Is America really Turkey's FRIEND, or ENEMY?

[WarDaddy97]

I wouldnt take the US as reference when talking about democracy though, US democracy is one of the worst kind of democracies. Its propbably the worst among democracies when it comes to representing the the interests of common folk. The voters interest always come after the big lobbies and corporate interests, so yeah in that sense i would still prefer Turkish democracy with more checks on the president and stronger/more independent institutions.
Would still be better than the ridiculous american system that automatically eliminates any third party in praxis.

RTE has been running your country since early 2000s and you can do NOTHING about it. Where are those independents institutions checking on your president?
Pretty much you are on the level of Africa or some ME countries(at least those have royal ruling class)
Even in shithole of Iran, backward theocracy, 3 presidents changed since 2000 Khatami-Ahmadinejad-Rouhani while in Turkey is Erdogan, Erdogan, Erdogan
When you get to the level of USA where presidents change every 4 or 8 years then you’ll talk. For now enjoy despotism

 

[xenon54 out]

RTE has been running your country since early 2000s and you can do NOTHING about it.

Well he still can be voted out, see Istanbul elections.

Where are those independents institutions checking on your president?

Missing at the moment hence i said i would prefer it with stronger institutions, read carefully.

Pretty much you are on the level of Africa or some ME countries(at least those have royal ruling class)

Either you are exaggerating or you have no clue at all, Turkeys situation worsened in some fields thats true yet its still far better than most of Africa and ME thats for sure.

Even in shithole of Iran, backward theocracy, 3 presidents changed since 2000 Khatami-Ahmadinejad-Rouhani while in Turkey is Erdogan, Erdogan, Erdogan

I would still prefer Erdogan over any theocratic goverment, Merkel rules Germany as long as Erdo rules Turkey so is Iran also better than Germany?

When you get to the level of USA where presidents change every 4 or 8 years then you’ll talk. For now enjoy despotism

You seem to measure the quality of democracy based on how many rulers per x time, if all American think that their democracy is great just because their presidents change every once in a while then im not surprised at the situation of the US at all.
You guys think you are so great and all but the rest of the world is like ''WTF'' when looking at you guys in some regards just so you know.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Erdogan is the biggest traitor or the worst president in the Republic era. Even though i'm not a Kemalist, they are far more patriotic and would die for the country than desert rats like you that would die for arabia.

I wouldn't normally dignify a moronic rant like this with a response, but it goes to show clearly how little you know about me calling me a "desert rat" and generally how confused you are about the general pulse of things. I only advocate neo-Ottomanism, Pax Ottomana, and by virtue of application Turkish domination of the region with Islam as a uniting power. This is something Kemalism would never achieve because Kemalists to date have only done one thing: Sucking the West's cock for scraps.

See,grumpy old man,im still being nice to you.
Artik daha fazla rezil olma diye alttan aliyorum,bu iyiligimi unutma.
Bizde altin günü yok ama ayda bir huzur evlerine gideriz,nenelerimiz ve dedelerimizi ziyaret ederiz,fazla yalnizliktan kafayi yememeleri ve sacma sapan isler yaparak kendilerini rezil etmemeleri icin.
istersen sanada ugrariz.


US as in CIA,this is actually true.
Same happened in many countries(South America,ME,Africa).

Yesinler senin nezaketini. Alttan almana gerek yok kocum. Feel free to speak your mind. I can handle you and the rest of your heykelci horde single-handedly. Bring it on.

 

[WarDaddy97]

Well he still can be voted out, see Istanbul elections.

Missing at the moment hence i said i would prefer it with stronger institutions, read carefully.

Either you are exaggerating or you have no clue at all, Turkeys situation worsened in some fields thats true yet its still far better than most of Africa and ME thats for sure.

I would still prefer Erdogan over any theocratic goverment, Merkel rules Germany as long as Erdo rules Turkey so is Iran also better than Germany?

You seem to measure the quality of democracy based on how many rulers per x time, if all American think that their democracy is great just because their presidents change every once in a while then im not surprised at the situation of the US at all.
You guys think you are so great and all but the rest of the world is like ''WTF'' when looking at you guys in some regards just so you know.

