ISIS Terrorist's Plotting Attacks in Turkey

[xenon54 out]

You can't stop them at the airport, you can only stop them at the border of Turkey-Syria. The number of foreigners 20.000 as some sources state are a huge number, I doubt that's smuggling.

If it is smuggling than it's a miracle IS didn't do terror attacks in Turkey yet with border security that bad unless they avoid it to keep the border security loose and pass into Syria en masse. The latter is possible as well as ISIS didn't touch the Turkish convoy heading to Suleiman Tomb either.

Qatar ( MB ruled terror state ) retreated it's ambassador from Egypt as they bombed ISIS in Libya, with all the pro ISIS stances of MB leaders I wouldn't say that it's smuggling anymore.. More likely that they've been let in intentionally.

20'000 is a estimation, who know if its true but even if, not all of them came throught Turkey, Turkey being the biggest transit country with the longest border to Syria besides Iraq is only natural since its a natural bridge between ME and Europe/Russia/Caucasus.
When they enter Syria they go throught passages that ususally Kurdish smugglers are using, nobody is dumb enough to pass as a forigner to Syria throught the border gate.

 

[Falcon29]

But your current position is to be their best ally.

I was just trolling.

 

[1000]

20'000 is a estimation, who know if its true but even if, not all of them came throught Turkey, Turkey being the biggest transit country with the longest border to Syria besides Iraq is only natural since its a natural bridge between ME and Europe/Russia/Caucasus.
When they enter Syria they go throught passages that ususally Kurdish smugglers are using, nobody is dumb enough to pass as a forigner to Syria throught the border gate.

All we know is that it's a lot. Whether intentional or not we clearly disagree but the Syrian border should be secured and closed instead, not just to help Syria but for Turkey's own security. If that is done than no one can accuse Turkey of helping ISIS.

If the Syrian-Turkish border is really that unsecure and they are using smuggling routes than Turkey has a huge security problem. ISIS doesn't attack random states they have a centralized command structure, they have not targeted KRG for a long time until they suddenly did as you saw meaning there's clear commands given. Before they attacked Mosul they've already infested the place with their own terrorist citizens for years being sleeper cells. Before you know it they start random bombings, and the police recently found bombs stored in Turkey belonging to ISIS.

 

[Hakan]

@Sinan @haman10
Please don't use terms like "farsis" or "tork", technically they are not against the rules but the intentions behind those words are well known. Use Iranian or Turk.

@kaan

How reliable are these reports and why do you believe they would want to target Turkey?

I don't think they would target Turkey because Raqaa is not too far from the Turkish border.

They already know that if they attack Turkey it will be the end of them.

 

[PATHAN786KING]

Sweety , there is a big difference .

1- iran is their enemy . turkey is their friend , so when they accuse them of supporting terrorism , thats a different story

2- iran is called "supporter of terrorism" cause it supports hezbollah and hamas . we are proud to do that . meanwhile supporting ISIS is nuts

got it ?

what is the difference between hezbollah and ISIS or HAMAS noob who hide there weapons in schools or masjids and then start crying israiel bomb our children

Alright , if thats the case :

iran supports terrorism by supporting hezbollah and hamas , Turkiye is supporting terrorism by supporting ISIS and F$A .

do you hear yourself ? they've got no enemies ? are u real ?


thats how low they got to take al-assad down . they thought they can make ISIS their puppet but they failed miserably and now ISIS is biting the hand that fed them . or is it ?

turkey not supporting ISIS yes they are supporting FSA and all world suppoting them while bashar al assad killing his own syrian childs with chemical bombs

 

[Hakan]

The same arguments saying that Turkey is supporting Isis can be made to say that Turkey is supporting PKK

 

[SpArK]

 

[-SINAN-]

l we know is that it's a lot. Whether intentional or not we clearly disagree but the Syrian border should be secured and closed instead,

Impossible..it's literaly impossible to do that. Only way to do that is to declare a no man's land strip, along the border.. Massing thousands of troops, evacuating hundreds of towns and villages along the border.

 

[SouI]

I don't understand what our official stance is towards KRG.. Recently, they have gone on to take the control of Mosul and Kirkuk as well.. Now head of PKK claims that he desires KRG to be like a special entity of Turkey and that it is his goals...

