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Is the U.S.-Indian Relationship Built to Last?

By Robert Boggs; Nicholas Burns

Foreign Affairs - January/February 2015 Issue

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In his critique of U.S. President Barack Obama’s India policy, Nicholas Burns (“Passage to India,” September/October 2014) correctly identifies the issues that have bedeviled U.S.-Indian relations, such as differences over international agreements on climate change and trade. But he overestimates both India’s desire to improve the relationship and the benefits doing so would bring.

Like many advocates of stronger U.S.-Indian ties, Burns fails to recognize that two countries with the same system of government do not necessarily develop similar interests or policies. In the case of India, the burdens of colonialism and economic underdevelopment have led it to oppose much of the U.S. agenda. Like China, India continues to view the United States as a presumptuous superpower and competitor. And if India realizes its goal of becoming an economic powerhouse with global influence, New Delhi’s rivalry with Washington, particularly in South Asia, will likely intensify.

Although Burns writes that “the United States and India should continue to strengthen their defense and political coordination in the Asia-Pacific region,” he neglects to mention that India appears uninterested in cooperating on this front. The United States has included India in multilateral strategic discussions on the Asia-Pacific region, such as the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, with Australia and Japan, which sought to respond to increased Chinese power, but India has not made such meetings a priority. New Delhi has also been conspicuously absent from the two combined naval task forces the United States assembled to combat terrorism and piracy in the Indian Ocean. And despite providing development assistance to Afghanistan, India has refused to participate in the International Security Assistance Force, NATO’s security mission in Afghanistan.

When India does participate in multilateral organizations, it routinely opposes initiatives proposed by the United States and other Western powers. India’s opposition to interfering in other countries’ domestic affairs has led New Delhi to vote against human rights resolutions in the UN General Assembly and to openly criticize UN involvement in such crises as the civil wars in Libya and Syria. New Delhi has also opposed the West on many economic issues, working with the other so-called BRICS nations—Brazil, Russia, China, and South Africa—to create alternatives to the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and other Bretton Woods institutions.

Still, Burns holds out hope that Obama and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi will “work together to promote stability in India’s South Asian neighborhood.” If India’s actions are anything to go on, however, it appears that the country prefers to work alone to maintain its regional dominance—and it views the United States as a threat. As a U.S. diplomat serving in South Asia from 1985 to 2004, I watched Indian officials repeatedly pressure neighboring countries not to cooperate with Washington, often because New Delhi believed, erroneously, that such cooperation would raise the U.S. military’s profile in South Asia. In early 2014, India protested U.S. calls for fair and inclusive elections in Bangladesh because it feared that voters would not elect a pro-India party. To gain leverage over its neighbors, India has had its foreign intelligence agency provide financial support to antigovernment insurgencies in Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka. Two of the insurgent groups India has backed—Maoist militants in Nepal and Tamil separatists in Sri Lanka—have killed thousands of civilians and been designated as terrorists by the U.S. government.

Burns suggests that an increasingly powerful China may spur a stronger U.S.-Indian nexus in Asia. But even though border clashes with China have aggravated security concerns in New Delhi, Modi openly admires China’s development model and may prefer to engage China diplomatically and economically rather than try to contain it. And many Indian analysts do not believe that the United States would come to India’s defense if a U.S.-Indian military partnership provoked Chinese aggression.

Modi still remains a mystery to U.S. policymakers. He appears to want the United States to help revitalize India’s economy, but it is unclear if he wants the longer-term political and defense partnership that the United States seeks in South Asia. A staunch Hindu nationalist, Modi likely wants to continue India’s quest for regional dominance, a move that would not endear him to the United States. His endorsement of his party’s vision of Akhand Bharat, or “undivided India,” which sees most of South Asia as belonging to India, does not bode well for a more accommodative regional foreign policy.

Of course, India is firmly within its rights to define its own interests and chart its own strategies. But U.S.-Indian relations—and U.S. strategic interests—would be best served by a realistic appraisal of Indian values and goals, which Burns fails to provide. Contrary to Burns’ assertions, India is unlikely to become a “critical partner” to the United States anytime soon. New Delhi will strengthen its ties with Washington only if doing so serves its interests; Washington should do the same.

