Islamic State release video showing beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians

[C130]

It would be interesting to hear where you get your numbers from.

it's a hunch, maybe Pew can do a study.

@C130

Let me disclose this to you that as a young boy i've gone through an extremist training camp and they tried hard to brainwash me.

I left it and educated myself in religion(s) over the years. My opinion after having seen them from within can be embodied by the word 'cult'.

These people are not fighting for Islam, they are fighting against it.

is this so. a extremist camp?? and how did you up in such a situation? has your family or teachers ever talked about extremist ideas?? i'm curious on how the youth end up in ISIL or any extremist group.

 

[ResurgentIran]

it's a hunch, maybe Pew can do a study.




is this so. a extremist camp?? and how did you up in such a situation? has your family or teachers ever talked about extremeist ideas?? i'm curious on how the youth end up in ISIL or any extremest group.

A hunch based on?

 

[Falcon29]

Mate, what I meant was when ISIS usually invade territories, they give a chance for the Sunni Muslims to pledge alliance whereas for the Shias, the only option is death unless I am wrong. @1000 can give us more information.

Seriously? There were few riots against Coptic Christians under Morsi's rule, even there was a famous video that filmed a group of muslims raping a coptic woman in a street (due to the policies on the site I can't post such news) but I don't think it had anything to do with Morsi or his Muslim Brotherhood. But that was not my point. When MB was overthrown, the demonstrators were accusing Christians and Jews, who had nothing to do with it of, causing it.

I meant to say 500 but that's the minimum number. My apologies for the typo. It should be somewhere in between 500-1500 which by the way is not a small number either.

She wasn't Coptic, she was raped by perverts. Egypt has very high sexual harrassment.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Serpentine

The identity of that lone wolf maniac that did those two shootings that killed 2 people in total is not known yet. Shouting Allahu Akbar (which every terrorist across the planet does) does not necessarily mean that you are an Arab. Besides Arabic is in the top 5 of most spoken languages in the world and millions of non-Arabs speak Arabic. Even if he was a second generation Dane of Arab (for instance Palestinian descent or Iraqi - most Arabs in Denmark are that) then so what? There are 450 million Arabs out there. Of course you will have terrorists among them, maniacs, idiots etc. like among any other people.

Mate, what I meant was when ISIS usually invade territories, they give a chance for the Sunni Muslims to pledge alliance whereas for the Shias, the only option is death unless I am wrong. @1000 can give us more information.

Seriously? There were few riots against Coptic Christians under Morsi's rule, even there was a famous video that filmed a group of muslims raping a coptic woman in a street (due to the policies on the site I can't post such news) but I don't think it had anything to do with Morsi or his Muslim Brotherhood. But that was not my point. When MB was overthrown, the demonstrators were accusing Christians and Jews, who had nothing to do with it of, causing it.

I meant to say 500 but that's the minimum number. My apologies for the typo. It should be somewhere in between 500-1500 which by the way is not a small number either.

Bro, you need to distinguish between radical Jihadists (supposed "Muslim") and the regular Muslim. It's very easy to paint everyone with the same brush especially if you already disagree with their religion.

Here in Denmark, after the attack yesterday, most politicians regardless of ideology, actually managed to make this distinction and not try to score any political brownie points by saying that all Muslims must be deported etc. Meanwhile some Danish civilians (emotional) started writing such bullshitt. Or saying that every single Muslim is a ticking time bomb forgetting that there are 300.000 Muslims in Denmark (vast majority of them valuable members of the Danish society) and such attacks never occurring before.

If you fall into that same trap then you are no different from those radical "Muslims" who when Westerners or Christians do something bad (for instance war crimes in Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) take their hatred out on the average innocent Joe who cannot even locate Afghanistan on a world map.

It's what I call an extremist viewpoint. Knowing both those world's I have not fallen into that trap.

Yes, they might be doing that (not sure if they do that everywhere - doubt it) but still the main victims are local Sunni Muslims. Not that there is a difference.