What is our stance here? Our government is pro-ottoman, so they would actually like to have a slice of Iraq like that, which is rich of natural resources and that area is also developed much regarding the rest of Iraq..

However, he also asks for too much power for that 'special entity'. I am guessing that he wants the total protection and help of Turkey (as it is a need anyway, they cannot do anything else otherwise), while also having somewhat an independent state, so they want to have like total control of that 'special entity', and act like being a part of the country.

But it cannot work like that too, due to the 'requirements' of being a state. One common language is required, that also means 'no kurdish education for primary school'.

Our intelligence agency and police forces shall also be able to take operations in that zone, after all it is wanted to be a part of the country...

PKK simply is asking for too much.. I hope we have a proper stand in this case considering our nationalist interests too.

 

[telkon]

You can't stop them at the airport, you can only stop them at the border of Turkey-Syria. The number of foreigners 20.000 as some sources state are a huge number, I doubt that's smuggling.

If it is smuggling than it's a miracle IS didn't do terror attacks in Turkey yet with border security that bad unless they avoid it to keep the border security loose and pass into Syria en masse. The latter is possible as well as ISIS didn't touch the Turkish convoy heading to Suleiman Tomb either.

Qatar ( MB ruled terror state ) retreated it's ambassador from Egypt as they bombed ISIS in Libya, with all the pro ISIS stances of MB leaders I wouldn't say that it's smuggling anymore.. More likely that they've been let in intentionally.

and how you propose turkey should stop them at the border? i agree with you that turkey turned blind eye to jihadis crossing border prior to first months of 2014 (enemy of my enemy is my friend thing). besides, back then all the militant dudes travelling to syria were viewed as "freedom fighters", not "jihadi nutjobs" by that same europe & usa. your posts allege that it's only turkey they use as route to syria. turkey might be the busiest route, but there are routes leading from jordan, lebanon. and before isis launched its iraq attack, iraq was also one of the routes for jihadis. and frankly i don't believe that 20k jihadi. last time i checked it was around 11-12k and that was 7-8 months ago. also, does this 20k refer only to ISIS or total number of foreigners?

on your remark that isis didn't touch turkish convoy to suleiman shah tomb, why would they do that? threatening to attack turkey is one thing, attacking the most powerful army in the region is another thing.

also, to efficiently tackle smuggling through border turkey have to either build 5m high wall along 877km syrian border or to place troops all along the border. don't forget that sometimes smugglers from syria attack turkish border patrols ( Smugglers from Syrian side attack Turkish border post - LOCAL 2,000 ‘smugglers’ repelled at Syrian border: Turkish Army - LOCAL ).

lastly, here's the quote from the link that summarizes this "turkey helps isis blabla cry me a river" rhetoric.

“To a great extent, we need to understand that it’s also easy for intelligence agencies or for politicians in Western countries to push the blame away from their failures in identifying people leaving the country, heading to Turkey. That should be the first line of defense before you even start thinking about Turkey,” Mendelsohn said.

Turkey Border Security: Hayat Boumeddiene Escape To Syria Sparks Renewed Criticism


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The number of foreigners 20.000 as some sources state are a huge number, I doubt that's smuggling

so, you think turkey maintains some kind of all-inclusive 5 star jihadi transfer enterprise? with cold beverages, cute blonde guides and whatnot?

 

[1000]

and how you propose turkey should stop them at the border? i agree with you that turkey turned blind eye to jihadis crossing border prior to first months of 2014 (enemy of my enemy is my friend thing). besides, back then all the militant dudes travelling to syria were viewed as "freedom fighters", not "jihadi nutjobs" by that same europe & usa. your posts allege that it's only turkey they use as route to syria. turkey might be the busiest route, but there are routes leading from jordan, lebanon. and before isis launched its iraq attack, iraq was also one of the routes for jihadis. and frankly i don't believe that 20k jihadi. last time i checked it was around 11-12k and that was 7-8 months ago. also, does this 20k refer only to ISIS or total number of foreigners?

on your remark that isis didn't touch turkish convoy to suleiman shah tomb, why would they do that? threatening to attack turkey is one thing, attacking the most powerful army in the region is another thing.

also, to efficiently tackle smuggling through border turkey have to either build 5m high wall along 877km syrian border or to place troops all along the border. don't forget that sometimes smugglers from syria attack turkish border patrols ( Smugglers from Syrian side attack Turkish border post - LOCAL 2,000 ‘smugglers’ repelled at Syrian border: Turkish Army - LOCAL ).

lastly, here's the quote from the link that summarizes this "turkey helps isis blabla cry me a river" rhetoric.


