Is conversion necessary for social work, asks Rajnath

[Tshering22]

Please do care to read my posts and then quote me. I am not whining over "Ghar Wapsi" but yes on forced conversions where physical intimidation is involved, Go ahead do as many "ghar wapsis" as you like, this has to be free market... so please stop sobbing over missionaries etc and beat the missionaries in their own game. My best wishes are with you....

Prove it that any of the conversions were forced.

There are two types of forces: Inducing and aggressive.

My point is, most of the NGO money goes into a mix of both of these methods: former method in case of south India and latter in case of our often-neglected northeast India.

Its not the fault of Christianity but of the international geo politics.

Oh yeah?

Here's a thing; no community no matter what part of the planet, would want to abandon their own culture and traditions and faith for a foreign alien one brought about by invaders and those who are against one's belief. Whether Greeks, Norse, Inca, Aztec or East Asian.

Use logic man; all these communities were flourishing traditions and had great civilizations in ancient days.

Why would they adopt something more close-minded, backward and violent when their own culture gave them so much glory? (here culture and faith is being used intermittently by me since ancient communities used it the same way; separation came only with organized abrahamic religions).

If organized religions hadn't done conversions either through force or subversion/deceit, none of the three religions would have come out of the Middle East.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Its not the fault of Christianity but of the international geo politics.

That is as dumb as saying Kashmir separatism has nothing to do with Islam or Muslim but with international geo politics

All these terrorism and separatism has EVERYTHING to do with Christianity and Islam.

 

[Hindustani78]

That is as dumb as saying Kashmir separatism has nothing to do with Islam or Muslim but with international geo politics

All these terrorism and separatism has EVERYTHING to do with Christianity and Islam.

It has nothing to do with Islam because even number of Kashmiri Muslim police and security personals have been martyrs defending the soveriginity and intergity of India.

Jammu & Kashmir Police - In the service of the Nation since 1873

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

It has nothing to do with Islam because even number of Kashmiri Muslim police and security personals have been martyrs defending the soveriginity and intergity of India.

Jammu & Kashmir Police - In the service of the Nation since 1873

So what ? That does not change the fact that Kashmiri separatism is based on Islam and muslim majority of the state.

Khalistan movement was based on Sikh majority of the state.

Terrorism in the N.E is based on Christian majority in those state.

The number of Christian and Muslims dying in the armed forces or the police does not change this reality.

It just means there are a few of those who put their nation before religion. or maybe a career before religion.


There are plenty of Hindu Indians working the Gulf, even though they are treated like third class citizens. Does it mean the Hindus love the gulf ? They just put their stomach before their religion or pride.

 

[maniac@666]

@Soulspeek brother either you are naive or misinformed if you are saying this.this is indeed a flaming topic but truth must be said,don't see me as anti minority because i myself belong to a communist family from kerala but born and brought up in uttar pradesh.i can relate myself closely to two states(kerala and uttar pradesh)and one union territory(lakshdweep)been there for 4 years didn't find to explore whole india as it is vast country.in kerala, districts like ernakulam,trissur,alleppy,kottayam ,pala and wayanad 93% chritians certainly produce or produced more than 2 children like 5 or 6 and i can say that with authority and with proof,heck my friend even has 4 children and planning for more but he can afford it because his brother and sisters are in usa and other european nations and this my friend is in angamaly(kerala)you should really thank hindus who are either communist or congressi and promote religious harmony otherwise who will let a non hindu to become minister of devaswom board(for general people to understand that means minster of temple board) which falls under govt of kerala and money received from temples of kerala be it shabarimala used for all people of kerala barring churches and mosques even money from babar swami where hindus donate maximum is utilised for muslims only.i see only minority's crying when general people ask for uniform civil code,why 2 different set of rules for people.now come to muslims of kerala and uttar pradesh they certainly produce more kids than hindus with there 3or more wives and it's no hidden secret they aim to have 10 muslim kids for a single hindu kid because that's what they are preached in mosques except shia's as they are literate and mostly in govt jobs or in multinationanal company's and you should know that there is muslim shrine in barabanki(uttar pradesh near lucknow)known as dewa sharif where hindu devotees outnumber their muslim counterparts by very huge numbers and that's hindu for you,so don't generalise and now come to lakshadweep only 10 islands are inhabitat and capital is kavaratti island,there is a battallion of mpsaf(madhya pradesh special armed forces) and navy headquaters and 100% are sunni muslims and there is sole temple there made by few hundred mainlanders who went there to help islanders(mainly govt employees like teachers,doctors,engineers and administrative officers) when babari masjid was demolished these islanders in mass tried to demolish temlple the mpsaf(madhya pradesh special armed forces) and navy personals whopped there as__s even knowing that govt of india was spending 5000rs on them, that to it was in 1997-98 now it will be much more now that to of indian tax payers money.they even get 24 hrs of electricity by burning diesel and get everything subsidised.you can only find hindus celebrating onam,diwali,dushera,raakshabandhan,holi ,baisaakhi and etc(for family,relatives and friends happiness) and Christmas and eid(for friends happines) and i am happy for that and i am grateful and proud that my non hindu friends who don't serve me beef or pork knowing my sensivities and still invite me each year.that's is true secularism.

sorry, i meant 5000rs per head for the masses of 50000 people and it would be much more at the present time and there population has risen considerably as they are muslims and they don't follow family planning .just guess,if majority of hindus stop family planning and afford more than 2 children,what will happen,india will explode and religious harmony will go in dustbin,if they believe even a little bit in hindu nationalism,then god(allah,jesus and bhagwaan),no not even they can save india.you should also note that it's the majority of hindu's who are still holding the secular fabric of india till this date otherwise nationalistic hindu party's would have ruled the roost,so stop cribbing and thank the secular and democratic constitution of india which was made by an hindu.we all should identify the problems and rectify it together no matter who we are,we are indians first and that should be the only thing be in our mind.The thing is all the islanders have properties in mainland but we mainlanders can't buy land there where the heck its possible in whole world.

