia's moral back to where it was back in 60's and 70's? Why is it that President Xi knows exactly how to tackle International and domestic politics while almost each and every Muslim leader lags behind?



I am not here to convince my Muslims brothers or sisters. I am here to convey my message not only those civilian Muslims but our Military leaders around the world. And you are right brother Muslims can be across the world from each other yet they will one day grouped together for a Judgment day, but tell me this brother, are you ready to answer Allah SWT that you have done everything you could in order to protect your Muslim brother and sisters around the world? or you simply avoid the idea that Allah SWT will never ask you question regarding this at all? Leaving alone your brother and sisters in a state of misery is a crime that Allah SWT will never let go, we all will be questioned for this on the judgement day, just make sure everyone of us is prepared for that.



Brother brother brother, believe me it's not all about Arabs or Palestinians or other Nation, I am talking about much larger picture, what do you think, if Israel successfully annex Jordan valley, would it stop there? You think Israel's ambition is that small Jordan valley?


What if they are? Afghans aren't? Have we kicked them out from our Country? Do you still think I am referring to only one race or a Country in a Muslim world?



Oh my brother, please open up your eyes, Israel consider us its enemy since it was illegally created. They have funded billions of dollars to destabilize us, have you not read about how Israel planned to destroy our Nuclear assets? https://www.indiatimes.com/news/ind...akistan-s-nuclear-plant-in-kahuta-270212.html
haven't you read the history that we have downed almost 17 fighter jets during Arab Israel war?



I am talking about our Religiously bound brothers and sisters. Chinese are our brothers in this world since we have common interests



, while rest of the Muslims brothers and sisters are our brothers and sisters because our Religions says so.
I hope you got the point because I have got yours.

The bigger picture is that we need to destroy the indian threat once and for all. Once that happens, everything else is possible. Who is going to help us do it?

 

[simple Brain]

The bigger picture is that we need to destroy the indian threat once and for all. Once that happens, everything else is possible. Who is going to help us do it?

And again brother I do not disagree with you that India is a bigger threat. In order to tackle India we do have a large sum of Armed forces deployed on our eastern border. If you read out what I said previously, was that all we need is 8000 well trained men in order to tackle with Israel's aggressiveness.

Alright, tell me how have we contained US and NATO in Afghanistan? Try to find it out someday and you will amazed to know that the strategy we implemented in Afghanistan have stunned Western world with an Aww! It's not an easy job to defeat two super power in your neighborhood without taking a credit of it. We will eventually when the right times comes, just like we did when the USSR collapsed.

 

[gangsta_rap]

I don't know who told you they need to have 100$ gdp per capita to be considered in difficult situation. OP is speaking as a Muslim not as a Pakistani. He just happen to care for this issue and probably many other ones as well. State of Pakistan or any other Muslim state can't and not gonna do much. And they are not to blame, have a lot on their plate as well. However, these issues still gonna be raised on forums like these.

It isn't that I am denying that palestinians are having their rights walked on
but to what degree? please falcon29 tell me with a straight face whether ramallah is in a more sorry state compared to quetta

 

[jericho]

If you are a Muslim

First fix the country. There are cities without proper cleaning system, garbage thrown on streets, flies all over, people living in dirt, forget about other people's problem for now

Not just that, millions of our poor/labor class working in countries without sufficient labor right and end up trapped in bad work conditions, many educated people end up driving taxis/survival jobs in developed countries because their skills are of no use in the country, think about all these before worrying about other people's problem

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

And again brother I do not disagree with you that India is a bigger threat. In order to tackle India we do have a large sum of Armed forces deployed on our eastern border. If you read out what I said previously, was that all we need is 8000 well trained men in order to tackle with Israel's aggressiveness.

Alright, tell me how have we contained US and NATO in Afghanistan? Try to find it out someday and you will amazed to know that the strategy we implemented in Afghanistan have stunned Western world with an Aww! It's not an easy job to defeat two super power in your neighborhood without taking a credit of it. We will eventually when the right times comes, just like we did when the USSR collapsed.

All pious Muslims need to destroy the indian threat once and for all. Once that happens, ALL OTHER issues can be resolved easily.

 

[simple Brain]

First fix the country. There are cities without proper cleaning system, garbage thrown on streets, flies all over, people living in dirt, forget about other people's problem for now

so according to you garbage and sanitation problem is more important for us right now than the Palestinian Issue? Your statement reminded me of a time in Baghdad when Hulagu Khan invaded Iraq and destroyed the entire Baghdad city at that very moment Muslims scholars were having a debate on a topic of "Which came first the egg or the chicken?"

 

[jericho]

so according to you garbage and sanitation problem is more important for us right now than the Palestinian Issue?

According to most sensible people unless they like to live in dirt

 

[simple Brain]

All pious Muslims need to destroy the indian threat once and for all. Once that happens, ALL OTHER issues can be resolved easily.

I reckon I must stop my debate here, since it is getting way too convoluted.

According to most sensible people unless they like to live in dirt

That's exactly the problem nowadays with us being Muslims, all we want to do is to live. No matter if we have to live under oppression we have to live, remember Allah SWT love dignified People, have a look at the Muslims around the world, Nations who have surrendered their dignity are suffering, Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria are the examples for you. Look at Iran, look at North Korea, look at Pakistan, they are standing because of their dignified decisions.