Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force - Going Nowhere...

[Gold Eagle]

I understand about ban of weapons and other technologies, for prototypes F-7 Engine could be used or some derivative of it developed and sacrifice for things like its short span of life because iran is under long term sanctions.

Could you list Iranian turbo fan and turbo jet Engines currently under works.

There are not much details about them. Iran currently produces J85 engine which is used on Saegheh fighters. Also there is another program for an indigenous turbo fan engine which they didn't unveil it last year as they planed before, because of unknown reasons.

 

[Abii]

That is incorrect. Nuclear issue has been there for 10 years and the Western sanctions on Iran have been there for 36 years.

Those Western sanctions involved individuals, companies and specific entities. Comprehensive sanctions targeting banking, the military and the oil industry, and the general plan to cripple Iran's economy, only came about in the past decade due to the nuclear program.

@New I see that you thanked his comment. You need to know that you're both wrong.

 

[Faqir M. Abdullah]

not again .....

@Faqir M. Abdullah , my friend as much as i appreciate the nice gesture of worrying abt iranian air force , let me make some facts clear :

iran currently is working hardly on indigenous tech and has been doing so for the past 20yrs , the results are coming out one by one :

in UAV tech , iran has the upper hand in whole asia with 2 MALE UCAVs and numerous UAVs for different purposes .

in case of fighter jets , iran started with project azarakhs then step by step we went on ..... to Saeghe and ..., we are going to have Qaher and Shafagh 5th gen fighters unveiled in 2015 and 2016 respectively .

shafagh :

in case of missiles , upgraded AIM-53A+ missile named fakour and project maghsood are latest results with 300 and 500 km range respectively .

iranian air force has been relying on itself for the past 30 yrs and has worked really well .

you'll also witness increase in power in leaps and bonds in the next 2-5 years , due to the "soon-to-be-unveiled projects" that i told u abt .

somethings ppl should realize is that it will not make any difference if iran is sanctioned or not !!

we will not buy any fighter !! our strategy is building instead of buying !!

@TruthSeeker :

dumb A$$ there are enough iranian members here how will clear this thing for u :

GTFO !!!

dont u freaking worry abt iranians as far as politics and strategy is concerned ,

iran is doing US missionary style for its policies in ME .

how's that working for u ?

tai tai

Great!

I would disagree. While public rhetoric may show Israel as the main target, I have a feeling that the nuclear weapon option is much more open against Riyadh. The Saudis armed themselves with MRBM's specifically for the Iranians and hope that given enough "gifts" of dollars Pakistan would give a few of its older fission warheads to them for usage as they see fit. The Iranians for all their fist waving at the US are also the most natural ally the US could have in the middle east, surpassing even Israel. Given the chance I think the United states would jump in at a moderate Iranian regime giving a handshake of handing over the nukes in turn for its support in rebuilding Iran and rearming it against the Al-Qaida inspired(and saudi fed) militant wave spreading across the middle east.

On the topic. The IRIAF is going nowhere because its leadership are numbskulls. When pointless propaganda like the Qaher which was the laughing stock of the world is their supposed new vision. Then you can hand them all the JF-17s you want and they will still build some styrofoam model and claim it is a sub-orbital bomber.
Sad really, considering that it one point the R&D base in Iran was headed in the right direction with the Shafagh. Then they deteriorated to the Saeqeh.. and then finally the idiocy that is the Qaher. Now, Iran seems to be coming up with weapons that resemble that of video games rather than actual useful military hardware.

You have a point.

 

[SQ8]

tnx mate


no he doesnt , and he has no idea of what he is talking abt .

facts are facts . iranian air force has been in enough wars . in none of those wars they were less than winner .

pakistan for its turn , has failed to put an end to us drone strikes militarily .

And you have, why are you trying to compare Pakistan. Is that the best argument you have? Is the Iranian now reduced to trying to hide behind "victories" that it has faked and trying to compare itself?
What does Iran have today?
A Fiberglass joke of a model with Car audio fitted inside the cockpit?
A Sniper to kill helicopters by some miracle?
Copies of Drones that Iran as NO operational need of?

The fact is that Iran has reduced itself to a laughing stock of a defence industry from one great potential. You can say all you want about Pakistan, but that will all be off topic and shows your own insecurity and inability to defend your point of view. You know exactly how we deal with off topic posts, and you will be treated no different.

If you actually have some of the true Iranian guile and honesty , then come up with an actual technical argument on what iran has Achieved.

 

[SQ8]

The fact remains, that the IRIAF which was once the most feared airforce in the region is now struggling to keep its image thanks to the Mullahs ideals. Waving your fist against everybody and threatening to blow things up does not mean you are actually prepared for war. It is simply regional politics and a slumping economy that the US cannot afford another conflict. Moreover, the US has done the smart thing and let the Arabs go after the Persians. That rivalry is older than Sunni or Shia.