ROBERT BOGGS is Professor of South Asia Studies at the Near East South Asia Center for Strategic Studies, in Washington, D.C., and previously worked for the U.S. State Department for 32 years. The views expressed here are his own.

BURNS REPLIES

India has not always been an easy or even compatible friend to the United States. I suspect Robert Boggs and I agree on that fundamental point. We both served in U.S. administrations that tried to elevate bilateral ties with New Delhi. The difference between us may be traced, in part, to the fortune of timing. During the 1980s and 1990s, U.S. presidents and secretaries of state struggled to find common ground with a succession of Indian prime ministers.

I was fortunate, however, to work with India on behalf of the U.S. government at a very different time—during President George W. Bush’s second term in office. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made building stronger relations with India a major priority. We negotiated a landmark civil nuclear agreement, strengthened military ties, and oversaw a major expansion of trade and investment between the two countries. Bush and Rice produced the closest relationship between Washington and New Delhi in decades. Missing from Boggs’ response is an acknowledgment of that undeniable progress.

Boggs also errs in describing my article as a “critique” of the Obama administration’s India policy. In fact, my main argument was that India should be a higher priority in the president’s remaining two years in office, following two difficult years for Washington and New Delhi. And I placed more responsibility on the Indian government than the Obama administration for the slowdown in progress.

I try to be realistic about what can and cannot be accomplished with New Delhi. For decades, India has been a difficult and often dyspeptic partner for the United States at the UN on major multilateral issues. Even during the past few years, India has shown little vision or courage in working with the United States on global trade, climate change, or critical security threats, from Iran’s drive for nuclear weapons to NATO’s intervention in Libya.

But I don’t agree with Boggs when he concludes that the current Indian leadership sees the United States as a “competitor” and that there is little real strategic value in the U.S.-Indian relationship. In fact, there have been many positive changes in relations during the Bush and Obama administrations. Washington and New Delhi have both supported the Afghan government against the Taliban, and India values the U.S. military role in Afghanistan so much that its real worry is that the United States will leave too soon. As victims of Islamist terrorism, the two countries have become close partners on homeland security. Their defense ties continue to broaden and deepen. And both share a concern about China’s newly aggressive behavior in the East China and South China seas. These shared concerns with India have produced concrete benefits for the United States.

In many ways, China is at the center of the new strategic cooperation between the United States and India. Both Washington and New Delhi will partner with China on trade, investment, and climate change. But the United States and India will also compete with China for military power in the region. As a result, the United States and India will continue to build closer security ties, often in partnership with Japan, due to a basic, common self-interest: balancing China’s increasing power in Asia.

I agree with Boggs that the new Indian prime minister, Narendra Modi, should articulate more clearly his aims for the U.S.-Indian relationship. But Boggs is on thin ice when he suggests that Modi will pursue a Hindu nationalist vision of an “undivided India” encompassing most of the countries of the region. There is scant evidence for that very serious charge.

Boggs appears to see India as an unreliable partner. Washington will surely continue to have its share of disagreements with New Delhi. But I see a glass half full, given all that has changed for the better under Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush in Washington’s growing, sometimes frustrating, but undeniably strengthening strategic partnership with India.

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My comment in Foreign Affairs -

Robert Boggs is absolutely right about the incompatibility of Indian and US objectives. Boggs assessment is completely in line with my own research of more than a decade on Indian foreign policy which details New Delhi's actions and motivations during the period from 1947-2007:

https://www.academia.edu/5690262/The_India_Doctrine_1947-2007_

That Nicholas Burns has a far too optimistic take on India was adequately revealed when the Narendra Modi government permitted the present Crimean leader to accompany Vladimir Putin to India where both were able to make business and trade deals despite Western sanctions. The arguments presented by Boggs is provided full coverage and explanation in my book The India Doctrine (1947-2007) and the concept of Akhand Bharat and the interference of the Indian government in all South Asian countries is elaborated in immense detail. I hope the wrong headed approach of many US diplomats and policy makers will be finally discarded for a more realistic assessment of Indian objectives in the South Asia region.
 
