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The global economic downturn appears to be never-ending. Political unrest is acute around the world. The lack of respect for international law has never been greater. Nations are arming despite the downturn and doing so at a rate that does not suggest modernization or replacement. With all said and done, this could still not spell imminent danger. But with China arming Pakistan with such urgency as to forgo its own defense needs, something appears to be happening behind secure doors, walls, guards, wire-fences and surveillance cameras.

The Chinese military-industrial complex has been busy over the last two decades at full throttle, attempting to catch-up to the West. There have been many stumbling points, including a frustrating inability to produce quality turbo-fan engines for her fighters, the loss of top Electronic Warfare (EW) and airborne radar scientists and rivalries between different corporatocracies.



The Qing Class Submarines will be among the largest conventional submarines in the world.
Displacement: 5,200 tons (submerged), 3,200 (surfaced), Length: 92 meters. (Author's estimates)


However, in 2011, China has finally reached a position where it can begin to see itself as comparable to the West in key aspects such as technology, expertise and military capability.

At the critical juncture where the successful J-10B is to enter mass production and produce a dazzling plane deploying AESA radars and other advanced military technology, we find a strange occurrence. China has dedicated its J-10B production to meet Pakistan’s pressing needs. Such a level of cooperation and collaboration is unparalleled in modern history. Not even the United States has been willing to act in a similar fashion with Israel.

The Soviet Union and United States have long had allied states but have never sacrificed their own defense needs for its allies in a similar manner. China is not only willing to send J-10Bs, 58 odd planes of which are being produced for Pakistan with special customization as per the requirements of the Pakistan Air Force, but is also handing 50 new JF-17 Block IIs with stealth technology and possibly AESA radars.

Meanwhile, the Pakistan Navy (PN) is slated for brand new submarines at financing that is beyond friendship prices and rates. Again, China’s latest submarine the Type 043 Qing Class, yet to be inducted into the Chinese navy and the pride of China’s technological and engineering elite, is being manufactured for Pakistan.

Six odd submarines, which are among the largest conventional vessels manufactured by humanity thus far and closer to the displacement of nuclear submarines, capable of firing nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and possibly a single ballistic missile are also part of a rapid program to transform the Pakistan Navy. The submarines are technological on par with anything the West can or has built with regard to conventional submarines. These behemoths and technological marvels are built on technologies that has taken over 20 years for China to develop including Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) that allows submarines to stay submerged for weeks and (possibly) pump jet propulsion, a propulsion system yet to be implemented even in Western conventional submarines.

SUBMARINES COMPARED
Class
Surface Displacement (tons, dived)
Length (meters)
Kilo (636)
4,000
73.8
Song
2,250
75
Yuan
3,600
75
Qing
5,200*
92*
*Author’s own estimate

Such submarines change the naval balance in the Indian Ocean overnight, responding with the “positive asymmetry” to threats that this writer has been calling for vis-à-vis the Indian career and massive surface fleet destroyers and frigates. To complement, large nearly destroyer size frigates are also slated for Pakistan, with two Type 054 class ships to be taken out of Chinese naval use and put under the green star and sickle moon. A new class of improved smaller frigates designated F-23P and possibly larger ships in the class of the 054A are also likely to follow.

With the Qing Class, the PN will be able to pop on any side of the Indian Ocean and blow any port, city or entire states into ashes and dust. Pakistan’s nuclear triad would be complete and all discussions of seizing Pakistan’s nukes would become a story of the past.

This rapid military buildup in Pakistan post Bin Laden is unprecedented and a possible indicator of trouble ahead. It is widely believed in Pakistani circles that the United States, India and Israel (among other nefarious double-dealing nations) are looking to break Pakistan and remove the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons.

50 new JF-17 Block IIs gifted to Pakistan will join numerous others being manufactured in Pakistan from multiple factories in-country.
Specifications:
Infra-Red Search & Track (IRST), In-Flight Refueling (IFR), Low Observable technology, New composite airframe, HOBS missiles, superior EW.




They have argued at all levels that their elite are secular, that they have full authority and carefully planned control of their nuclear weapons. That they want to be a part of the global world and are willing to tow America’s line. But such voices have always fallen on deaf ears.

As Muhammad Asad (formerly Leopold Weiss) noted, the West has an innate hatred for Islam born from the Crusades which was the first epic in their history, and from which they saw themselves with a new identity. Just as major events in our childhood leave a lasting impression and long-held biases, the West has, and will always hold Islam and Muslims to a different standard than either themselves or all else.