As you say for them everyone that does not support them is on the wrong path and an eligible target. You think that they would not have killed me long ago (I am a regular Sunni Muslim of the Shafi'i fiqh to be precise) if I even remotely had criticized them? Of course they would. They kill Daesh members who try to defect or who are not obeying orders 100% or who are asking questions. So of course they would do that.

My point is just that there are 10 million Christians in Egypt. Sure, they have their problems but most Egyptians consider them as fellow citizens and as Egyptian as the Muslims. 99% of them are secure too in their daily life's. I am sure that the Egyptian brothers here will confirm this;

@Mahmoud_EGY @Frogman @Amir_Pharaoh

They are not the main victims at all. This is a unprecedented attack and is aimed to create unrest between Muslim and Christian Egyptians. 90% of the violence in Egypt (less than 1000 people died last year) occur in Sinai and here 95% of the population like almost everywhere else in Egypt is Sunni Muslim.

It does not stop Ansar Bait al-Maqdis (Daesh affiliate today) from killing anyone that opposes them, Egyptian police and military etc.

Whatever the number then it's totally unacceptable. I do disagree with it not getting publicity though. I recall the news being everywhere on major news stations (international, ME, Arab) and several threads being made about it here on PDF alone.

The thing is that slavery, as bad as it is, is not as bad as being burned alive or getting killed.

Anyway what about those 1700, mainly Iraqi Shia Arab soldiers from Southern Iraq, who were killed by Daesh during the summer? This barely got any publicity.

 

[Kompromat]

is this so. a extremist camp?? and how did you up in such a situation? has your family or teachers ever talked about extremist ideas?? i'm curious on how the youth end up in ISIL or any extremist group.

In those days in the 90s it was common to have such camps. They were allowed to have open days in their madrassas. Those who were 'suitable' were sent to train in weapons and tactics.

Our schools were free of such stuff and our families looked at it as a good opportunity to learn to fight should a war break out because it was before we tested nukes and we used to live under permanent threat of mass invasion from India and its ally USSR.

They used to teach extremist thought etc. Me personally, i was more of a nationalist/patriotic type than a religious nutbag, so i never really 'fit in', then i just left and hated them since.

 

[Archdemon]

When they kill Muslims (which happen to be +95% of victims), it's 'internal violence' for you, when they kill Christians, it's a war between Islam and 'civilized' world. Media has turned majority of westerners in to sheeps.

2 days ago, a terrorist in U.S killed 3 Muslims in cold blood for their faith, first there was a complete blackout in western media and when they finally remembered those 3 have been murdered, they said it was a fight over a parking place! Fucking disgusting.

Today 2 persons killed in Denmark and minutes later, there was breaking news all over media: "TERROR IN Denmark". "A man speaking Arabic attacked innocent Jews. No we are not talking about Muslim terrorists at all, don't judge us".

We are basically leaving in a modern jungle in which 'civilized' countries happen to have cleaner bodies compared to third world animals. In this jungle, those clean animals represent the pigs in Animal Farm by Gearge Orwell.

Bullshit, how the fuсk you know the motive of US shooting? Just because victims are Muslim doesnt mean they were killed because they were Muslim.

 

[jamahir]

Most Tablighis are everyday pious Muslims.

that is the problem, you see.

this pious behavior comes at the cost of progress and internal peace... all these prayers, rituals, general oppressiveness has turned such societies into puppets controlled by non-muslim western governments.

i see tableeghis in india ( from where they originated )... zombies.

if you see many "muslims" in indian cities like bangalore or hyderabad, you will think you have come to some taliban controlled place.

I attended a camp by Harkt ul Jihad.

oh, direct armed training, i suppose.

be it huji or jemah or most such groups, they all started off as deobandis/tableeghis... deoband is the formal school and tableegh is the community-level school for either eventual graduating to armed groups or for generally spreading oppressiveness in societies.

Once you see them from inside, you'll come to despise and loathe them.

you were the thoughtful one... others are more easily brainwashed.

 

[SipahSalar]

One leaves family, home and friends to earn a living in a distant land, among foreign people, and then this happens....

