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Is Pakistan’s economy headed towards sustainable and equitable growth? Ft. Miftah Ismail

SME is the backbone for productivity and wealth generation in any economy. They actively destroyed it. Pumping economy by SBP printing increases consumption not productivity or wealth creation. This is why you see the divide because every thing fell flat once the pumping stopped.
This happens when folks in positions of authority only look at the "growth" numbers and ignore the details of how those numbers were achieved and the longer term ramifications.
 
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Listen to purely technical aspects of the discussion filtering out political partisanship (which is already limited in the exchange). It is a very thought-provoking interview. Refreshingly, someone cites solutions.

Good interview but why were all these great ideas not implemented when Miftah et-al and PML were running the show? Sartaj Aziz was doing exactly the same things as he is faulting now for the cyclical boom/bust situation with the economy then.

It goes to show that when you are not in the chair, it is easy to suggest solutions without actually having to deal with all of the challenges that arise in implementation.

It does not take one to be an economist to understand that we need to increase our exports. I like the idea that you only get to import if in the preceding year you exported but let's implement the laws to enforce this.
 
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I like the idea that you only get to import if in the preceding year you exported but let's implement the laws to enforce this.
This a good suggestion used in other Asian countries. But why did PML not implement this concept....they are clearly aware of it.

IMO, if they had implemented it, growth boost from import consumption would have been crushed (making them look bad). So they chose to stick to the import consumption model until the forex ran out and left a mess for the next government.
 
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Pakistan has following lobbies

¶ Saudi Iobby.
¶ Irani lobby.
¶ Afghani lobby.
¶ US lobby.
¶ UK lobby.
¶ European lobby.
¶ Damn we even have F-16 fanboy lobby.

We need Pakistani lobby for peaceful, stable & prosperous Pakistan.

We lobby for everyone except ourselves. We are advisers for every foreign cause.
 
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Miftah Ismael? Oh please 😁
Stop being in love with PMLN who destroyed Pakistan's economy View attachment 812007


Miftah Ismael was finance minister in the previous govt of PMLN. If he had any solutions, Pakistan would not have gone nearly bankrupt when his govt ended its term View attachment 812008View attachment 812009
Dar was responsible for keeping PKR overvalued, not him (under him PKR was allowed to devalue in fact, do check). He was sworn in as the finance minister in the last year. Can't expect him to undo the incremental damage of 4 Dar years. Regardless, this interview was shared not for any political value but rather the discussion on what afflicts the Pakistani economy, how an ex-FM sees these afflictions, and dissection of the solutions he puts forth.
 
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Dar was responsible for keeping PKR overvalued, not him (under him PKR was allowed to devalue in fact, do check). He was sworn in as the finance minister in the last year. Can't expect him to undo the incremental damage of 4 Dar years. Regardless, this interview was shared not for any political value but rather the discussion on what afflicts the Pakistani economy, how an ex-FM sees these afflictions, and dissection of the solutions he puts forth.
Why did he defend Dar's policies in the interview?
 
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This a good suggestion used in other Asian countries. But why did PML not implement this concept....they are clearly aware of it.

IMO, if they had implemented it, growth boost from import consumption would have been crushed (making them look bad). So they chose to stick to the import consumption model until the forex ran out and left a mess for the next government.
Precisely, ideas like these shared through the course of this interview were why I shared it so we can have a discussion on these ideas. Miftah was sworn in in the last year of the PML govt as the FM. PML under Sharifs is like a family business. Dar and Sharifs have familial links (Sharif's granddaughter is dar's daughter-in-law). One cannot stand up to these fellows. Miftah only got the op[portunity when these crooks were out of the picture. In the last PML year, exports did see a small revival. Devaluation could be the cause and so could the availability of power.

What Pakistan needs is a charter of the economy. Not only politicians but all elements of the state must sit on a table once and hash out a fully agreed economic agenda including points like import quotas for industries being made contingent on them exporting something. Without across-the-board political, legal consensus, and backing of establishment which uses disgruntled groups to undermine the political system, such drastic reforms could not be taken by a political government. Some of the things done by PTI even could not have been possible had it not had the support of the establishment (SBP bill). However, now PML says it would abolish the bill if it got back to power (hence the need for broad-based consensus).

Charter of economy could be the deliverance.

Why did he defend Dar's policies in the interview?

He only attributed a big jump in revenue collection to Dar. Muzammil got him good by pointing at higher imports leading to swollen FBR revenues (the same is happening today as well courtesy of devaluation and a large import bill). Miftah in fact allowed PKR to devalue after assuming office. Check records.
 