If we approach it rationally to ensure both the countries benefit from each others' strengths, who knows we might actually last for a long, long time.

For too long, the American foreign policy view has been eyeing South Asia from the purview of Pakistan and adjoining countries. However, India is new to them. There are many factors that are condusive in this case:

1- We don't pose a threat to them
2- Our credibility in international forums reinforces our intentions
3- Our interests are similar to what most countries see; we don't have an ideological thorn with anyone except one specific kind.
4- Currently, we share similar threats.
 
Till the time both countries serve interest of each other this friendship will stand.

https://www.academia.edu/5690262/The_India_Doctrine_1947-2007_

That Nicholas Burns has a far too optimistic take on India was adequately revealed when the Narendra Modi government permitted the present Crimean leader to accompany Vladimir Putin to India where both were able to make business and trade deals despite Western sanctions. The arguments presented by Boggs is provided full coverage and explanation in my book The India Doctrine (1947-2007) and the concept of Akhand Bharat and the interference of the Indian government in all South Asian countries is elaborated in immense detail. I hope the wrong headed approach of many US diplomats and policy makers will be finally discarded for a more realistic assessment of Indian objectives in the South Asia region.

Please do not include this third class BS and please do not try to pollute this thread with such crap just go and sell this some where else.
 
there are no permanent friends, but only permanent interest...

always keep that in mind.. today india and US have same interest, so we are togather, tomorrow it may not be the same, so we may drift apart again...
 
What the
@US_statedept_retired Could you share your views on Boggs article?

I fall into the Burns camp and I'm a firm believer in more has to be done by the U.S towards building a strategic relationship with India, and great patience must follow. Therefore my opinion is biased to a certain extent.

You see, we can't waltz into India in the 2000's and expect India to fall in line with all our expectations. It is going to be a rough slog and the regional dynamics that India faces is understandably a hurdle. The one thing Boggs rightfully points out is that India has no assurance of an unilateral support from the U.S, should it choose to challenge China early and forcefully. If Boggs wants India to rush into a relationship of the nature he desires, then we have make those overtures of unilateral support.

The tying of any ' Akhand Bharat' views to Modi was mystifying. Someone of Boggs stature should be expected to remember that the closest to a peace deal, that India and Pakistan ever came to, was under the previous BJP rule.

Finally, Mr.Boggs has to realize that this is not going to be an "either you are with us or against us'" relationship. His comment about India's desired involvement in Afghanistan reeks of the same arrogance.
 
The tying of any ' Akhand Bharat' views to Modi was mystifying. Someone of Boggs stature should be expected to remember that the closest to a peace deal, that India and Pakistan ever came to, was under the previous BJP rule.

Modi is not Vajpayee or Advani and from past evidence is far more ideologically committed to Hindutva philosophy and more tolerant of communal, xenophobic and chauvinistic pronouncements by his BJP colleagues. By suggesting as some do that Modi does not know or have knowledge of what is happening in his own party and around the country is like saying Hitler did not know what the SS were doing in the concentration camps. It might also be added neither the Congress Party or the previous BJP administration were as benign as you suggest as they also believe in the idea of an Akhand Bharat. Modi also indicated that he cares little for US opinion on how he conducts his foreign policy since he permitted the Crimean leader to accompany Putin to India although both have been targeted by Western sanctions and this just a month before President Obama is to attend the Republic Day celebrations in India. Your arguments seem to resemble how Britain and France behaved despite the aggression perpetrated by Hitler before the World War broke out in 1939. Like Hitler Modi is being feted in the West as a great and charismatic leader but totally ignoring what is happening inside India and how the country is behav8ing in the neighborhood.
 
