IS INDIA LOSING RUSSIA?

[MrDecode]

Strategic ties between Russia and India is off. What we see now and then are the closing shots. Commercial is different.

All strategic ties were also bought by money..India is now finding different options..

 

[asad71]

The emerging global polarization places China gradually getting closer to the Muslim world, Asians and Africans. Imperial America is fast loosing its place as a super power. Decadence and gross immortality have set in the American society with the top echelon of the nation afflicted like the Romans and others before their fall. Beyond the Pacific, Japan, Singapore and India may be the only stooges USA will have.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

The emerging global polarization places China gradually getting closer to the Muslim world, Asians and Africans. Imperial America is fast loosing its place as a super power. Decadence and gross immortality have set in the American society with the top echelon of the nation afflicted like the Romans and others before their fall. Beyond the Pacific, Japan, Singapore and India may be the only stooges USA will have.

Immature analysis.The US isn't down & certainly not out & while PRC has come a long way in the 21st century it has much distance to cover to be counted on as a superpower in every sense of the word.There's usually a slip between the cup & the lip.

PRC's close engagement with Muslim nations is two fold to secure energy supplies & to guard against any adverse developments in the Xinjiang province. The only exception seems to be is it's engagement of Pakistan which seems well rounded only in the past few years ( I'm referring to the CPEC which was announced a couple of years ago before which all engagement with Pakistan was restricted to military supplies & collaborations , the N arena & strategic affairs ) .

In case of Africa , while PRC has invested & extracted a lot out of their relationships with the African nations by no means are they sole players there .US , EU , Japan , South Korea , India & off late member states of the ASEAN too have increased their engagement .The same holds true of Muslim nations .

You seem to have constructed your prognosis to fit in with your biases & not on ground realitites .

 

[Hyde]

There are no friend and foes in politics. It is all mutual interests as we have read this statement few thousand times on PDF

The more India leans towards the United States, the more Russia develops relationship with Pakistan. Some of my Indian friends thinks that throwing money towards Russia will keep them happy but they do not realise that if they want to be friend of Russia it has to be rather based on mutual interests rather than buying Russia with money.

Russia is not a poor country to begin with, it seems to be just doing business with India and wouldn't mind curtailing her relationship with India if the influx of cash stops or conflicts with their core national interest. Although the dynamics of the world has changed a lot since cold war but there is still a strong sense of undeclared lobby of NATO vs Russia + China (the gap left by Soviet is filled by China). So by saying India can remain neutral and maintain strong relationship with all nations and get the best out of each nation is not possible. The west is showering blessings on India so that they reduce the dominance of other lobby and Russia and China knows it. So they tilt more towards Pakistan and other nations that they think can help grow their dominance.

Pakistan have historically been part of Western lobby as you all know but they realised west is not a natural ally of Pakistan so they have followed somewhat India's path of becoming more and more neutral but in their attempt to become neutral they have come closer to China+Russia lobby and strained her relationship with the United States. Similar is the case for India, in their attempt to come closer to west they have strained their relationship with Russia. Russia is definitely doing a lot of deals with India but there is a strong sense of business in it rather than mutual interests which seems to have been slightly imbalanced by India.

 

[A_Poster]

Ans: No.
Is Russia losing India?
Ans: No.

In short to medium term, answer to both is YES.

Russia ,due to economic hardships and conflict with USA is siding with China atm, but in long term, strong China is not conducive to Russian interests as it gobbles up Russian influence in CAR and elsewhere and could potentially gobble up Serbia too. China already has a map to claim Serbia, so if relations pull through in medium terms, they would flourish in long.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

In short to medium term, answer to both is YES.

Russia ,due to economic hardships and conflict with USA is siding with China atm, but in long term, strong China is not conducive to Russian interests as it gobbles up Russian influence in CAR and elsewhere and could potentially gobble up Serbia too. China already has a map to claim Serbia, so if relations pull through in medium terms, they would flourish in long.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

There are no friend and foes in politics. It is all mutual interests as we have read this statement few thousand times on PDF

The more India leans towards the United States, the more Russia develops relationship with Pakistan. Some of my Indian friends thinks that throwing money towards Russia will keep them happy but they do not realise that if they want to be friend of Russia it has to be rather based on mutual interests rather than buying Russia with money.

Russia is not a poor country to begin with, it seems to be just doing business with India and wouldn't mind curtailing her relationship with India if the influx of cash stops or conflicts with their core national interest. Although the dynamics of the world has changed a lot since cold war but there is still a strong sense of undeclared lobby of NATO vs Russia + China (the gap left by Soviet is filled by China). So by saying India can remain neutral and maintain strong relationship with all nations and get the best out of each nation is not possible. The west is showering blessings on India so that they reduce the dominance of other lobby and Russia and China knows it. So they tilt more towards Pakistan and other nations that they think can help grow their dominance.

Pakistan have historically been part of Western lobby as you all know but they realised west is not a natural ally of Pakistan so they have followed somewhat India's path of becoming more and more neutral but in their attempt to become neutral they have come closer to China+Russia lobby and strained her relationship with the United States. Similar is the case for India, in their attempt to come closer to west they have strained their relationship with Russia. Russia is definitely doing a lot of deals with India but there is a strong sense of business in it rather than mutual interests which seems to have been slightly imbalanced by India.