 

[maniac@666]

Sir,wearing cross and becoming Christian is no guarantee that you will be saved from hell. Jesus himself says in Bible that if you have helped any random unknown poor or distressed people, you are entitled for heaven.

You can be a Hindu or Muslim but if you implement simple teachings of love and compassion then God is happy with you. This is what Bible teaches. Don't believe in the words of pentecostal church guys or other fringe churches.

great words dude,respect it.but as in your own words these pentecostal church guys or others fringe churches are ruining itself for christians of india.they are making mokery of freedom of religious expression,don't believe me come to uttar pradesh then you will believe it and mind it this is only one state i am talking about leave jharkhand,chattisgarh and see how they are fooling tribals with their magical cures and incentives(like allowing their children to study in missionary schools,money,foreign tours and what not),when other side reacts with ghar waapsi and like things then secular media,secular politicans and seclular people go gung ho and have constipation and cry foul.christians should come forward themselves against these types of fringe elements of their community and we should with ours and live harmoniously.religions should not be exerted with false believings and misguidance.

 

[Hindustani78]

So what ? That does not change the fact that Kashmiri separatism is based on Islam and muslim majority of the state.

Khalistan movement was based on Sikh majority of the state.

Terrorism in the N.E is based on Christian majority in those state.

The number of Christian and Muslims dying in the armed forces or the police does not change this reality.

It just means there are a few of those who put their nation before religion. or maybe a career before religion.


There are plenty of Hindu Indians working the Gulf, even though they are treated like third class citizens. Does it mean the Hindus love the gulf ? They just put their stomach before their religion or pride.

Kashmiri Separatism is not based on Islam and Kashmiris themselves are aware that they future lies with Indian Union. If you see in term of religion then you will see by yourselves that majority of Indian Muslims are loyal to India. Kashmiri Muslims comes under Indian Muslims, so why to keep on calling them Kashmiri Muslims ?

 

[The_Showstopper]

the confusion among people in Middle east , what exactly to follow , the western lucrative culture or their tradition (irrespective of religion) is what caused the trouble.

In current scenario, when you say Christianity , it means liberation, fraternity, modernisation , literacy, etc etc. All these are western terms which only serve western agenda.

Liberation from parents, rules, morals is today's actual affect of Liberation/freedom

Modernisation in consuming alcohol, smoking, one night stand, being cool, wearing Reebok Nike, zara is what actual modernisation is.

literacy mean to value the western product, western literature , western ideology.. is what literacy is.


Do you think our ancestors where unaware of mining, use of rum, an advancement towards technology? No, they simply did not want a complicated world like today. Hence that was literacy and education. This education what we are taking is Maya/illusion.

Aren't you drifting from the topic? You initially stated that this is kind of proxy war against our country and now we are discussing about culture and people getting alienated from it... If people of middle east and other parts of the world are getting into following the western standards, it is their very own decision whether for good or bad, Let them decide what is good or bad for them...

 

[Screambowl]

Aren't you drifting from the topic? You initially stated that this is kind of proxy war against our country and now we are discussing about culture and people getting alienated from it... If people of middle east and other parts of the world are getting into following the western standards, it is their very own decision whether for good or bad, Let them decide what is good or bad for them...

it is related. proxy war includes intellectual subversion too

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Kashmiri Separatism is not based on Islam and Kashmiris themselves are aware that they future lies with Indian Union. If you see in term of religion then you will see by yourselves that majority of Indian Muslims are loyal to India. Kashmiri Muslims comes under Indian Muslims, so why to keep on calling them Kashmiri Muslims ?

If Kashmiris are aware that their future lies with Indian union, then we do not need such large armed forces there. The police would have been sufficient like in the rest of India.

Majority of Indian muslims are loyal to India. When have I disputed this ?

Kahmiri muslims have their own constitution which is delinked from the constitution of India. So for all practical purpose they are different from other Indian muslims. I see no reason not to call a spade a spade.

 

[The_Showstopper]

it is related. proxy war includes intellectual subversion too

So which country is it directed towards and which is directing this?

 

[Screambowl]

So which country is it directed towards and which is directing this?

a lot of... Pakistan, UK, US, Saudi, etc..

 

[The_Showstopper]

a lot of... Pakistan, UK, US, Saudi, etc..

Be specific mate.. Who is targeting whom? Is Pakistan sponsoring missionaries? Or US/UK as a state are sponsoring?

 

[Hindustani78]

If Kashmiris are aware that their future lies with Indian union, then we do not need such large armed forces there. The police would have been sufficient like in the rest of India.

Hope you have not forget that we had wars with China and Pakistan and by the way military is there to protect borders, so where you want the military to be stationed not on the borders but inside cities ?

Majority of Indian muslims are loyal to India. When have I disputed this ?

Kashmiris are even Indian Muslims.

Kahmiri muslims have their own constitution which is delinked from the constitution of India. So for all practical purpose they are different from other Indian muslims. I see no reason not to call a spade a spade.

We know the reasons behind it and it was done by Maharaja of Kashmir.

 

[Screambowl]

Be specific mate.. Who is targeting whom? Is Pakistan sponsoring missionaries? Or US/UK as a state are sponsoring?

pakistan sponsors pro secular , pro separatists, etc
others sponsors ngo's
it's a known fact man