Islamabad Dharna 2nd November-News, Updates And Discussions

[saiyan0321]

Having the 'right' to protest is one thing. But threatening a 'lockdown' of the Pakistani capital is another. No govt in the world would allow that. That was allowed in summer of 2014 but at a great cost--the 126 days of Dharnas did a lot of damage to Islamabad, Pakistani economy, and Pakistani image.

If these kinds of lockdowns are allowed then, believe me, even smaller political parties will be able to mobilize hundreds of thousands to cripple Pakistan in the future. And if these kinds of mobilization is allowed to topple govts then future govts will also be toppled.

NS's Panamagate Scandal should be rigorously pursued in the courts and his alleged/real crimes be exposed in the media. And if there is political mobilization then it should NEVER be allowed the repeat of 2014.


Finally, as I have been saying here for years, I'd rather have a little corrupt govt in place so long as the country keeps moving forward then have political instability: Political instability is the MOTHER OF ALL CORRUPTIONS! And also I believe Pakistan is definitely moving forward under NS; not ideally, but significantly moving forward.


PS. You are an otherwise sensible poster and should not ignore 'Pakistan' for the sake of political expediency.

I understand your points believe me and I am also not blind to the improvements in our economy and energy sector.

Believe it or nor I was not supportive of imran's lock down plan and was against it however the limit broke when Punjab police wilfully and maliciously started to apprehend pti supporters from a youth conference. This was unacceptable.

I am sure you are aware that high court had given Imran and govt court order that Imran cannot shut down islamabad and such an act would be considered a violation of laws and courts whilst the govt cannot stop Imran from doing a peaceful protest and should hold out an area for him to do peaceful protest. This was courts decision.

However before Imran could do anything, the govt wilfully apprehended various supporters at a youth conventions which led to protests and those protestors were all caught under section 144 which bans groups of people.

Had the govt done this when they had committed lock down or tried to commit lock down ( an act forbidden by the courts of law) then it would have made sense however this panic stricken action is not justifiable.

On top of it all they have themselves locked down not only islamabad but Punjab from kpk. An action that is not justified as thousands travel in between. In a nation where national unity is already a very touchy subject, such an act only makes the topic worse.

In the news I saw a police contingent hold a van filled with girls coming from college for 6 hours at a police station and they were going home. As you are aware that in pakistan pick and drop services are utilized by many students especially girls. Now think about those girls and their parents. How worried they must be that their girls haven't arrived from college. These things are wrong.

I understand your concern about parties shutting down and I voiced it myself in 2014 however the excuse we felt threatened due to spoken threats before any action especially when courts had forbidden Imran to lock down islamabad, is no excuse for such a strong reaction.

You have your reasons to find justification in the act of govt ( I am not taunting. As intelligent people we all hold our respected opinions) and I have mine to not find any justification in their acts.

 

[iPhone]

Having the 'right' to protest is one thing. But threatening a 'lockdown' of the Pakistani capital is another. No govt in the world would allow that. That was allowed in summer of 2014 but at a great cost--the 126 days of Dharnas did a lot of damage to Islamabad, Pakistani economy, and Pakistani image.

If these kinds of lockdowns are allowed then, believe me, even smaller political parties will be able to mobilize hundreds of thousands to cripple Pakistan in the future. And if these kinds of mobilization is allowed to topple govts then future govts will also be toppled.

NS's Panamagate Scandal should be rigorously pursued in the courts and his alleged/real crimes be exposed in the media. And if there is political mobilization then it should NEVER be allowed the repeat of 2014.


Finally, as I have been saying here for years, I'd rather have a little corrupt govt in place so long as the country keeps moving forward then have political instability: Political instability is the MOTHER OF ALL CORRUPTIONS! And also I believe Pakistan is definitely moving forward under NS; not ideally, but significantly moving forward.


PS. You are an otherwise sensible poster and should not ignore 'Pakistan' for the sake of political expediency.

Golden words. couldn't agree more. besides the Supreme Court is already investigating NS and his Panama scandal.

More than likely they'll find something on him and he would be removed and more than likely CH. Nisar would step in as Prime Minister.