I have zero doubts that as of right now, the UAEAF is more than enough to take on the IRIAF given astute command.
If the IRIAF is ever to regain its old pride, it needs to dumb stupid ideas like the Qaher and copying a drone on the directions of Mullahs and stick to its well established base for manufacturing.
The F-14's are getting older and older and their airframes will need refurbishment or replacement. However, in light of the fact that Iran cannot be sold anything, it should then try first to focus on getting electronics online.. be it reverse engineering the AWG-9. After this, it needs to look at projects like the Shafaq and put all efforts into it. That means more Mullah nepotism will have to end. The right people with the right ideas. Projects like the Bavar need support, the Shafaq needs to be revived. And assistance sought from hook or crook to get the right things rolling instead of wasting time with fiberglass models fitted with a Pioneer deck system without even ipod support.

 

[New]

@New I see that you thanked his comment. You need to know that you're both wrong.

Dude, his way of defending Iran was thankable, wasn't it?
By the way you are right either, all the sanctions aside, these bunch of retards currently (I mean recent 30 years) in charge, are so much corrupted, that even in the case of no sanction the situation would be the same either.

 

[haman10]

And you have, why are you trying to compare Pakistan. Is that the best argument you have? Is the Iranian now reduced to trying to hide behind "victories" that it has faked and trying to compare itself?

woww!! cool down !! just pointed out to some facts ! no need to go ballistic and post articles in condemnation of my act

off-topic post huh ? my friend , do u remember why did u ban me abt 2 month ago ? wasnt it a thread i made for the same reason ? did i insult anyone there ? no i didnt

i actually appreciate you're nationalism , and TBH , if this forum was iranian and i was a moderator in it , i would have been much more harsher than u .

if anyone mentioned iran anywhere i would have permbanned them let alone deleting their post

now lets get back to business . FAKE victories ? which fake victory are u taking abt ? crashing the all-out supported army of saddam or air superiority that was maintained all over ME ? which ones fake ? lol

What does Iran have today?

enough to protect itself . enough that no one dares to think abt violating our air space . and believe me we are a bigger catch than other countries which are being violated i hope this was'nt off topic

A Fiberglass joke of a model with Car audio fitted inside the cockpit?

thats all u got ? arent u tired of that ? well i am !!

that sentence has been repeated and repeated for million times in the past years . with the huge and massive coverage by mainstream media .

a coverage that humanity has yet to see !! daily mail has 7 articles abt fake cardboard Qaher itself !! that says enough i think .

and the reason is clear , iran is the most powerful and progressive muslim nation , and they dont like that . its okey .... what abt u ? arent u a muslim ? huh ?

technically speaking , i've nothing to tell u till qaher is unveiled in 2015 . and i've said that a million times .

wait till 2015 , and see who u r taking to .

A Sniper to kill helicopters by some miracle?

R u trolling ?

Copies of Drones that Iran as NO operational need of?

our drone fleet needs no praising needed . just a google search is enough , it needs no promotion nor appreciation .

its one of the most capable fleets in world , with 2 MALE UCAVs and numerous other UAVs , it can speak fo itself and its a matter of pride .

now 2 points : 1- this is the first time i've heard someone saying that iran copies other UAVs and it shows the value of your post . its written out of anger and unfortunately jealousy .

this of course doesnt reply to sca eagle and RQ-170 , first one to humiliate US and the second one because of its ultimate high tech .

2- no operational need ?

Iran’s Drone War in Syria - The Daily Beast

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/world/middleeast/iran-iraq.html?_r=0

Iran's Surveillance Drones Over Iraq Make U.S. Military Wary : NPR

Watch Footage of an Armed Palestinian Drone Flying Over Gaza

Israel's military shoots down suspected Hezbollah drone | Fox News

Hezbollah expanding drone use to Syria and Lebanon - Israel News, Ynetnews

was that enough ?

now bear with me , cause i've got a lot more to say

If you actually have some of the true Iranian guile and honesty , then come up with an actual technical argument on what iran has Achieved.

i'm taking technically now , and i'm not going to repeat it .... i have a lot of work to do and i'm just doing this for U .

i expect u to understand that .

