Is India working on Extented Range BrahMos EX ?

[jha]

Is India working on Extended Range BrahMos EX ?

Rumored or unconfirmed sources have provided details India may be working on the extended range Brahmos ,also known in the circles as BrahMos EX .

India first tested BrahMos way back in 2001, earlier it was known as PJ-10 and from the start of the joint venture it has been documented that India wanted to work on a Medium range supersonic cruise missile with range of 500 to 600 km ,which can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land.

But due to MTCR restrictions Russia was forced to work on a limited range 290km missiles , but many in ” circles ” believed that range could be extended once the perfect ” Technological know off ” is acquired of the missiles .

India on its own was able to field Brahmos Block-II with little Russian assistance and also is working on Hypersonic version of it which will enable to travel at twice the current speed .


Is India working on Extented Range BrahMos EX ? idrw.org

 

[jha]

 

[deckingraj]

Is India working on Extended Range BrahMos EX ?

Rumored or unconfirmed sources have provided details India may be working on the extended range Brahmos ,also known in the circles as BrahMos EX .

India first tested BrahMos way back in 2001, earlier it was known as PJ-10 and from the start of the joint venture it has been documented that India wanted to work on a Medium range supersonic cruise missile with range of 500 to 600 km ,which can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land.

But due to MTCR restrictions Russia was forced to work on a limited range 290km missiles , but many in ” circles ” believed that range could be extended once the perfect ” Technological know off ” is acquired of the missiles .

India on its own was able to field Brahmos Block-II with little Russian assistance and also is working on Hypersonic version of it which will enable to travel at twice the current speed .


Is India working on Extented Range BrahMos EX ? idrw.org

I wont be surprised if that is real however as far as range and quest to have hypersonic cruise missiles with higher ranges than don't we have Shaurya as land version and Sagarika as Submarine version program already in place???....So we do have the technology and work is going on....

Having said it Brahmos EX(in other words higher range of hypersonic brahmos) would be a real asset...

 

[Justin Joseph]

answer is no.

1. It can have more range then declared one by few kms, that's it. Around 300-320 but not more than that.

2. As every missile is designed to have some capacity changes in future, i.e. the payload/range can be manipulated/increase in future.
But 500-600 kms is too much. It can't be true.

3. Also, we don't need 500-600 kms Brahmos as we already have Shaurya a hybrid Hypersonic missile with the range of 750 kms.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Hypersonic speed with a longer range........sounds deadly...sounds shaurya.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

3. Also, we don't need 500-600 kms Brahmos as we already have Shaurya a hybrid Hypersonic missile with the range of 750 kms.

I thought Shaurya's range is more than 750 km..

 

[Gene]

I thought Shaurya's range is more than 750 km..

India is developing many kinds of new missiles..

1) Brahmos block-1,Brahmos block-2 supersonic cruise missile:range 290 km.

2) Brahmos hypersonic cruise missile:range 290 km.

3) Shaurya hypersonic surface to surface tactical missile:range 750-1000 km.

4) Nirbhay sub-sonic stealth cruise missile :range 1000 km+

 

[genetic_nomad]

developing different types of missiles would be good (assuming sufficient financial backing) since it would develop our understanding of missile tech which can then be applied across the board.
seeker & propulsion tech would stand to gain immensely

 

[frodo]

developing different types of missiles would be good (assuming sufficient financial backing) since it would develop our understanding of missile tech which can then be applied across the board.
seeker & propulsion tech would stand to gain immensely

Don't worry about the financial issues. I think India aconomy is in far more better shape than it was 10-15 years ago. So is Indian government. Just imagine, when Indian goverment is publicly making such huge increases the defence budget every year, what it would be doing secretely on various defecnce projects about which we don't any idea yet. We will get to about some of them when they will be ready and won't ever know about some ever.

 

[Dash]

Hi Fellow members -

This sometimes confuses me.
If we are making Shaurya, which is hypersonic, Has a range of 750 to 1000 (and its true)Kms, can be launched from Subs (remember its a primary weapon for Arihant).

Then why are we investing on a Hypersonic version of Brahmos with same or a little added range, which has got the same features....

Help me out here...

 

[jha]

SHAURYA is supposed to be a SLCM imo..while BRAHMOS is all rounder.....

 

[Mauryan]

Actually the problem with Brahmos liquid fueled ramjet is,it can be tweaked for extra range with a trade off in speed.

It was one of the concerns in exporting the missile to other countries.Most of the countries dont really need a Mach 2.8 missile for their AShM or LACM role.

When rumors were spread accross the netizens that Brahmos has a range spread from 290km to 550km, its not just rumor but its a blatant fact.Brahmos is a mission specific weapon system.It can be adopted according to the enemies capabilities.

When people said,it got Artificial Intelligence-many simply discarded it.Be it ignorance of others capabilities or ignorance of such systems itself.

Its much better to close this Brahmos chapter with the induction of Brahmos-II.