Modi is not Vajpayee or Advani and from past evidence is far more ideologically committed to Hindutva philosophy and more tolerant of communal, xenophobic and chauvinistic pronouncements by his BJP colleagues. By suggesting as some do that Modi does not know or have knowledge of what is happening in his own party and around the country is like saying Hitler did not know what the SS were doing in the concentration camps. It might also be added neither the Congress Party or the previous BJP administration were as benign as you suggest as they also believe in the idea of an Akhand Bharat. Modi also indicated that he cares little for US opinion on how he conducts his foreign policy since he permitted the Crimean leader to accompany Putin to India although both have been targeted by Western sanctions and this just a month before President Obama is to attend the Republic Day celebrations in India. Your arguments seem to resemble how Britain and France behaved despite the aggression perpetrated by Hitler before the World War broke out in 1939. Like Hitler Modi is being feted in the West as a great and charismatic leader but totally ignoring what is happening inside India and how the country is behav8ing in the neighborhood.

Look, you come from a place of self styled opposition to India, dare say from a place of hatred for that country and to a point of unhealthy obsession. For people like me, we just let you be the internet warrior you want to be.

For every crazy comment from some off shoot BJP cadre, I can show you similar outrageous comments from our congressmen in the U.S. Modi has openly reprimanded many of them and he shows no interest in those extreme views rather is laser focused on governance and economic growth.

What makes you think the Crimea issue is the be all and end all? India did some old deals with Russia- like nuclear reactors and had a deal in place for building out helicopters. And you expect us to drop them over it? This line of thought you keep pushing is absurd. This is amateur hour.

if you want to be taken seriously, the first thing you need to learn is to think through your points of contention. The next thing is never use Hitler analogies to somehow think it makes your weak argument suddenly more credible.

Finally, I have read your rants against the U.S in these forums, so please stop pretending you are looking out for us?
 
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Look, you come from a place of self styled opposition to India, dare say from a place of hatred for that country and to a point of unhealthy obsession. For people like me, we just let you be the internet warrior you want to be.

For every crazy comment from some off shoot BJP cadre, I can show you similar outrageous comments from our congressmen in the U.S. Modi has openly reprimanded many of them and he shows no interest in those extreme views rather is laser focused on governance and economic growth.

What makes you think the Crimea issue is the be all and end all? India did some old deals with Russia- like nuclear reactors and had a deal in place for building out helicopters. And you expect us to drop them over it? This line of thought you keep pushing is absurd. This is immature hour.

if you want to be taken seriously, the first thing you need to learn is to think through your points of contention. The next thing is never use Hitler analogies to somehow think it makes your weak argument suddenly more credible.

Just because you are an American does not allow you to restrict or delimit the debate with your own prejudices about what Bangladeshis think or are. We have far greater experience of Indian perfidy than you Americans. In fact most other countries in South Asia distrust India intensely for the reasons I have explained. The truth is American obsession with China is blinding it to what India is doing today. This issue is not my obsession but American obsession which permits it to throw anyone under the bus for its own strategic interests. And why not use the example of Hitler if the shoe fits. Hitler and the Nazis should not be off bounds just because it makes you Americans uncomfortable. It does not devalue the debate but points to what is happening to India today. Communalism, xenophobia and chauvinism are the mainstream in India now and cannot be equated with a few radical Congressman in the United States. Neither the Republican party or the Democrats are similar to the BJP so stop pushing idiotic statements that make no sense in the environments we are discussing .

Tactic of intimidation

DNA - December 17, 2014

TheBJPMP Adityanath has said that theBabri Masjiddemolition was a show of Hindu unity, and a similar show of unity is needed to ensure the ‘Ghar wapsi’ (return home) of all Christians, Muslims and other minorities in India. This statement – by a ruling party MP– brutally exposes the ‘Ghar wapsi’ project as one of communal violence, not ‘conversion’. This statement brazenly celebrates theBabri Masjid demolition(officially condemned by the BJP leadership so as to avoid criminal prosecution). And by comparing it with the Babri Masjid demolition, Adityanath makes it clear that ‘Ghar wapsi’ is no benign invitation to embrace Hinduism — it is intended to demolish the dignified existence and rights of religious minorities in India.

The very premise of the term ‘Ghar wapsi’ is unconstitutional and communal. With ‘Ghar wapsi’, the VHP, blessed by the ruling BJP, is putting into practice the ‘Ramzada’ principle articulated by Modi minister Niranjan Jyoti. Niranjan Jyoti said that Muslims and Christians in India must accept Hindu origins and identity as ‘sons of Ram’ to prove that they accept India. Behind this statement is the pet dream of the RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha — that India be turned into a Hindu nation, where non-Hindus will be treated as ‘foreigners’ and denied citizenship.