 

[SenLin]

Damn, not one day without an atrocity committed by radical Muslims.
Yesterday in Denmark, today in France by desecrating hundreds of Jewish graves, Nigeria by using a female suicide bomber & now Libya by beheading Christians. In Germany, we had to cancel a carnival parade because Islamists planned an attack.

 

[Kompromat]

@C130

Your command failed to reintegrate the Bath'ist Army of Saddam, so where did they go?

ISIS is the former Army of Saddam with a blend of former Al-Qaeda and Western call of duty Jehadis who are flocking there. ISIS is so effective because Saddam's Army was raised in battle against Iran, Kurdish insurgency, capture of Kuwait, first and second gulf war....there you have it...

 

[al-Hasani]

that is the problem, you see.

this pious behavior comes at the cost of progress and internal peace... all these prayers, rituals, general oppressiveness has turned such societies into puppets controlled by non-muslim western governments.

i see tableeghis in india ( from where they originated )... zombies.

if you see many "muslims" in indian cities like bangalore or hyderabad, you will think you have come to some taliban controlled place.



oh, direct armed training, i suppose.

be it huji or jemah or most such groups, they all started off as deobandis/tableeghis... deoband is the formal school and tableegh is the community-level school for either eventual graduating to armed groups or for generally spreading oppressiveness in societies.



you were the thoughtful one... others are more easily brainwashed.

Nonsense. Most radicals have no clue about Islam. If they had and were God-fearing people they would not have done all those un-Islamic things like they have done. This action for instance has nothing to do with what Islam teaches. Or how 99% of all Muslims interpret and implement Islam in their daily life's.

Most radicals have little clue about Islam. Why do you think for instance that most people from the West who have joined Daesh (some say up to 2000 people from Europe have joined Daesh) are either very young, turned religious recently or converts?

[/QUOTE]

Why is it that barely any "Muslims" above the age of 40 (no matter where in the world) hate joined Daesh?

Many people that have joined Daesh are simply lost people, often young or teenagers, who are searching for a community to be part of, for a meaning with life, to have some power etc. Most often those are people with social, economic, education, psychiatric problems.

Look I believe that less than 10% of the 1.7 billion Muslims make all the 5 daily prayers. Prayers that in total take less than 45 minutes.

 

[Falcon29]

Damn, not one day without an atrocity committed by radical Muslims.
Yesterday in Denmark, today in France by desecrating hundreds of Jewish graves, Nigeria by using a female suicide bomber & now Libya by beheading Christians. In Germany, we had to cancel a carnival parade because Islamists planned an attack.

Europe/US should pull out of ME and not get involved in political affairs and let the Arabs deal with the problem.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

can you imagine Christians doing this to Muslims??
perverted and wrong. just how many people in the Muslims world support ISIS?? is it in the millions,tens of millions, or more??

yes... try africa... or the war crimes committed in Iraq,Afghanistan?

Nonsense. Most radicals have no clue about Islam. If they had and were God-fearing people they would not have done all those un-Islamic things like they have done. This action for instance has nothing to do with what Islam teaches. Or how 99% of all Muslims interpret and implement Islam in their daily life's.

Most radicals have little clue about Islam. Why do you think for instance that most people from the West who have joined Daesh (some say up to 2000 people from Europe have joined Daesh) are either very young, turned religious recently or converts?

Why is it that barely any "Muslims" above the age of 40 (no matter where in the world) hate joined Daesh?

Many people that have joined Daesh are simply lost people, often young or teenagers, who are searching for a community to be part of, for a meaning with life, to have some power etc. Most often those are people with social, economic, education, psychiatric problems.

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Look I believe that less than 10% of the 1.7 billion Muslims make all the 5 daily prayers. Prayers that in total take less than 45 minutes.[/QUOTE]

thats from Pak.

 

[Turkish_FR]

If I was a moderator on this forum, I would ban everyone who makes claims but cannot support their claims with strong evidences.

 

[Dr Gupta]

This is what happens when the dumb west govt interferes in the Middle East anyone missing Saddam and Gaddafi?

they divided India and caused partition where millions died and fucked up the ME what is next? thank god nobody lives in the artic or these white devils would also get their hands dirty there