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Good interview but why were all these great ideas not implemented when Miftah et-al and PML were running the show? Sartaj Aziz was doing exactly the same things as he is faulting now for the cyclical boom/bust situation with the economy then.

It goes to show that when you are not in the chair, it is easy to suggest solutions without actually having to deal with all of the challenges that arise in implementation.

It does not take one to be an economist to understand that we need to increase our exports. I like the idea that you only get to import if in the preceding year you exported but let's implement the laws to enforce this.
You might be onto something here. When in power desire meets the realities of a rentier political economy. The only solution to that conundrum is the charter of the economy as I have mentioned above. A political government will always be forced to look at ways to get through an electoral cycle while keeping as many ppl/interest groups happy as possible. It would not try to upend the status quo if it can extract some cheap growth (regardless of its sustainability). It knows that if it does try to attack the status quo, its political flank would be exposed. Case in point PML N's attempt at bringing the trader class into the tax net and the resultant mass protests in the heartland of Punjab with calls to the military to intervene or PPP's aborted VAT regime. What you need to untie the hands of governments is a broad-based consensus on how the economy is to be run regardless of who is in power. This would need not only political players but the judicial representatives and the establishment to sit at one table as well to hash out the details. Otherwise, one disgruntled group is all it takes for extra-constitutional forces to use for the furtherance of their influence in this country. All must agree that no disgruntled group would enjoy their support when the stick of reform strikes at privileges.

I hope I got my point across.

Why do we waste our brain cells on this wannabe milton friedman.

PML-N is the only party in recent history that brought about reduction in exports. This mufta should answer this along with the fact as to why his pizza muncher leader didn't even bother to document even 5% of lahore's economy let alone the whole country.

Janab, people get angry but the fact is the Pakistani corrupt elite's model of running economy is - we strategic, give money or we call you bad zionist juice people.

Isn't it scary that our remittances and foreign aid makes up more than 10% of our entire GDP and despite getting deferred oil payments that we received, God knows how many times, they still go to IMF every 3 years on average.
Exports did rebound in the only year Miftah was FM. Do look at the data. He also undid Dar's policy of keeping PKR overvalued. PS. we would again be going to IMF when this program ends. Even the current dispensation has not been able to change the fundamentals.
 
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Precisely, ideas like these shared through the course of this interview were why I shared it so we can have a discussion on these ideas. Miftah was sworn in in the last year of the PML govt as the FM. PML under Sharifs is like a family business. Dar and Sharifs have familial links (Sharif's granddaughter is dar's daughter-in-law). One cannot stand up to these fellows. Miftah only got the op[portunity when these crooks were out of the picture. In the last PML year, exports did see a small revival. Devaluation could be the cause and so could the availability of power.

What Pakistan needs is a charter of the economy. Not only politicians but all elements of the state must sit on a table once and hash out a fully agreed economic agenda including points like import quotas for industries being made contingent on them exporting something. Without across the board political, legal consensus, and backing of establishment which uses disgruntled groups to upend the political system, such drastic reforms could not be taken by a political government. Some of the things done by PTI even could not have been possible had it not had the support of the establishment (SBP bill). However, now PML says it would abolish the bill if it got back to power.

Charter of economy could be the deliverance.



He only attributed a big jump in revenue collection to Dar. Muzammil got him good by pointing at higher imports leading to swollen FBR revenues (the same is happening today as well courtesy of devaluation and a large import bill). Miftah in fact allowed PKR to devalue after assuming office. Check records.
I have argued this on this forum some time. Elected politicians can not be trusted to make sound economic decisions that have longer term benefits since they only care about short term perceptions while they are in charge. SBP needs to be independent. COAS and security establishment should also be focused on sustainable economic development since this is part of the strategic battlespace and an area where our enemies are trying to press us.
 
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I have argued this on this forum some time. Elected politicians can not be trusted to make sound economic decisions that have longer term benefits since they only care about short term perceptions while they are in charge. SBP needs to be independent. COAS and security establishment should also be focused on sustainable economic development since this is part of the strategic battlespace and an area where our enemies are trying to press us.
They can make these policies provided there is broad-based consensus. Right now, there are too many spoilers in the system (judicial, military, religious, political) who capitalize on the disgruntlement of elements whose privileges come under the scalpel of reform. What is needed is a whole of nation approach where consensus emerges on economic policies and that nobody on the table would try to exploit the disgruntlement of elements hit directly by reforms to undermine the government of the day.