‘Ghar wapsi’ implies exactly the same thing: that Islam and Christianity are ‘foreign’ to India; that Hinduism is the ‘home faith’ of all Indian Muslims and Christians who must now ‘return home’ to the Hindu faith! The fallacy of this proposition is further exposed by the fact that the RSS outfits conduct ‘Ghar wapsi’ of the adivasis — who were animists, never Hindus.

Modi himself has endorsed and promoted this communal idea. During the Lok Sabha campaign, in an interview to a TV channel, he said that the anti-conversion law in Gujarat applies to those who seek to convert Hindus to Islam or Christianity — ‘Ghar wapsi’ is not conversion, he said, since it is a ‘return’ to the ‘home’ faith.

The ‘Ghar wapsi’ campaign is not just violent in theory; it has been violent in practice too. In Agra, poor migrant Muslims were told that they would get Below Poverty Line (BPL) ration cards only if they converted to Hinduism. The same happened in villages in Bastar in October this year also, where elected panchayats with BJP leaders passed edicts banning non-Hindu religious practices, and prohibiting BPL rations for Christian adivasis, in order to pressure them to agree to ‘Ghar wapsi.’ How can BPL rations — an entitlement provided by the government to the poor citizens — be restricted to those willing to pledge allegiance to the majority faith?

Moreover, in Agra, a menacing threat was used to get the Muslims to participate in the ‘Ghar wapsi’ programme. The poor Muslims are mostly Bengali-speaking migrants — a community that has been at the receiving end of campaigns by the VHP and even by Modi himself, branding them as ‘Bangladeshi infiltrators’. This fear was used to terrorise the Bengali-speaking Muslim migrants in Agra to participate in the ‘Ghar wapsi’ ceremony. The choices before them were clear: either be branded asBangladeshi infiltratorsand hounded out, or accept Hindu identity in order to qualify for the entitlements of food rations and housing!

Significantly, Adityanath felt the need to clarify that those who had ‘returned home’ would be allotted the caste status of their ancestors! By doing so, he revealed the inconvenient truth, that caste status is crucial to the structure of Hindu society. The insidious, discriminatory hierarchy of caste cannot be shed completely even when one exits the Hindu faith. And if you ‘return’, you’ll be slotted back into your ‘original’ position in the caste hierarchy. Ironically, Adityanath’s words about caste also inadvertently indicate that the Sangh’s propaganda about conversions to Islam or Christianity having taken place ‘at the point of the sword’ is a lie. In fact, those from the oppressed castes converted to Islam, Christianity and Buddhism and so on in a bid to escape the stranglehold of caste. It is another matter that caste (that is inextricably interwoven with class in India) has persisted in most religions in India.

Confronted with the facts about the intimidation and fraud used in the Ghar wapsi episode in Agra, the BJP has responded by mooting an anti-conversion law. BJP and Sangh supporters have responded to condemnation of the Ghar wapsi campaign by asking why conversions to Christianity or Islam are not similarly condemned. This question itself is fallaciously framed. In fact, conversions of various kinds — to one or the other Hindu sect or to other faiths — take place in India without any incident.

Persuading someone to convert to one’s faith, propagating one’s faith, or choosing to change one’s faith, is a democratic right, enshrined in the fundamental rights of Indian citizens. The reasons for why a person converts from Hinduism to Christianity or Islam or Sikhism; or why a person switches their allegiance from a regular temple or gurudwara to a dera or a baba are complex. The reasons range from the promise of spiritual solace, social equality and dignity, to the more mundane, material benefits such as free food, health care or education, to a political choice.

Theanti-conversion lawsin Gujarat and other states promote ‘Ghar wapsi’ while criminalising the work of Christian missionaries, who are rendered forever suspect of offering ‘inducements’ or ‘lures’ to convert. Are the schools or health care services offered by Christian institutions to the destitute, a ‘lure’ to convert? How are they different from the Deras in Punjab offering free de-addiction services to the poor Dalit labourers; or gurudwaras, temples and mosques offering free meals; or the Sai Baba running hospitals?