Thus it is for Pakistan now to sharpen her blade and await whatever fate has in store for her. What remains to be seen is what end game is to be played in Afghanistan and how the US & friends can manage to turn this into a battlefield into Pakistan. Somebody has to be pretending to leave while pumping foreign fighters supposedly in the name of the Taliban into Pakistan. These mercenaries, often uncircumcised and thus openly indicating their origins have thus far been effectively countered by the Pakistan Army.




The Dragon’s new claws will now be serving the Pakistan Air Force. As originally analyzed by this author, 58 (and not 36) J-10Bs / FC-20s are being purchased from China.
Meanwhile, India is being fully armed and prepared for a yet undisclosed role. There are an unknown number of CIA agents inside Pakistan and an even larger number of India’s RAW. To Pakistan’s west sits NATO and every brand of mercenary the CIA, Mossad and RAW can muster. To the East: India, ever present, waits with its Cold Start doctrine. All that is needed is a major false flag attack to allow India and / or NATO to find an excuse to either blockade Pakistan or attempt to attack its naval and air assets without setting of the nuclear trip wire. Meanwhile, billions are being spent to destabilize Pakistan internally.

This is where China’s ace has mattered most; a rapid modernization which will allow the PAF to field over 150 BVR capable combat aircraft in a short span of time. It will allow Pakistan to turn tables against the Indian Navy, with a capability that can effectively turn the Indian Ocean into a minefield. Pakistan and China are playing their cards wisely and the response remains to be seen. Will Pakistan’s enemies attempt to neutralize the threat before Pakistan becomes impregnable? Game, set and match.
http://www.grandestrategy.com/2011/06/9583891292923-is-pakistan-preparing-to.html
 
Grandstrategy has a history of sexing up stories.

OT. Americans have failed to convince India into attacking Pakistan so far which is why Mr Manmohan once the darling of the western corporate media has now been turned into an underachiever.

The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Modi is known for anti Pakistan stance and in western mind , capitalizing on his existent hatered for Islam and Pakistan , he can be made to do what MMS hasn't been able to.

India is not stupid , they know Pakistani response of such an adventure would bring fatal results for them. Americans will fail in such a plan as a war ignighted by India using a false flag attack would start war on two fronts not one.

My prediction is. Yankeed are meant to bite the rock in Asia !
 
The global economic downturn appears to be never-ending. Political unrest is acute around the world. The lack of respect for international law has never been greater. Nations are arming despite the downturn and doing so at a rate that does not suggest modernization or replacement. With all said and done, this could still not spell imminent danger. But with China arming Pakistan with such urgency as to forgo its own defense needs, something appears to be happening behind secure doors, walls, guards, wire-fences and surveillance cameras.

The Chinese military-industrial complex has been busy over the last two decades at full throttle, attempting to catch-up to the West. There have been many stumbling points, including a frustrating inability to produce quality turbo-fan engines for her fighters, the loss of top Electronic Warfare (EW) and airborne radar scientists and rivalries between different corporatocracies.



The Qing Class Submarines will be among the largest conventional submarines in the world.
Displacement: 5,200 tons (submerged), 3,200 (surfaced), Length: 92 meters. (Author's estimates)


However, in 2011, China has finally reached a position where it can begin to see itself as comparable to the West in key aspects such as technology, expertise and military capability.

At the critical juncture where the successful J-10B is to enter mass production and produce a dazzling plane deploying AESA radars and other advanced military technology, we find a strange occurrence. China has dedicated its J-10B production to meet Pakistan’s pressing needs. Such a level of cooperation and collaboration is unparalleled in modern history. Not even the United States has been willing to act in a similar fashion with Israel.

The Soviet Union and United States have long had allied states but have never sacrificed their own defense needs for its allies in a similar manner. China is not only willing to send J-10Bs, 58 odd planes of which are being produced for Pakistan with special customization as per the requirements of the Pakistan Air Force, but is also handing 50 new JF-17 Block IIs with stealth technology and possibly AESA radars.

Meanwhile, the Pakistan Navy (PN) is slated for brand new submarines at financing that is beyond friendship prices and rates. Again, China’s latest submarine the Type 043 Qing Class, yet to be inducted into the Chinese navy and the pride of China’s technological and engineering elite, is being manufactured for Pakistan.

Six odd submarines, which are among the largest conventional vessels manufactured by humanity thus far and closer to the displacement of nuclear submarines, capable of firing nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and possibly a single ballistic missile are also part of a rapid program to transform the Pakistan Navy. The submarines are technological on par with anything the West can or has built with regard to conventional submarines. These behemoths and technological marvels are built on technologies that has taken over 20 years for China to develop including Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) that allows submarines to stay submerged for weeks and (possibly) pump jet propulsion, a propulsion system yet to be implemented even in Western conventional submarines.

