Is conversion necessary for social work, asks Rajnath

[The_Showstopper]

Because it is not allowed. Conversion by subterfuge even by peaceful ways is an act of fraud and carries a penalty. Since 1956.
Niyogi Committee Report on Christian Missionary Activities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fair enough... but why ban the conversion on the whole?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Fair enough... but why ban the conversion on the whole?

I don't know what goes on in the minds of the bureaucrats.

All Government reports have recommended the same. Actually they have recommended 'prohibition of Christian conversions' to be precise. From 1956 itself.

Secondly...A desire to NOT become a converted African cesspool perhaps? I am only speculating.

 

[The_Showstopper]

I don't know what goes on in the minds of the bureaucrats.

All Government reports have recommended the same. Actually they have recommended 'prohibition of Christian conversions' to be precise. From 1956 itself.

Secondly...A desire to NOT become a converted African cesspool perhaps? I am only speculating.

So is prohibiting or I would rather say banning not taking away one's religious freedom(which is one's constitutional right)? By all means have laws to protect people from fraud. But that doesn't mean one has to have a blanket ban over it. And your previous source does clearly mention that it is a controversial report and so I guess it does need some rework in its recommendations...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

So is prohibiting or I would rather say banning not taking away one's religious freedom(which is one's constitutional right)? By all means have laws to protect people from fraud. But that doesn't mean one has to have a blanket ban over it. And your previous source does clearly mention that it is a controversial report so needs some rework...

Try it.

That ship has sailed. Long back.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Try it.

You say as if it is some kind of new dish in the town...

If you do so , you will be denying one's constitutional right...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

If you do so , you will be denying one's constitutional right...

Ok.

World must act against Hindu plan for Christian-, Muslim-free India ucanews.com

Brace up non Abrahamics. It has begun.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Ok.

Thanks for the videos, I shall watch them in leisure but I would still stand for one's constitutional right...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Thanks for the videos, I shall watch them in leisure but I would still stand for one's constitutional right...

We know that.

Don't we @Tshering22 ?

 

[The_Showstopper]

We know that.

Don't we @Tshering22 ?

Good to know that...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Good to know that...

These guys are with you.
World must act against Hindu plan for Christian-, Muslim-free India ucanews.com
He is also against this 'Hindu plan'. The 'allergy' to Hinduism is also known.

 

[The_Showstopper]

These guys are with you.
World must act against Hindu plan for Christian-, Muslim-free India ucanews.com
He is also against this 'Hindu plan'. The 'allergy' to Hinduism is also known.

Not sure about the second picture, but the first one could very well be the blue eyed boy of the 'Hindu plan'.... Not long before he joins the concerned party or organisation and relish the minority blood once again in his true home...

 

[maniac@666]

Wrong. Mr.Rajnath Singh Sahab. Christians do not do conversion under pretext of social services. Out of millions of poor people served, how many got converted? Christians are just 2 percent. Heck, they don't even produce more than 2 babies to increase their population!

Even in Convent schools, I am yet to see students who converted to Christianity. BJP is just raising this bogeyman of Hinduism in danger to polarise its vote bank and implement the communal agenda of Sangh.

@Soulspeek brother either you are naive or misinformed if you are saying this.this is indeed a flaming topic but truth must be said,don't see me as anti minority because i myself belong to a communist family from kerala but born and brought up in uttar pradesh.i can relate myself closely to two states(kerala and uttar pradesh)and one union territory(lakshdweep)been there for 4 years didn't find to explore whole india as it is vast country.in kerala, districts like ernakulam,trissur,alleppy,kottayam ,pala and wayanad 93% chritians certainly produce or produced more than 2 children like 5 or 6 and i can say that with authority and with proof,heck my friend even has 4 children and planning for more but he can afford it because his brother and sisters are in usa and other european nations and this my friend is in angamaly(kerala)you should really thank hindus who are either communist or congressi and promote religious harmony otherwise who will let a non hindu to become minister of devaswom board(for general people to understand that means minster of temple board) which falls under govt of kerala and money received from temples of kerala be it shabarimala used for all people of kerala barring churches and mosques even money from babar swami where hindus donate maximum is utilised for muslims only.i see only minority's crying when general people ask for uniform civil code,why 2 different set of rules for people.now come to muslims of kerala and uttar pradesh they certainly produce more kids than hindus with there 3or more wives and it's no hidden secret they aim to have 10 muslim kids for a single hindu kid because that's what they are preached in mosques except shia's as they are literate and mostly in govt jobs or in multinationanal company's and you should know that there is muslim shrine in barabanki(uttar pradesh near lucknow)known as dewa sharif where hindu devotees outnumber their muslim counterparts by very huge numbers and that's hindu for you,so don't generalise and now come to lakshadweep only 10 islands are inhabitat and capital is kavaratti island,there is a battallion of mpsaf(madhya pradesh special armed forces) and navy headquaters and 100% are sunni muslims and there is sole temple there made by few hundred mainlanders who went there to help islanders(mainly govt employees like teachers,doctors,engineers and administrative officers) when babari masjid was demolished these islanders in mass tried to demolish temlple the mpsaf(madhya pradesh special armed forces) and navy personals whopped there as__s even knowing that govt of india was spending 5000rs on them, that to it was in 1997-98 now it will be much more now that to of indian tax payers money.they even get 24 hrs of electricity by burning diesel and get everything subsidised.you can only find hindus celebrating onam,diwali,dushera,raakshabandhan,holi ,baisaakhi and etc(for family,relatives and friends happiness) and Christmas and eid(for friends happines) and i am happy for that and i am grateful and proud that my non hindu friends who don't serve me beef or pork knowing my sensivities and still invite me each year.that's is true secularism.