Without doing that, it is correct that politicians would never try to upend the status quo. I hope you are able to understand the point I am trying to get across. The problem is not in politicians per se, but the insecurity they face from various sections of state if they try to modify the rent-seeking character of the country's political economy. Documentation of economy, export/import policy, power policy, agriculture, retail, and real estate taxes; all these are sensitive subjects in Pakistani political economy where well-entrenched interest groups/lobbies/mafias (whatever you want to call them) use all tools at their disposal to retain their privileges. To overcome these powerful groups, a consensus is the only way forward that allows political governments of the day to take on these multi-headed hydras.
 
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Pakistan sure is heading towards a complete break down. May Allah prevent that and give some Hidayat to all of us.
 
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You don’t need this oversmart idiot to tell where the Pakistani economy is headed. Just go on the streets and ask any educated or even uneducated lay man. Sadly, khan and his team has let everyone down. Even more unfortunate is that I don’t see any capable person or party which actually has the skill set to fix things. These parties including the ruling party only look for new ways to fool the people so they can come to power.
 
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Just listened to first 15 minutes..

100% agree to his points regarding privatization of total loss organizations like Steel mills, PIA, railways.

Also on his point for massive import bill caused by automobile companies (toyoyta, suzuki etc). These companies should participate in Exporting instead of only importing parts & assembling.

But the real question is... Why they didn't do these actions when they were in power. How come everyone become smart only in opposition. What I understand is that every party give highest priority to its political benefits. They make money with import duties, they facilitiate their investors / industrialists, do not do any brave action which disturbs vote bank like will not privatize Steel mills or PIA because of all political inductions in these all time loss departments etc. Easy to say such stuff in opposition. Real test was when they were in power.
Any political government will never disturb the cart in our political economy. A broad-based consensus on how the economy would be run and commitment from all political, judicial, and military establishment stakeholders is necessary for any elected government of the day to undertake the much-needed reforms that are keeping our economic potential bottled up. No government would allow its political flank to be exposed in an environment of insecurity where various parliamentary and extra-parliamentary actors capitalize on disgruntlement with the government of the day of the elements whose privileges are under the threat of being cut to size.

Having said that, this fellow didn't even get a full year to do the things he is talking about here. The Dar-Sharif nexus could not be challenged and they were the LAW for 4 years. So, it would be a bit harsh to dump all the failures on his shoulders as an individual. With Sharifs and Dar out of the picture, who knows if he could walk the talk if given enough time. However, I would still remain apprehensive. The real problem is of multiple centers of power in the country and the divergences in their objectives. If this divergence is removed by a dialogue that culminates in a charter of economy after reaching a broad-based consensus on economic policy for the country, we might be able to see the vicious cycle break and difficult, politically unpopular but key reforms being undertaken.

Take the current government for instance, could it dare to enforce a high CGT on the real estate sector to discourage parking of capital in nonproductive speculation that drives up the prices of land and gulps agricultural land in the fertile plains of Punjab? It in fact gave amnesty to tax thieves so they can park their black money in the real estate sector for short-term revenue gains and hard currency (offshore untaxed wealth was remitted as well) gains.

Unpopular decisions such as imposing high CGT on real estate transactions of undeveloped/semi-developed/developed land that makes the interest groups go up in arms can only be taken when the rules of the game ensure no element of state would oblige the rent-seekers.

You don’t need this oversmart idiot to tell where the Pakistani economy is headed. Just go on the streets and ask any educated or even uneducated lay man. Sadly, khan and his team has let everyone down. Even more unfortunate is that I don’t see any capable person or party which actually has the skill set to fix things. These parties including the ruling party only look for new ways to fool the people so they can come to power.
Any elected government in our political economy would concern itself with generating consumption-led bubbles of unsustainable growth that are enough to get it through to the next election. The problem does not appear to be incapacity or lack of recognition of the real problems marring Pakistani political classes as could be learned from this interview. In my assessment, it lies in the risk of getting one's political flank exposed by disturbing the status quo by actually trying to fix the country. A charter of economy is the salvation that brings all constitutional and extra-constitutional players on a single page and defines how the economy of the country would be managed. Any political government of the day could then freely take on the challenges without fearing the political blowback which would be used by state actors or other political groups inside the country. Without a broad-based consensus, no one would try to disturb the cart.
 