A (Hindu) acquaintance was offended when approached by evangelical Christians preaching that Jesus would help him weather a tough phase in his life. I asked him if he would feel similarly offended if a Hindu priest were to have promised him relief from his worries if he were to perform a puja? Do the Satyanarayanakathas involve a series of tales warning people of dire consequences if they refuse to perform the katha? Are these not instances of fear and fraud being used to make people perform certain religious rituals? Why is there outrage only when those of another faith preach their faith? It is amply clear that all faiths, including the Hindu faiths, offer services and promises alike, to draw people closer to their particular faith. Criminalising conversion to a minority faith – as the anti-conversion laws do – do violence to the fundamental right of every person to choose or change religion for any reason of their choice.

The idea that the faith one if born into is somehow one’s authentic, chosen identity, while ‘conversion’ is ‘forced’, is a strange one. In fact, one does not choose the religion one is born into. As an adult, one’s faith, like one’s politics or one’s other beliefs, is a conscious choice.

Intimidation, coercion, threats as well as humiliation used to force people to change their religion should be prosecuted and punished under the provisions of laws against communal violence and the Prevention of Atrocities Act, as they may apply. These are the laws that must be invoked against the perpetrators of ‘Ghar wapsi’ in Agra and elsewhere.

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Just because you are an American does not allow you to restrict or delimit the debate with your own prejudices about what Bangladeshis think or are. We have far greater experience of Indian perfidy than you Americans. In fact most other countries in South Asia distrust India intensely for the reasons I have explained. The truth is American obsession with China is blinding it to what India is doing today. This issue is not my obsession but American obsession which permits it to throw anyone under the bus for its own strategic interests. And why not use the example of Hitler if the shoe fits. Hitler and the Nazis should not be off bounds just because it makes you Americans uncomfortable. It does not devalue the debate but points to what is happening to India today. Communalism, xenophobia and chauvinism are the mainstream in India now and cannot be equated with a few radical Congressman in the United States. Neither the Republican party or the Democrats are similar to the BJP so stop pushing idiotic statements that make no sense in the environments we are discussing .

The one thing I would like to correct within your post above is your assertion that I attributed your comments to all Bangladeshis. Rather, I attributed it to just you. I quite like Bangladesh, I have had the pleasure of meeting some very astute diplomats from your region. We look forward to enhancing our relationship with Bangladesh, and wish your country the very best in getting rid of the radical elements within Jamaat-e-Islami .
 
The one thing I would like to correct within your post above is your assertion that I attributed your comments to all Bangladeshis. Rather, I attributed it to just you. I quite like Bangladesh, I have had the pleasure of meeting some very astute diplomats from your region. We look forward to enhancing our relationship with Bangladesh, and wish your country the very best in getting rid of the radical elements within Jamaat-e-Islami .

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the JeI. It has practiced internal democracy for the last 43 years and is more democratic than any other party in Bangladesh. The only people who are behaving like radical elements or more precisely fascists are the India backed Awami League which was clearly indicated by Robert Boggs in the Foreign Affairs article. The thousands that have been killed in Bangladesh in extra-judicial murders over the last 8 years were perpetrated by the AL and not the JeI or BNP. I suggest you observe more closely what is happening in Bangladesh and discard your prejudices against Muslims and check your bias towards India. Here is another article which shows the similarities between the Nazis and the present BJP government in India -


Actual ghar wapsi will be sending Muslims to Pakistan: Shiv Sena

The Indian Express - December 16, 2014



The Shiv Sena Monday warned that “it will not tolerate” the ghar wapsi planned by RSS-affiliate Dharm Jagran Samiti in Aligarh on December 25 as any such reconversion of Muslims “will lead to genetic abnormalities in the Hindu community”. The Uttar Pradesh unit of the party said the actual ghar wapasi would be by sending Muslims to Pakistan.

“The Hindu and Muslim cultures do not match at all and those who consider this a homecoming, they should take lessons from the history. We welcome ghar wapasi (homecoming) only if it means that they (Muslims) are sent to Pakistan, because (Mohammad Ali) Jinnah has already created a home for them. It is time both nations exchange Hindus and Muslims, it is the only solution to this problem,” Shiv Sena UP head Anil Singh told The Indian Express.