All this would happen without the protests. But this self centered guy desperately seeks the limelight and in his pursuit of selfish goals he's inflicted quiet the harm to Pakistan and her economy.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Farah Sohail

The delaying tactics and etc things will be in vain so no worries at all cause they can say whatever can bring a relief for them before public to buy some time but don't you see the panic that every time within 24 hours one of them is on TV to defend themselves which speaks volume that how the fire has been put under their feet.

Military will not take any action until & unless SC speaks about so let's see what Court has to say. The issue needs to be settled in accordance with law and what PMLn wants is, actually to become a political martyr by direct intervention by Military so NS and Royal Family cannot be blamed for all the chaos of today and what's coming tomorrow due to their incompetence.

The clan wants and pushing all hard that Military may take a wrong step and this is not going to happen this time.

Military must also have a second strategy rather than putting all their bets on judiciary... Because there is every chance, tht public and military both can be disappointed....with judiciary.... As it is... SC is hearing the panama case, not security case... I see every chance, tht SC will keep on giving dates after dates..in tht

Even if military, has pushed hard, SC, behind the scenes, to become active and give solid decision...but still its better to have a second option too... Not good to put all eggs in one basket... What if SC plays neutral again? It seems tht military is relying solely on judiciary..which can backfire... Will military be helpless..if SC doesnt act as desired?

And by second option..i dont mean..direct military option in the form of martial law... They can also use, option...to divide pml n... Maybe a certain group can suddenly popp up rrom PML N too..who resign...vote of no confidence for Nawaz Sharif..and hence dissolution of assemblies.... There can be multiple other options too...Bring out in the open, Baqir Najfis report on Model town.. Release through unknown sources, audios/ videos of Maryam Nawaz relating to security leaks case... There can be multiple options, which can be simultaneously used if military wants... But are they interested?

.what public wants...is... Do NOT spare Nawaz, and his daughter in treason case... He should not be forgiven at any cost...and this security leaks should not be another matti pao, like memo case.... But right now, military seems interested in being neutral only, watching from a distance and doing nothing

 

[coffee_cup]

ohh yara I need a visa to travel or enter Hazara Division of KpK Pakistan even because Nawaz Sharif even had cut it off and we cannot go through Hazro/Attock.

Right now you even need a visa to travel from Qasoor to Lahore or from Faisalabad to Lahore. These Ganja brothers have locked down whole Punjab, KPK and Islamabad.

 

[The Eagle]

What if SC plays neutral again?

this is how the Courts works or anyone wants them to be partial or biased but No. Court will do its job if not then indeed it will be visible to everyone that who did what.

Rest about Military should have second option w.r.t. divide PMLn or etc options, I don't think so that it is a good advise. PMLn and others are doing the job pretty good for themselves that many voices are coming out. Their policies and family leadership is already killing them then why to Malign Military into the same.

We need to understand that this is a treason case and proceedings aren't going to be in context of normal cases. None can hide the fact of the case or anyone could be favoured at all otherwise, it is going to raise public voice more than before. Every option available under the Law is into account and considered well. I am sure, it will be meeting the logical end rather than a political disaster otherwise brigade like Mir, Asma and Sethi will be more active and will have the strength to do so in future without any fear of Law.

People are trying to mixup the things like what PTI is doing is none of the business of Military at all but taking advantage of the moment, any ill planned or step out of Law is going to establish such fake claim against the Military which will cause more damage than this case alone. So, rather to play in hands of the traitor or as per their scheme, let us keep an eye on the real matter with right decisions and not to be diverted at all. PMLn is working really hard to drag the Army into this PTI issue which has nothing to do with treason case but indeed it will help the Royal family to escape the situation.

Asif Khawaja says about 2 to 4 days for committee to be formed or so, lets be clear here that it would be the same stance in next meeting like "What is the update of Dawn leak investigation" which is pretty clear that no way to escape at all.

 

[Farah Sohail]

this is how the Courts works or anyone wants them to be partial or biased but No. Court will do its job if not then indeed it will be visible to everyone that who did what.

Rest about Military should have second option w.r.t. divide PMLn or etc options, I don't think so that it is a good advise. PMLn and others are doing the job pretty good for themselves that many voices are coming out. Their policies and family leadership is already killing them then why to Malign Military into the same.