Turkey Border Security: Hayat Boumeddiene Escape To Syria Sparks Renewed Criticism

Well you agree with me than about Erdogan's open border policy, that's what it was about here.

As for securing the border no one said it's easy but don't you think it should be made a higher priority ? Look at the result from the open border. Not the entire Syrian-Turkish border is ISIS controlled either.

As for ISIS fearing Turkey, they attack the superpower USA they really don't care about that, with the open border policy of Erdogan they have a good reason not to attack, why would they force Turkey to block the border and cut their supply line of jihadists.

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so, you think turkey maintains some kind of all-inclusive 5 star jihadi transfer enterprise? with cold beverages, cute blonde guides and whatnot?

No one said that, you yourself said what I mean

i agree with you that turkey turned blind eye to jihadis

 

[telkon]

Well you agree with me than about Erdogan's open border policy, that's what it was about here.

As for securing the border no one said it's easy but don't you think it should be made a higher priority ? Look at the result from the open border. Not the entire Syrian-Turkish border is ISIS controlled either.

As for ISIS fearing Turkey, they attack the superpower USA they really don't care about that, with the open border policy of Erdogan they have a good reason not to attack, why would they force Turkey to block the border and cut their supply line of jihadists.

No one said that, you yourself said what I mean

well, tbh it wasn't erdogan's policy. it was west's policy to let sunni militants fight nusayri assad regime (euros/us using proxy to kick russia/iran's bitch), erdogan was just a middleman. he was very praised back then (between 2011-2013) by the same west which criticizes him now (your standard european hypocricy). and why should turkey risk its soldiers' lives? to appease west? or middle easterners, who'll find another shit to grunt about turks? if west is so concerned, they can send their own soldiers to patrol and be target of attacks.

where did you get "ISIS attacks USA"? for at least 6 months muricans bombing the shit out of daesh (which by the way was the most instrumental in isis's defeat at ayn al-arab) and i didn't see isis staging full-blown attack on US soil. did i miss something? and you're forgetting that turkish army is not iraqi or syrian army. isis foot soldiers/cannon fodder might be fanatical, but the top echelon isn't that crazy to openly attack turkey.

and btw you skipped my remarks that it's not only turkey jihadis use to go to syria. iirc i read sometime in 2013 that almost all tunisian and lybian jihadis used lebanon as their route.

all in all, turkey is in the spotlight because 1: kurdish propaganda (turk kill us, isis kill us, turk help isis, biji obama, help us pleaaaase :crycry 2. europeans' hate for turks 3. europeans' denial that they weren't able to control their own citizens and thus fingerpointing at turkey as a skapegoat. they don't even share intel, for ****'s sake. lastly, if say europeans didn't have muslim population or there wasn't american "war on terror" and they weren't in the need of some "enemy of the state" excuse to push for total control over their citizens, no one in western world would give a shit about some middle eastern tribesmen killing each other.

IMO, akp's current policy is still that "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. it'll continue that way until erdo is gone or russia and united states reach some kind of agreement.

to your last sentence, you said "i don't think that's smuggling" so i asked you, then, you think turkey entertains some jihadi transfer enterprise.

 

[what]

Turkish tanks are on their way to save our soldiers in Syria.

 

[rmi5]

Propaganda for simple minded people to make them ready for the new policy of Turkish government regarding Syria.
This news, so called assassination plot of Erdo's daughter, training Peshmerga in turkish soil, and sending tanks to Soleiman Shah's tomb is basically part of the same propaganda.

Then, an intelligent person should ask what has made Erdo to change his policy regarding ISIS? US determination for removing ISIS? Kurds defeating ISIS in Koubani? A new deal with US and Kurds? ... this is the right question to ask ...