I am sure Arabs also say “wtf” when it comes to Turks yet that doesn’t bother you.
so why should I give a shit about your hurt feelings or the rest of the worlds?

beauty of democracy are fair elections, rule of law,freedom of speech etc.
we have all of that. You don’t.
for now enjoy a newly elected mayor in major city. That’s your level for now . When you grow out of that, at least to Iranian level, then I’ll take you seriously.

 

[xenon54 out]

I am sure Arabs also say “wtf” when it comes to Turks yet that doesn’t bother you.
so why should I give a shit about your hurt feelings or the rest of the worlds?

beauty of democracy are fair elections, rule of law,freedom of speech etc.
we have all of that. You don’t.
for now enjoy a newly elected mayor in major city. That’s your level for now . When you grow out of that, at least to Iranian level, then I’ll take you seriously.

Your world view isnt very broad congrats in confirming another American stereotype, i dont bother enough about you to be hurt about it btw.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Wait.... US has "freedom of speech"? @WarDaddy97

LOL. That cracked me up. I guess whistle-blowers like Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange will disagree since they're being persecuted by the US for exercising their FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

I suppose you're not aware that the US Supreme Court has severely restricted your constitutional right to freedom of speech back in 1919. You can read up about it here: https://www.mastersincommunications.org/current-state-free-speech-united-states/

Also, Bush's PATRIOT ACT has taken away pretty much ALL of your remaining civil rights.

 

[MMM-E]

Even in shithole of Iran, backward theocracy, 3 presidents changed since 2000 Khatami-Ahmadinejad-Rouhani while in Turkey is Erdogan, Erdogan, Erdogan
When you get to the level of USA where presidents change every 4 or 8 years then you’ll talk. For now enjoy despotism

3 presidents since 2000
Ahmet Necdet Sezer between 2000 and 2007 , Abdullah Gül between 2007 and 2014 , Recep Tayyip Erdogan since 2014

and ATATURK ruled Turkey between 1923 and 1938 ( 15 years )
INONU was prime minister of Turkey between 1925 and 1937 ( 12 years )
INONU was president of Turkey between 1938 and 1950 ( almost 12 years )

INONU was president/prime minister of Turkey for 24 years betwwen 1925 and 1950 ( so what ? despotism led by CHP ? )


I remind you that MERKEL rules Germany since 2005

respect Turkish People and Democracy
Erdogan will rule Turkey until 25.06.2028

 

[WarDaddy97]

3 presidents since 2000
Ahmet Necdet Sezer between 2000 and 2007 , Abdullah Gül between 2007 and 2014 , Recep Tayyip Erdogan since 2014

and ATATURK ruled Turkey between 1923 and 1938 ( 15 years )
INONU was prime minister of Turkey between 1925 and 1937 ( 12 years )
INONU was president of Turkey between 1938 and 1960 ( almost 12 years )
INONU was prime minister of Turkey between 1961 and 1965

INONU was president/prime minister of Turkey for 40 years betwwen 1925 and 1965 ( so what ? despotism led by CHP ? )


I remind you that MERKEL rules Germany since 2005

respect Turkish People and Democracy
Erdogan will rule Turkey until 25.06.2028

We are not talking about your sultans or 1st republic leaders. Past 20 years. So what RTE has done is what Putin does in Russia. Mirror reflection.
Putin-Medvedev
Medvedev-Putin.
But in reality it’s always Putin

RTE-Abdullah
Abdullah-RTE
Who calls the shots? RTE.
I can care less who runs your country. But don’t tell “we have independent institutions that curbs presidential power” check and balances exist only in one country. And when Trump realized it he screamed -Deep State

Your world view isnt very broad congrats in confirming another American stereotype, i dont bother enough about you to be hurt about it btw.

but your world is so broad that you found mysterious independent institution

Wait.... US has "freedom of speech"? @WarDaddy97

LOL. That cracked me up. I guess whistle-blowers like Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange will disagree since they're being persecuted by the US for exercising their FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

I suppose you're not aware that the US Supreme Court has severely restricted your constitutional right to freedom of speech back in 1919. You can read up about it here: https://www.mastersincommunications.org/current-state-free-speech-united-states/

Also, Bush's PATRIOT ACT has taken away pretty much ALL of your remaining civil rights.