SUBMARINES COMPARED
Class
Surface Displacement (tons, dived)
Length (meters)
Kilo (636)
4,000
73.8
Song
2,250
75
Yuan
3,600
75
Qing
5,200*
92*
*Author’s own estimate

Such submarines change the naval balance in the Indian Ocean overnight, responding with the “positive asymmetry” to threats that this writer has been calling for vis-à-vis the Indian career and massive surface fleet destroyers and frigates. To complement, large nearly destroyer size frigates are also slated for Pakistan, with two Type 054 class ships to be taken out of Chinese naval use and put under the green star and sickle moon. A new class of improved smaller frigates designated F-23P and possibly larger ships in the class of the 054A are also likely to follow.

With the Qing Class, the PN will be able to pop on any side of the Indian Ocean and blow any port, city or entire states into ashes and dust. Pakistan’s nuclear triad would be complete and all discussions of seizing Pakistan’s nukes would become a story of the past.

This rapid military buildup in Pakistan post Bin Laden is unprecedented and a possible indicator of trouble ahead. It is widely believed in Pakistani circles that the United States, India and Israel (among other nefarious double-dealing nations) are looking to break Pakistan and remove the only Muslim country with nuclear weapons.

50 new JF-17 Block IIs gifted to Pakistan will join numerous others being manufactured in Pakistan from multiple factories in-country.
Specifications:
Infra-Red Search & Track (IRST), In-Flight Refueling (IFR), Low Observable technology, New composite airframe, HOBS missiles, superior EW.




They have argued at all levels that their elite are secular, that they have full authority and carefully planned control of their nuclear weapons. That they want to be a part of the global world and are willing to tow America’s line. But such voices have always fallen on deaf ears.

As Muhammad Asad (formerly Leopold Weiss) noted, the West has an innate hatred for Islam born from the Crusades which was the first epic in their history, and from which they saw themselves with a new identity. Just as major events in our childhood leave a lasting impression and long-held biases, the West has, and will always hold Islam and Muslims to a different standard than either themselves or all else.

Thus it is for Pakistan now to sharpen her blade and await whatever fate has in store for her. What remains to be seen is what end game is to be played in Afghanistan and how the US & friends can manage to turn this into a battlefield into Pakistan. Somebody has to be pretending to leave while pumping foreign fighters supposedly in the name of the Taliban into Pakistan. These mercenaries, often uncircumcised and thus openly indicating their origins have thus far been effectively countered by the Pakistan Army.




The Dragon’s new claws will now be serving the Pakistan Air Force. As originally analyzed by this author, 58 (and not 36) J-10Bs / FC-20s are being purchased from China.
Meanwhile, India is being fully armed and prepared for a yet undisclosed role. There are an unknown number of CIA agents inside Pakistan and an even larger number of India’s RAW. To Pakistan’s west sits NATO and every brand of mercenary the CIA, Mossad and RAW can muster. To the East: India, ever present, waits with its Cold Start doctrine. All that is needed is a major false flag attack to allow India and / or NATO to find an excuse to either blockade Pakistan or attempt to attack its naval and air assets without setting of the nuclear trip wire. Meanwhile, billions are being spent to destabilize Pakistan internally.

This is where China’s ace has mattered most; a rapid modernization which will allow the PAF to field over 150 BVR capable combat aircraft in a short span of time. It will allow Pakistan to turn tables against the Indian Navy, with a capability that can effectively turn the Indian Ocean into a minefield. Pakistan and China are playing their cards wisely and the response remains to be seen. Will Pakistan’s enemies attempt to neutralize the threat before Pakistan becomes impregnable? Game, set and match.
Grande Strategy

Pakistan for China is like England for The US, if not more due to their proximity.
No one can stop the modernisation of Pakistan's armed forces, since they will have to deal with china too, according to the article's analysis and mine also.
 
The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Don't you know batman is a negative person. :lol:

The Dark knight.... The most negative name.... What happened with Film crew at very first Dark Knight movie? Most of them died.... And Now this.... The word Dark itself a evil. Batman is hero for Evil worshipers.... Batman is a evil figure.... America made it a Hero.... Why won't they? Anything negative energy name produces fear and tragic incidents.... Am very sensitive to negative energy. i watched half dark knight movie and woke up, went out because i was feeling suffocated and dizzy.... Reptilians (with the help of Giant greys) has strong hold over film industry which actors, actresses, directors, singers etc etc.... How to spread anger and fear? Just through movies.... And then simply collect the negative energy....