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You might be onto something here. When in power desire meets the realities of a rentier political economy. The only solution to that conundrum is the charter of the economy as I have mentioned above. A political government will always be forced to look at ways to get through an electoral cycle while keeping as many ppl/interest groups happy as possible. It would not try to upend the status quo if it can extract some cheap growth (regardless of its sustainability). It knows that if it does try to attack the status quo, its political flank would be exposed. Case in point PML N's attempt at bringing the trader class into the tax net and the resultant mass protests in the heartland of Punjab with calls to the military to intervene or PPP's aborted VAT regime. What you need to untie the hands of governments is a broad-based consensus on how the economy is to be run regardless of who is in power. This would need not only political players but the judicial representatives and the establishment to sit at one table as well to hash out the details. Otherwise, one disgruntled group is all it takes for extra-constitutional forces to use for the furtherance of their influence in this country. All must agree that no disgruntled group would enjoy their support when the stick of reform strikes at privileges.

I hope I got my point across.


Exports did rebound in the only year Miftah was FM. Do look at the data. He also undid Dar's policy of keeping PKR overvalued. PS. we would again be going to IMF when this program ends. Even the current dispensation has not been able to change the fundamentals.
Miftah Ismail quoted South Korea and its development. Hopefully history wasn't lost on him that all of the reforms and the foundations for SK's growth were laid by a military strong-man. There was no "electoral cycle" to worry about thus things took hold and the country took off.

Our challenge remains in that each government moves in, bemoans the economic excrement left behind by the previous government, stays focused on populist economic policies and even if they put in reform-minded policies, the next government simply overrules and starts anew, thus the decades old boom-bust cycle perpetuates.

The reality of the situation is that our country simply does not have the brains to think out of the box and also the guts to stick through hard economic times. Most of the expat Pakistani hot-shots that are brought in from WB/IMF etc. to run our economy are essentially nobodies, certainly not thought leaders, in those institutions who in turn come in and do the same stuff that has failed 10x before. It is just a different person trying the same remedy.

Perhaps the real issue is that maybe the IMF formula is the right one, but if each and every time we start and then stop mid-way because the political pain is too much, then we end up exactly where we have been for 5 decades.

I have no idea who can fix this except the fact that the economy needs to be rebooted. Our anemic exports need to be increased to address this balance of payment challenge, and lastly, our beghairat Pakistanis need to pay their taxes. The last part is the most disgusting attribute of Pakistanis and when you see this perpetuate, you have very little sympathy for the sob stories.
 
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Miftah Ismail quoted South Korea and its development. Hopefully history wasn't lost on him that all of the reforms and the foundations for SK's growth were laid by a military strong-man. There was no "electoral cycle" to worry about thus things took hold and the country took off.

Our challenge remains in that each government moves in, bemoans the economic excrement left behind by the previous government, stays focused on populist economic policies and even if they put in reform-minded policies, the next government simply overrules and starts anew, thus the decades old boom-bust cycle perpetuates.

The reality of the situation is that our country simply does not have the brains to think out of the box. Most of the expat Pakistani hot-shots that are brought in from WB/IMF etc. to run our economy are essentially steady-eddies in those institutions who in turn come in and do the same stuff that has failed 10x before. It is just a different person trying the same remedy.

However, perhaps the real issue clearly is that maybe the IMF formula is the right one, but if each and every time we start and then stop mid-way because the political pain is too much, then we end up exactly where we have been for 5 decades.

I have no idea who can fix this except the fact that the economy needs to be rebooted. Our anemic exports need to be increased to address this balance of payment, and lastly, Pakistanis MUST pay their taxes. The last part is the most disgusting attribute of Pakistanis.
He did note that grudgingly about SK. The point about the electoral cycle was not made by him. His idea is something that has not been tried before. Import quotas linked to exports is something that could actually work and push manufacturers to begin churning exports rather than seeking rent from the state for developing substandard products that get dumped into the local market and in order to jack up growth, you have to fuel consumption so the industrial output swells to meet increasing demand.

The solution is an exports led growth. No other variety of growth could be sustained in a country like Pakistan with a limited manufacturing base where most of the public capital is locked in unproductive speculative segments of the economy like real estate. People make fortunes by driving up the prices of land. No real wealth creation takes place. Such accumulation of capital further fuels consumption (hence, imports due to limited domestic manufacturing base) while making housing a distant dream for lower and lower-middle classes.

However, who would bell the cat? Who would change the character of a rent-seeking political economy? I don't think anyone can until a broad-based consensus has arrived among all political and non-political players on how to run the economy and how not to exploit the grievances of groups hurt by any government's reform that aims to put that charter into practice. Either you do that or get a growth-oriented dictator like SK who puts your country on the path to sustainable progress (very ineffective, as enlightened monarchs in the past were few and far in between in history).
 
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