They are persecuted for something else but since you have kumpir instead of brains you won’t understand.
Especially Supreme Court and Bush Act

 

[MMM-E]

We are not talking about your sultans or 1st republic leaders. Past 20 years. So what RTE has done is what Putin does in Russia. Mirror reflection.
Putin-Medvedev
Medvedev-Putin.
But in reality it’s always Putin

PUTIN made Russia great again
ERDOGAN is trying to make Turkiye great again .... Turkiye was become more powerful led by Erdogan in the last 17 years
but there are many traitors in Turkiye and since 2013 the US use FETO , PKK , ISIS terror organizations and USD ($ ) to attack Turkiye ,Turkish Economy and Erdogan


MERKEL rules Germany since 2005 .. what about democracy in Germany ?

I can care less who runs your country. But don’t tell “we have independent institutions that curbs presidential power” check and balances exist only in one country. And when Trump realized it he screamed -Deep State

The US is a slave of Zionism and Israel ... and Israel says jump , TRUMP says how long SIR

even Dollars printed by Federal Reserve Bank privately owned by the Zionist international Bankers

KENNEDY was the only President of the US who opposes the Zionist lobby in the US , Israeli Prime Minister Ben Gurion, the Dimona Nuclear Power Plant in Israel, Israel's Middle East policy, Zionist arms traders and Zionist Bankers including Rockefeller

President KENNEDY demanded that the Bankers right to print dollars to be transferred to the State with the law number 1110 but it is so interesting that President Kennedy was assassinated like President Lincoln


and I remind you that the first President of the Republican Party which ended the American Civil War in 1865, Abraham Lincoln regained the right to print dollars from zionist Bankers . and The US was able to print Dollars for the first time during President Lincoln. But it didn't take long. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated





Erdogan kicked all traitors and now Turkiye is free .... therefore Turkish Army is in Iraq,Syria,Libya,Somali,Qatar also in the Eastern Mediterranean ..... I know you are not happy with this



The US backed military coups in Turkiye by 1960 , 1971 , 1980 , 1997 and last one by 2016 failed coup attempt

military coups = democracy
real free elections by people = dictatorship

the West is so hypocrite

 

[UkroTurk]

After Trump's reaction Wuhan abruptly increased its coronavirus death toll to 50% higher than previously reported



US president, have expressed doubts.

"Do you think you're getting honest numbers from some of these countries? Do you really believe those numbers in this vast country called China?" President Donald Trump asked at a White House coronavirus task force press briefing on Wednesday. "Does anybody really believe that?"

"Some countries that are in big, big trouble," he added. "And, they're not reporting the facts."
https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...bruptly-increases-death-toll-by-50-2020-4?amp

Thank you America to reveal secrets of totalitarian regimes.

The world needs the USA, The world needs democracy instead of totalitarian regimes.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Thank you America to reveal secrets of totalitarian regimes.

The world needs the USA, The world needs democracy instead of totalitarian regimes.

UkroJew: Senin propagandani yesinler. You do understand that the USA is the world's #1 supporter of totalitarian regimes, right?

 

[KAL-EL]

I obviously don’t represent my government, but I personally have nothing against Turkish folks.

I enjoy conversation with Turkish folks at my local Turkish restaurant.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

I obviously don’t represent my government, but I personally have nothing against Turkish folks.

Turks have nothing against American folks either because we know that the common Joe doesn't get to have any input on US' foreign policy. It's y'alls politicians that's the problem.

 

[KAL-EL]

Turks have nothing against American folks either because we know that the common Joe doesn't get to have any input on US' foreign policy. It's y'alls politicians that's the problem.

It’s all good. Once we get into politicians etc. etc. then the waters may muddy a bit.

For whatever it’s worth, some of the first people that I had nice conversations with when I joined this forum Were turks.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

It’s all good. Once we get into politicians etc. etc. then the waters may muddy a bit.
For whatever it’s worth, some of the first people that I had nice conversations with when I joined this forum Were turks.

How do you feel about your government's support of Middle Eastern dictators (such as the bonesaw-killer MBS) and terrorist organizations like PKK/YPG?