Mullahs ideals

the mullahs are democratically elected by ppl , thus their ideas are ours .we choose not to bow down to anyone . u r free to do so , as u have done it before

Waving your fist against everybody and threatening to blow things up does not mean you are actually prepared for war

we never waved our fist for anyone . all we do is trying to prove that we can defend ourselves .

the US has done the smart thing and let the Arabs go after the Persians

all we are seeing is that arabs are killing each other . iran is the safest country in ME thank to allah .

the UAEAF is more than enough to take on the IRIAF given astute command

i cannot argue with that crazy . i will never try to change that mentality . never .

john little has for his part voiced concern over iranian AF power but now pakistanis are trying to mock us thats like the end of world for us :|

The F-14's are getting older and older and their airframes will need refurbishment or replacement.

true . now you're taking some sense .
iran has overhauled F-14 airframes , software and hardware for several times . if u even think that F-14s would be flying without that after 35 yrs , i must say that u have lost ur mind .

let that alone , several modernization programs have undergone which keeps F-14s still an AWACs hunter .

F-14AM+

digitilized Radar , making it close to that of F-15's , new weapon system and .....

more info :

The Aviationist » Iranian F-14 Tomcat fighter jets get a modern “splinter” color scheme

Iran still operates some Tomcats that are being modernized to extend their operative life . Domestic upgrades include avionics, weapons (R-73E, AIM-54A+ “Fakkur”, AIM-54A, AIM-7E and AIM-9J are among the air to air missiles adapted to the aircraft’s fire control system) and color scheme: indeed the plane was give a three-tone Asian Minor II camouflage pattern resembling the one adopted by Russian 4th and 5th generation fighter planes and U.S. Aggressors.

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be it reverse engineering the AWG-9.

already done . AWG-9 cannot work without its whole parts being changed every 10 yrs .

After this, it needs to look at projects like the Shafaq and put all efforts into it

3 new fighter jets are going to be unveiled in 2015-2016 period :

1- Shafagh 5th gen fighter / trainer

2- Qaher

3- Azarakhsh

since u brought it up , a new picture of shafagh has been captured which will be posted by iranian members in the right time.

shafagh project has never been dead . thats why i said u know nothing about iran nor its AF .

u know nothing .

this plane will have its first public flight in abt 1 year

Projects like the Bavar need support,

my friend , all of these projects will be unveiled in no time .

have some faith in your brothers all of them will be unveiled in a 1-2 yr period .

that being said , iranian AD network needs no introducing either .

its as clear as crystal

 

[SQ8]

now 2 points : 1- this is the first time i've heard someone saying that iran copies other UAVs and it shows the value of your post . its written out of anger and unfortunately jealousy .

this of course doesnt reply to sca eagle and RQ-170 , first one to humiliate US and the second one because of its ultimate high tech .

2- no operational need ?

Iran’s Drone War in Syria - The Daily Beast

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/world/middleeast/iran-iraq.html?_r=0

Iran's Surveillance Drones Over Iraq Make U.S. Military Wary : NPR

Watch Footage of an Armed Palestinian Drone Flying Over Gaza

Israel's military shoots down suspected Hezbollah drone | Fox News

Hezbollah expanding drone use to Syria and Lebanon - Israel News, Ynetnews

was that enough ?

now bear with me , cause i've got a lot more to say

i'm taking technically now , and i'm not going to repeat it .... i have a lot of work to do and i'm just doing this for U .

i expect u to understand that .


the mullahs are democratically elected by ppl , thus their ideas are ours .we choose not to bow down to anyone . u r free to do so , as u have done it before



we never waved our fist for anyone . all we do is trying to prove that we can defend ourselves .


all we are seeing is that arabs are killing each other . iran is the safest country in ME thank to allah .



i cannot argue with that crazy . i will never try to change that mentality . never .

john little has for his part voiced concern over iranian AF power but now pakistanis are trying to mock us thats like the end of world for us :|


true . now you're taking some sense .
iran has overhauled F-14 airframes , software and hardware for several times . if u even think that F-14s would be flying without that after 35 yrs , i must say that u have lost ur mind .

let that alone , several modernization programs have undergone which keeps F-14s still an AWACs hunter .

F-14AM+

digitilized Radar , making it close to that of F-15's , new weapon system and .....

more info :

The Aviationist » Iranian F-14 Tomcat fighter jets get a modern “splinter” color scheme

Iran still operates some Tomcats that are being modernized to extend their operative life . Domestic upgrades include avionics, weapons (R-73E, AIM-54A+ “Fakkur”, AIM-54A, AIM-7E and AIM-9J are among the air to air missiles adapted to the aircraft’s fire control system) and color scheme: indeed the plane was give a three-tone Asian Minor II camouflage pattern resembling the one adopted by Russian 4th and 5th generation fighter planes and U.S. Aggressors.

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already done . AWG-9 cannot work without its whole parts being changed every 10 yrs .