He claimed “Hindus have always had a calm nature and have always respected other religions but Muslims are fanatics and revolting in nature”, to which he further added, “If Muslims convert or reconvert to Hinduism and then marry Hindus, it will lead to genetic abnormalities in the Hindu community”.

Singh said his party was also opposed to the alleged mass religious conversion that took place in Agra. A controversy had erupted recently after a group of 57 Muslim families in Agra alleged that they had been converted to Hinduism fraudulently. Earlier in October, to counter “the growing influence of other communities,” UP unit of Shiv Sena had announced a reward of Rs 21,000 to each Hindu family with 10 or more children but had subsequently backtracked.

Actual ghar wapsi will be sending Muslims to Pakistan: Shiv Sena | The Indian Express


 
We live an an era when no relationships last - not even marriages .

So, why should relations between two sovereign nations be ' built to last' ?

Relations between India & US will last so long as the interests of both nations are met, so long as both nations appreciate & accept each others concerns and take actions that fit into the larger framework both for the region and their individual & mutual interests.

Thats how it is & thats how it should be.

We Asians tend to get emotional about everything & this includes diplomacy.

Its time to get real & I see both India & US have got real.
 
Let's hope there is a lasting business relationship between US and India. We need each other to grow our economy.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the JeI. It has practiced internal democracy for the last 43 years and is more democratic than any other party in Bangladesh. The only people who are behaving like radical elements or more precisely fascists are the India backed Awami League which was clearly indicated by Robert Boggs in the Foreign Affairs article. The thousands that have been killed in Bangladesh in extra-judicial murders over the last 8 years were perpetrated by the AL and not the JeI or BNP. I suggest you observe more closely what is happening in Bangladesh and discard your prejudices against Muslims and check your bias towards India. Here is another article which shows the similarities between the Nazis and the present BJP government in India -


Actual ghar wapsi will be sending Muslims to Pakistan: Shiv Sena

The Indian Express - December 16, 2014



The Shiv Sena Monday warned that “it will not tolerate” the ghar wapsi planned by RSS-affiliate Dharm Jagran Samiti in Aligarh on December 25 as any such reconversion of Muslims “will lead to genetic abnormalities in the Hindu community”. The Uttar Pradesh unit of the party said the actual ghar wapasi would be by sending Muslims to Pakistan.

“The Hindu and Muslim cultures do not match at all and those who consider this a homecoming, they should take lessons from the history. We welcome ghar wapasi (homecoming) only if it means that they (Muslims) are sent to Pakistan, because (Mohammad Ali) Jinnah has already created a home for them. It is time both nations exchange Hindus and Muslims, it is the only solution to this problem,” Shiv Sena UP head Anil Singh told The Indian Express.

He claimed “Hindus have always had a calm nature and have always respected other religions but Muslims are fanatics and revolting in nature”, to which he further added, “If Muslims convert or reconvert to Hinduism and then marry Hindus, it will lead to genetic abnormalities in the Hindu community”.

Singh said his party was also opposed to the alleged mass religious conversion that took place in Agra. A controversy had erupted recently after a group of 57 Muslim families in Agra alleged that they had been converted to Hinduism fraudulently. Earlier in October, to counter “the growing influence of other communities,” UP unit of Shiv Sena had announced a reward of Rs 21,000 to each Hindu family with 10 or more children but had subsequently backtracked.

Actual ghar wapsi will be sending Muslims to Pakistan: Shiv Sena | The Indian Express


When BD became an independent Nation in 71, You guys had 33% of Hindus which has been reduced to single digit in world' biggest religious clenching. It looks very funny when the people from BD talks about Conversion. Even in india, Hindus are unable to live in any area where Muslims become Majority. It is a question of our survival. We can not nourish danger in our stomach. We will have to reconvert them to make our country safe for living.
 
as long as US thinks that india is a useful tool to contain the rise of China, the relationship will be mutually beneficial

the US has her reasons, the indian have their reasons to hop on board
 
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