One has to look at other oppertunities like adapting a LACM Shourya for AShM role.Its not worth to keep on laying foundations for new systems one after other.One has to consolidate the already laid foundation.

Brahmos-II will be last in this spectrum.While India will be utilising its own resources obatined in the name of HSTDV.One has to understand that,range was never a problem,but bringing up a capable system was.Once you got the weapon of your choice,tweaking it is a matter of time and objectives.

 

[Mauryan]

Hi Fellow members -

This sometimes confuses me.
If we are making Shaurya, which is hypersonic, Has a range of 750 to 1000 (and its true)Kms, can be launched from Subs (remember its a primary weapon for Arihant).

Then why are we investing on a Hypersonic version of Brahmos with same or a little added range, which has got the same features....

Help me out here...

Shourya was primarily considered as an highly manueverable hypersonic LACM for strategic needs w.r.t pak in the near future for a standard second strike option.
It true range is still away from the grasping powers of ordinary citizens(due to its strategic nature),while a modest range meant for public was 750-1950km(for varrying payloads).

Still this shourya will be used against high value targets on chinese mainland in the range of 2000km while the farther targets will be supplemented by Agni series.

A hypersonic Brahmos-II still have 300km range no matter what.Russia is a signatory to MTCR. Hence it is only in the Indian interests to exercise different options.
A Brahmos-II basically fits into the same launch canister with no or less modifications.And the development costs goes hand in hand considering the both parties R&D in the scramjet engines unlike liquid fueled ramjets.Brahmos-II is also important to India because it also has its very own program with intercontinental ranges.Here were are witnessing a R&D sharing on a program by program basis while consolidating the expertise.

Brahmos class were Hi end missiles and are certainly costly.They does really need supplements in the name of Nirbhay ,Ashwin,Shourya,.....
Since the Indias doctrine calls for less boots on ground as much as possible,it is going to rely on missiles and airstrikes.Hence its much better to get hold of as many types as possible.
One area of cold start strictly calls for nuetralising enemy while staying on this side of the border.And long ranged cruise missiles (of various types) which can be mass produced are considered the best option.
A sub-sonic Nirbhay will be rolled out with a price tag of $300-350k depending on variants.

And for your concern with Shourya being a SLCM for Arihant:

Arihant can only be an operational deterence only and untill the next two SSBNs gets inducted.and Their primary weapon of choise will be A-IV(which is aka A-III SLBM)
After those two SSBNs gets inducted Arihant primarily be considered for testing purpose and limited operational usage.

Soon brahmos,sagarika will be tested from Arihant.And then AgniSLBM will be tested.

 

[faithfulguy]

Shourya was primarily considered as an highly manueverable hypersonic LACM for strategic needs w.r.t pak in the near future for a standard second strike option.
It true range is still away from the grasping powers of ordinary citizens(due to its strategic nature),while a modest range meant for public was 750-1950km(for varrying payloads).

Still this shourya will be used against high value targets on chinese mainland in the range of 2000km while the farther targets will be supplemented by Agni series.

A hypersonic Brahmos-II still have 300km range no matter what.Russia is a signatory to MTCR. Hence it is only in the Indian interests to exercise different options.
A Brahmos-II basically fits into the same launch canister with no or less modifications.And the development costs goes hand in hand considering the both parties R&D in the scramjet engines unlike liquid fueled ramjets.Brahmos-II is also important to India because it also has its very own program with intercontinental ranges.Here were are witnessing a R&D sharing on a program by program basis while consolidating the expertise.

Brahmos class were Hi end missiles and are certainly costly.They does really need supplements in the name of Nirbhay ,Ashwin,Shourya,.....
Since the Indias doctrine calls for less boots on ground as much as possible,it is going to rely on missiles and airstrikes.Hence its much better to get hold of as many types as possible.
One area of cold start strictly calls for nuetralising enemy while staying on this side of the border.And long ranged cruise missiles (of various types) which can be mass produced are considered the best option.
A sub-sonic Nirbhay will be rolled out with a price tag of $300-350k depending on variants.

And for your concern with Shourya being a SLCM for Arihant:

Arihant can only be an operational deterence only and untill the next two SSBNs gets inducted.and Their primary weapon of choise will be A-IV(which is aka A-III SLBM)
After those two SSBNs gets inducted Arihant primarily be considered for testing purpose and limited operational usage.

Soon brahmos,sagarika will be tested from Arihant.And then AgniSLBM will be tested.

How can a sub test so many weapons. Is Arihant just a test platform and then Indian plan to develop true ballastic missile subs?

Most other countries that has SLBM also has such subs that are mainly to test missiles for another platforms so I'm wondering if Arihant serve the same role.

 

[Honor]

How can a sub test so many weapons. Is Arihant just a test platform and then Indian plan to develop true ballastic missile subs?

Most other countries that has SLBM also has such subs that are mainly to test missiles for another platforms so I'm wondering if Arihant serve the same role.

Indian are just bullshiting again!