I would disagree.The starting point of any relationship is lack of animosity.This is the first principle & will continue to be the bedrock to the build up of any relationship between societies & nations.Shared values , mutual conomic benefits, defence ties , strategic relationships , etc all follow the firsr principle .

Indo Russian ties are devoid & will be devoid of any mutual animosity & recrimination.Having said that it will flow & ebb depending on time.After all , relations between India & Russia weren't exactly warm in the Yeltsin era post the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

I don't need to add to the history of how the Soviet Union's relationship with either Pakistan or China was like in the cold war .The present close engagement between the Chinese & Russians is not something the Russians would be too happy about but they seem to have little choice in the matter.Both Russia & India will be crucial pivotal states in this grab for allies between the US & China with India's potential growing as it's economy grows & Russia's being slightly limited. Please do not rule out a Kissinger moment between the US & Russia in the mid to long term future.

Russia is more of a European power than an Asian one .Having said that , it is up against a formidable Chinese presence for influence ( in Central Asia ) & land ( most of the Russian far east including the port of Vladivostok was seized upon by Tsarist Russia from Qing ruled China .) apart from a growing guest worker Chinese population apart from illegal migrants in Siberia already outnumbering Russian citizens . That's something both sides haven't forgotten .

Russia will continue to engage Pakistan for the same reason that the US & to a lesser extent the EU or Japan does .Being a bearer of N weapons , coupled with being a battleground for Islamic terrorism apart from being a key player in controlling such assets as well has boosted Pakistan's nuisance value tremendously .

The engagement by the Russians will be in the form of joint exercises , supply of non lethal weapons or not so lethal weapons ( like the Mi 35 copters ) , infrastructure & economic engagement. You will never see Russia constructing N plants or selling weapons like the S - 400 SAM's or even JV's like the PAKFA / FGFA type ventures .You could see a lot of activities in the infrastructure segment though like setting up of steel plants , gas pipelines , thermal & hydo electric plants ,etc .

This doesn't necessarily have to do with Pakistan's economic conditions but having said so that would play a huge part too.Primarily .Russia's engagement with Pakistan will always be sub par in Pakistan's eyes as Russia will not antagonise India & Russia doesn't see any great strategic sense in deepening it's engagement with Pakistan apart from the reasons mentioned above .A good deal of Russia Pakistan engagement also has to do with the Chinese goading them into it.

Coming back to Indo Russian ties .They will continue the way they are seeing flow & ebbs as I've remarked earlier seeing bouts of intense engagements & cooling off periods .The Russians aren't too happy with our deepening engagements with the west & the US in particular .They also aren't happy with the notionally reduced share in the Indian defence pie. But if they're true to themselves , they'd realise that they're partly to blame .From deplorable product support architecture to downright extortionist behaviour in the Gorshkov episode , the Russians aren't blameless in the entire saga of Indo Russian military ties.

The economic sphere is another matter altogether .Apart from increased cooperation in setting up of additional N plants , we've seen the single biggest Russian investment in the form of the 13 Billion USD takeover of the Essar refinery apart from significant Indian investments in Russian oilfields running into billions of USD's .

It's safe to say that Pakistan simply cannot match India's reach & economic clout & while the Chinese can outdo any Indian investment by a very wide margin , the Russians would seek to curtail it as they aren't too comfortable with being under PRC's thumb .

 

[Hindustani78]

india dont need russia she can buy every thing from the west it will cost more

Republic of India is capable of producing everything domestically.

And whatever we need we can buy from United States in case of any situation arises.

Interfax Ru
November 02, 2016
13:35
Stronger relations with China are Russia's long-term priority - Rogozin

 

[Attila the Hun]

india dont need russia she can buy every thing from the west it will cost more

Russia is friends with everyone, even evil NATO and Americans lol.
They will not pick sides between Pakistan and India.
Our Tatar-Chechen-Slav friends of Moscow are not stupid.

 

[lonelyman]

Well the west has pushed Russia to a corner, only China stands with her. What do u expect Russians to do when u guys jumping to USA camp to contain China.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

In short to medium term, answer to both is YES.

Russia ,due to economic hardships and conflict with USA is siding with China atm, but in long term, strong China is not conducive to Russian interests as it gobbles up Russian influence in CAR and elsewhere and could potentially gobble up Serbia too. China already has a map to claim Serbia, so if relations pull through in medium terms, they would flourish in long.

You mean Siberia right

Btw author of Russian military doctrine has mentioned Russia will use TNWs for Chinese attempts to obtain Siberia

 

[Hindustani78]

Well the west has pushed Russia to a corner, only China stands with her. What do u expect Russians to do when u guys jumping to USA camp to contain China.

Even when UN sanctions were imposed on North Korea, Products were going inside North Korea from China.

Russian Federation do stand with China and China do stand with Russian Federation thats why We Indians are having more relations with United States and Turkey.

 

[dlclong]

solly??
When did India have Russia?
Russia used to be the mistress of India?