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...premier-shooting-local-radio.html#post3207449
 
A fair amount of Jingoism went into this article.. and just mere statements have been turned into actual purchases.
 
Grandstrategy has a history of sexing up stories.

OT. Americans have failed to convince India into attacking Pakistan so far which is why Mr Manmohan once the darling of the western corporate media has now been turned into an underachiever.

The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Modi is known for anti Pakistan stance and in western mind , capitalizing on his existent hatered for Islam and Pakistan , he can be made to do what MMS hasn't been able to.

India is not stupid , they know Pakistani response of such an adventure would bring fatal results for them. Americans will fail in such a plan as a war ignighted by India using a false flag attack would start war on two fronts not one.

My prediction is. Yankeed are meant to bite the rock in Asia !

You are joking ........ain't you ...........

If not that is so much BS in a single post and you are a moderator ........:no:
 
Why pakistan is so much afraid of India??

We are not going to attack pakistan ever its all pakistan army created myth just to suck the budget of pakistani people.
:rolleyes:

India's only wanted to destroy terrorist training camps, that's all.

Look at Bangladesh before 1971 it was pakistan but now India have not invaded it because we don't to.
:angel:
 
The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Modi is known for anti Pakistan stance and in western mind , capitalizing on his existent hatered for Islam and Pakistan , he can be made to do what MMS hasn't been able to.

The same Mr. Modi whom the Americans just refuse to give visa ?

India is not stupid , they know Pakistani response of such an adventure would bring fatal results for them. Americans will fail in such a plan as a war ignighted by India using a false flag attack would start war on two fronts not one.

My prediction is. Yankeed are meant to bite the rock in Asia !

Irrespective of what the AMericans want India to do.

Another 26/11 type attack and rest assured the only way for GoI to regain face would be to show fireworks on Pakistan land and airspace.
 
Grandstrategy has a history of sexing up stories.

OT. Americans have failed to convince India into attacking Pakistan so far which is why Mr Manmohan once the darling of the western corporate media has now been turned into an underachiever.

The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Modi is known for anti Pakistan stance and in western mind , capitalizing on his existent hatered for Islam and Pakistan , he can be made to do what MMS hasn't been able to.

India is not stupid , they know Pakistani response of such an adventure would bring fatal results for them. Americans will fail in such a plan as a war ignighted by India using a false flag attack would start war on two fronts not one.

My prediction is. Yankeed are meant to bite the rock in Asia !

We have million of reasons to select Narendra Modi over any other candidate n not just bcoz he is anti-pak

this might come as a surprise to u but for ur kind information Narendra Modi is more pro china n anti Ameriiikkka as u might not knw NM is not even allowed US Visa he is the only person in the world who is denied US Visa for the reason of communal violence

N ur here busy building ur dream castle about US support for NM bcoz he is anti pak
What r u thinking that India n US r going to start a war against pak the movement NM wins elections :undecided:

Then give urself a break bro our world does not revolve around pakistan we have our own thousands of problem to solve

infact NM can change the entire game of US if he is able to solve the border dispute between India n China:azn:
 
The same Mr. Modi whom the Americans just refuse to give visa ?



Irrespective of what the AMericans want India to do.

Another 26/11 type attack and rest assured the only way for GoI to regain face would be to show fireworks on Pakistan land and airspace.

and then GOI will see flowers being showered on Indian airspace and land in return. :rolleyes:

Only winners in such a conflict would be Americans.
 
Grandstrategy has a history of sexing up stories.

OT. Americans have failed to convince India into attacking Pakistan so far which is why Mr Manmohan once the darling of the western corporate media has now been turned into an underachiever.

The new darling is the mass murderer of Muslims Mr Modi who is now being projected as the 'batman' of India. We have to wonder why ?

Modi is known for anti Pakistan stance and in western mind , capitalizing on his existent hatered for Islam and Pakistan , he can be made to do what MMS hasn't been able to.

India is not stupid , they know Pakistani response of such an adventure would bring fatal results for them. Americans will fail in such a plan as a war ignighted by India using a false flag attack would start war on two fronts not one.

My prediction is. Yankeed are meant to bite the rock in Asia !

The West certainly won't associate itself with Narendra nath Modi.

Chances of him winning are bleak.
 
Yogi. Please read my post carefuly before replying. I stated what 'US' may try to do with NM not what NM is and isn't.
 
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