 

[Soulspeek]

Sir,wearing cross and becoming Christian is no guarantee that you will be saved from hell. Jesus himself says in Bible that if you have helped any random unknown poor or distressed people, you are entitled for heaven.

You can be a Hindu or Muslim but if you implement simple teachings of love and compassion then God is happy with you. This is what Bible teaches. Don't believe in the words of pentecostal church guys or other fringe churches.

you seem to make a lot of noise, so i just have a question for you... wearing cross and accepting jesus as saviour will save me from my all sins but if i do not accept christianity i will be the greatest sinner and rott in hell... why is so? doesn't that makes the god a racist??

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Rajnath Singh is not talking about controlling what religions or belief system one is allowed to follow. But his concern is about 'mass' conversion rallies by the 'organized' groups that convert people on an industrial scale.

Why is this even an issue ?
People convert for all sorts of reasons; monetary incentives, the promise of a better future, philosophical consonance with a belief system or emotional fulfillment in believing in something - I don't think that a State - any state - ought to concern herself with this too much otherwise it may set a dangerous precedent by allowing a given State to appropriate greater rights for herself in the future by taking further rights from the 'individual' and giving it to the 'society' !

- In India - which has gone through a painful partition that solely based on religion - it should be plainly clear for everybody to see the risks of changing the demographics in an organized manner! Of all people, Pakistanis should know that religion can be easily politicized and a country can be partitioned solely based one's religion! How are we to know that these newly 'enlightened' will not demand a separate country just like Pakistan or present day 'Kashmir' or South Sudan?

- Often the conversions are based on not just the monetary incentives but also preceded by inaccurate/incomplete portrayals that expertly highlight only the bad things about their original belief system while only emphasizing the positive things their new adapted belief system is supposed to bring. Don't you think such portrayals vitiate the atmosphere in a diverse, vastly poor, illiterate and communally charged country like India?

- Don't those monetary incentives sound like exploitation based on poverty, ignorance or social status? And how is it even fair that the new religions which not only fail offer permanent solutions to their problems but also import new set of problems and conflicts, is allowed to prey upon the gullible? Do we want to borrow the kind of conflicts in Middle East which is where these 'enlightened' religions originated?

- India is an extremely diverse country when it comes to language, religion, society and beliefs. An 'organized' conversion mega rally by those with resources not only destroy that diversity but disturbs the balance that is already precarious!

- When you consider that the fodder for these conversions are mainly Hindus/Buddhists and that some religions (islam for example) threaten those who convert out their followers to other religions, and back their threats with murders if necessary, how is it even fair that state allow such conversions in the first place?

I think in Pakistan we made the same mistake by allowing the Orthodoxy a greater say in whatever religious imprint they wanted to have over governance and legislation while at the same time ignoring the Progressive elements from the same religious circles because the former was exponentially more vocal and organized than the latter. Ironically enough most of these Orthodox elements like the Majlis-i-Ahrar who became the champions of an Islamic State - as they envisioned it to be in their parochial view - were ferociously against the creation of Pakistan to begin with.

I am not sure if you are being serious here because we are not even talking about the same thing! What the right-wing groups in India are opposing is the conversions of Hindus (majority religion) to other (minority) religions. And we all know what punishment is given out to people indulging in such conversions of muslims to other religions in Pakistan as stated by constitution. And I am not even talking about the mob justice!

Religion (like anything else) should have a positive and inclusive impression on a State's culture and values. If it starts having an exclusive, reactionary and divisive effect you end with the states that Pakistan and India find themselves. No wonder as per PEW social hostility involving religion index we have found ourselves in the top 10 most socially hostile states with respect to religion for the past decade.

What do you think @scorpionx ?

I think I am all for everybody freedom to follow any religion that he/she 'personally' believes in - not 'revealed' to by some foreigners in rallies intended to convert people on industrial scales! What happens in India is sheer exploitation by nefarious NGO's with backing from rich countries - Arab/Vatican - trying to get as many memberships as possible with their resourceful and sophisticated conversion machinery! Very similar to what happened (and continues to happen) to Native Africans/Americans - both in north and south. And we all know how 'enlightened' those countries are after the missionaries had a free-for-all!

In other words, it is not conversion for the purpose of upliftment, but conversion for the purpose of religious 'politics'.

 

[Tshering22]

Thanks for the videos, I shall watch them in leisure but I would still stand for one's constitutional right...

A constitution also guarantees Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs the same privileges. Foreign-origin minority religions shouldn't whine then about Ghar Wapsi.

This game is a two-way street and can be played both ways.

Either they accept it or they can simply quit the country and go back.

We know that.

Don't we @Tshering22 ?

If the law is strictly adopted in India, every single missionary would be right now serving jail terms for their illegal activities.

Some people try to quote the constitution without actually knowing it

These guys are with you.
World must act against Hindu plan for Christian-, Muslim-free India ucanews.com
He is also against this 'Hindu plan'. The 'allergy' to Hinduism is also known.

Some people think this is secular.

Sadly, secular and freedoms of democracy have been made a mockery in India and twisted so much that some of them should be simply removed to preserve the country's rational fabric.