We need to understand that this is a treason case and proceedings aren't going to be in context of normal cases. None can hide the fact of the case or anyone could be favoured at all otherwise, it is going to raise public voice more than before. Every option available under the Law is into account and considered well. I am sure, it will be meeting the logical end rather than a political disaster otherwise brigade like Mir, Asma and Sethi will be more active and will have the strength to do so in future without any fear of Law.

People are trying to mixup the things like what PTI is doing is none of the business of Military at all but taking advantage of the moment, any ill planned or step out of Law is going to establish such fake claim against the Military which will cause more damage than this case alone. So, rather to play in hands of the traitor or as per their scheme, let us keep an eye on the real matter with right decisions and not to be diverted at all. PMLn is working really hard to drag the Army into this PTI issue which has nothing to do with treason case but indeed it will help the Royal family to escape the situation.

Asif Khawaja says about 2 to 4 days for committee to be formed or so, lets be clear here that it would be the same stance in next meeting like "What is the update of Dawn leak investigation" which is pretty clear that no way to escape at all.

Arresting ppl under Army act...and interrogating them.....is also part of our constituition..And hence, perfectly legal.... Shouldnt army consider tht option, too? Because, as i said...its perfectly legal...of govt keeps on delaying it..how long will military wait? In every meeting..question will be asked by military...tht what is the update of leak investigation... And then they will reply...tht yes..its under process..we are investigating..just give us some time, before it gets completed..we are trying our best... And then in next meeting also...come up with similar excuse..tht its about to completed..we have made some further progres.. Just little more time... As the committee, will not only have ISI, MI ppl but others tooo..so ppl within the committee can also use different tactics to prolong the investigation

Then what? How long will military wait? If Govt keeps on delaying.....will military be interested in using the other legal option, of acting under army act?

Do u think... There can be any chance..tht... Treason case will meet its logical conclusion before retirement of General Raheel Sharif? Or no chance of this? And it wil prolong more than tht? @The Eagle

 

[Spring Onion]

Right now you even need a visa to travel from Qasoor to Lahore or from Faisalabad to Lahore. These Ganja brothers have locked down whole Punjab, KPK and Islamabad.

This is shooting own self in the foot.

NS govt has made dharna a violent event. The KPK PTI supporters were badly shelled at Burhan and even according to some information may be pallets are also used or may be used. I am not sure but stating an account from a participant

 

[Zibago]

This is shooting own self in the foot.

NS govt has made dharna a violent event. The KPK PTI supporters were badly shelled at Burhan and even according to some information may be pallets are also used or may be used. I am not sure but stating an account from a participant

Now should i repeat what Bilawal once said?

 

[Khalidr]

we got another zulfiqar bhutto in shape of nawaz who thinks punjab as one unit..

 

[Khalidr]

Now should i repeat what Bilawal once said?

Nawaz ka asl baap Zia ul Haq hai

 

[Zibago]

Nawaz ka asl baap Zia ul Haq hai

Nope not that one(though it is true)
I was talking about something Bilo said in Kashmir elections

 

[The Eagle]

Then what? How long will military wait? If Govt keeps on delaying.....will military be interested in using the other legal option, of acting under army act?

Do u think... There can be any chance..tht... Treason case will meet its logical conclusion before retirement of General Raheel Sharif? Or no chance of this? And it wil prolong more than tht?

Yes, whatever the options granted under the Law.

PMLn will try to prolong but I am hopeful that it will done soon.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes, whatever the options granted under the Law.

PMLn will try to prolong but I am hopeful that it will done soon.

Hope so.....it happens soon...

I will keep reminding everyone abt this issue... Will not let this security breach issue, to be matti pao, atleast on this forum.....

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

This is very easy for nawaz sharif to show receipts & chain of transactions for flats in London and other properties but which thing is stopping him ?? Just throw receipt of transactions on face of opposition parties, but i think something is fishy fishy as government want to divert attention from this at any cost

 

[Verve]

This is very easy for nawaz sharif to show receipts & chain of transactions for flats in London and other properties but which thing is stopping him ?? Just throw receipt of transactions on face of opposition parties, but i think something is fishy fishy as government want to divert attention from this at any cost

Maybe the fishy thing is the absence of the money trail out of Pakistan !!

Purchase receipts are irrelevant, how did the money go out of Pakistan and were taxes paid against that income made in Pakistan.