3 new fighter jets are going to be unveiled in 2015-2016 period :

1- Shafagh 5th gen fighter / trainer

2- Qaher

3- Azarakhsh

since u brought it up , a new picture of shafagh has been captured which will be posted by iranian members in the right time.

shafagh project has never been dead . thats why i said u know nothing about iran nor its AF .

u know nothing .

this plane will have its first public flight in abt 1 year



my friend , all of these projects will be unveiled in no time .

have some faith in your brothers all of them will be unveiled in a 1-2 yr period .

that being said , iranian AD network needs no introducing either .

its as clear as crystal

The rest of the post is the usual "wet cat" defence, Ill move to the more technical ones. I suppose this is really not a copy then

Looks like a really original design. Yup.


Moving on, the rest of the MALE's are all good and dandy. But I wonder what the "original" RQ-170 has anything to do with Iran's operational needs?

Lets move to the F-14, those digitized airframes have a few more years of life in them. What after that?
Im glad the Shafaq is not dead but you cannot blame me for thinking that it is. Since there has been no news of it for a while and the only new thing to come out of Iran in terms of aircraft is the cardboard(oops I did it again) Qaher.

its better to focus on projects that actually do something. The Mig-29's upgrades seem to have stalled. There is a need to replace the F-4s. And the Shafaq which was to have flown back in 2008, has done nothing.
Your hopes of trying to compare with Pakistan are futile, there is no nationalism involved there. Both airforces have faced sanctions. One has all the prerequisites for modern warfare, while the other's public face is the .. damn it.. I cant help myself.. wait for it.. the Fiberglass aircraft(Qaher) that is aerodynamically flawed but stealthy somehow.

Perhaps if the propaganda machine in Iran(run by elected Mullahs) was to focus more on the digitization of the F-14 and the more practical achievements, people would not laugh at it so much.

 

[haman10]

Looks like a really original design. Yup.

as i said , except RQ-170 and scan eagle . but u didnt read my post , or u r deliberatly ignoring it . i dont care in either case :

now 2 points : 1- this is the first time i've heard someone saying that iran copies other UAVs and it shows the value of your post . its written out of anger and unfortunately jealousy .
this of course doesnt reply to sca eagle and RQ-170 , first one to humiliate US and the second one because of its ultimate high tech .

also , we would happily give this RQ-170 to pakistan and lets see if u can RE an screw of it

But I wonder what the "original" RQ-170 has anything to do with Iran's operational needs?

u r asking me what a long range advanced RECON drone will provide for iran ?

is that what u r asking ?

What after that?

what do ya mean ?

There is a need to replace the F-4s.

the F-4s are going to be replaced , but they are still serving in a number of fully advanced air forces . its a question of maintaining and upgrades .

The Mig-29's upgrades seem to have stalled

nope , russia has upgraded iranian MIG-29s before sanctions of 2007

And the Shafaq which was to have flown back in 2008, has done nothing.

shafagh is a 5th gen fighter . how can we possibly reach that tech before russia ?

shafagh was never going to be in skies before 2014 . and its going to do that in 1-2 yrs

I cant help myself

it is totally understandable . u cannot help yourself with that .

unfortunately this is whats going on in muslim countries ...... poor countries who have zero technological advancements and achievements have been bashing and down talking the ones who actually have done sth .

this table talks for itself :

SJR - International Science Ranking

Farsnews
Iran is among the world's top 15 countries in science production, adding that the number of the country’s scientific articles indexed in the Scopus scientific scale has exceeded 22,000.

u see my friend , the realities are different than what ur fantasies are .

keep it up

people would not laugh at it so much.

my dear friend , why should ppl laugh to modernization of a 4.5gen fighter ?

building and continuation of several 5th gen fighters and drones ? huh ?

is it because their country are doing better in this field ? LMAO . lol at their faces

those ppl come from failed states who are struggling to feed their own ppl , and cannot make an screw let alone modernizing a fighter

instead of jealousy and crying out loud , lets do it together ! hands in hands we can take muslim countries out of this misery

peace brother

 

[SQ8]

those ppl come from failed states who are struggling to feed their own ppl , and cannot make an screw let alone modernizing a fighter

instead of jealousy and crying out loud , lets do it together ! hands in hands we can take muslim countries out of this misery

peace brother

Clearly you cannot debate about the failed state of your R&D. You are banned from this thread, but your posts will remain here as a sign of how idiotic posts are made.

 

[MOHSENAM]

Clearly you cannot debate about the failed state of your R&D. You are banned from this thread, but your posts will remain here as a sign of how idiotic posts are made.

Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year, Iran has already surpassed the total scientific output of countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Austria or that of Norway.



Science and technology in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SQ8]

Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year, Iran has already surpassed the total scientific output of countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Austria or that of Norway.



Science and technology in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You still have not seen what is the point of the "failed" state. This scientific growth is useless if the products being developed all look like the Qaher. Its like having the most brilliant minds and then having them lie to the world by building fake items.