Is a civil war about to commence in South India?

[Sinnerman108]

I do agree.

The Dravidians, by default, accept the upper caste North Indian Hindus as the true rulers of India and they will never revolt by challenging their spiritual masters.

The North Indians actually won over the South the moment the Vedic culture and beliefs reached the South.

and this is why, there will not be peace in subcontinent.
Bhagts know the dilemma they are in, and there is very little they can do about it.

 

[padamchen]

The North Indians actually won over the South the moment the Vedic culture and beliefs reached the South.

And vice versa.

There was nothing much Vedic left after that happened.

The Upanishads. Then the Puranic age.

Temples and murtis and water taking the place of fire and the elements. Local native deities .

The Hindus have moved so far away from the original common roots with the Aryan Persian faith that every time we look for similarities we get into theological comparisons from the od texts and old languages.

@Great Brahmin

Cheers, Doc

 

[AyanRay]

I am ashamed of my country. Now don't think too much.

Is makrand katju,ex Chief Justice of India who wrote this article a foreign citizen too?

Idiot, answere one question, a civil war usually takes place between two sects of people. Which two sects are going to fight against each other against the Sabrimala verdict? Hindus of South India against the Hindus of North India?, Both of whom want the same thing, I.e the rulling to be quashed?

 

[manlion]

But far more ominous and foreboding is the announcement made by the Mala Arayans, a tribal community settled on 18 hills around Sabarimala, and holding some traditional rights to the rituals relating to the temple.

Through their leaders, CR Dileepkumar and KN Padmanabhan, they announced that they will keep vigil in the hills around Sabarimala to make sure its customs are not breached. They said "Our ancestors were close aides of Lord Ayappa, and fought many wars for him. Thousands of our community members will join the movement to protect the customs of the shrine".

The Kerala DGP has announced that 500 female police are going to be posted at the temple. This is bound to further exacerbate the situation by infuriating the Ayappans (devotees of Lord Ayappa), many of whom come from Tamilnadu, Andhra, Telangana, Karnataka, and indeed from all over the world. These 500 policewomen will face the wrath of the devotees of Lord Ayappa, and may even be physically attacked, just as J&K policemen are being attacked in Kashmir.

In the meantime, many women organisations in Tamilnadu, Kerala, etc., have declared that their members will not go to Sabarimala till they have crossed 50 years of age.

All this seems to have been forgotten by the majority on the Supreme Court bench which decided the Sabarimala case. In their crusading zeal, they rushed in where angels fear to tread, guided by abstract, theoretical "modern" notions of women's dignity, equality, etc., overlooking the wise admonition of Justice Indu Malhotra, the sole voice of restraint and reason.

North Indian scum is trying to destroy distinct identity of Dravidians. They started it with jallikatu ban. In North Indian lower castes are denied entry to temples. The government has done aboslutely nothing to let lower castes enter temples.

Spot on , no South Indian women will desanctify Ayappa temple, the envious clueless Northies used SC to destroy the unique Tamil (as in Jallikattu) and Kerala cultural tradition (Sabarimala) traditions to conform to pan Hindutva nationalism

Times up , Mala Arayans who fought wars for Ayappa , should now resume their war with India , in order to protect their tradition, temple, hills from further desecration by cultureless northies

 

[AyanRay]

In fact, one of the more logical right wingers went on tv to say that this decision was an extreme right wing conspiracy.

Do now the Supreme Court is also controlled by the extreme right wing? Dude, wake up and stay away from such conspiracy theories.

 

[KapitaanAli]

Do now the Supreme Court is also controlled by the extreme right wing? Dude, wake up and stay away from such conspiracy theories.

It is not my opinion and I avoid myself making such claims. But sometimes someone else's hypothesis is required to counter wild allegations and mudslinging by others without studying the issue.

 

[manlion]

And vice versa.

There was nothing much Vedic left after that happened.

The Upanishads. Then the Puranic age.

Temples and murtis and water taking the place of fire and the elements. Local native deities .

The Hindus have moved so far away from the original common roots with the Aryan Persian faith that every time we look for similarities we get into theological comparisons from the od texts and old languages.

@Great Brahmin

Cheers, Doc

you are only partially correct, in the south, religion is under the control of brahmins, this is through appropriation and absorption of local native religion into vedic brahmanism.

An e.g Sri Vaishnavism was a non brahmin indigenous Tamil religion, later propagated by Tamil saints, Alvars in the 7th - 8th AD. This tradition was independent of vedas and Sanskrit. In the 10th AD, a Brahmin, Ramanuja, converted it into a vedic brahmanist religion by incorporating vedic mantras, brahmin priesthood and legitimised and merged the Tamil philosophical system with vedic philosophy, giving it a new name - Visistadvaita.

Today, its followers are all brahmins (or converts) spread across in Tamilnadu, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. They call themselves Iyengar to distinguish themselves from smarta vedic advaitin brahmins, Iyers.

Sri Vaishnavism also spread across Northern India (UP, Nepal ) through Ramananda and its non brahmanical religious sect. Their followers are known as Ramanandis, in Gujarat they are Swami Narayans

In Kerala , the native god Ayappa was appropriated into brahmanism by smarta brahmin Sankara using fake mythologies i.e puranas

 

[KapitaanAli]

In Kerala , the native god Ayappa was appropriated into brahmanism by smarta brahmin Sankara using fake mythologies i.e puranas

If we go by more rational thoughts, Ayyappan was a warrior who once fought with Vavar's assistance (whose mosque all Ayyappa devotees visit to this day) to take Sabarimala, but later turned to Buddhism.

It is said that (with some evidence) Brahmanical immigrants massacred hundreds of Buddhists in Sabarimala to appropriate Ayyappan. They later created more superhero origin stories for him, but made sure that Ayyappan is at a lower level than their own Gods.

This is not to say that the traditions should all be stripped down. But keep in mind that we never absolutely own the things we do. All our ancestors have done bad things.

It should also be noted that the "not all women can enter" is a very recent tradition. Until a few decades ago, it was just too difficult for women to cross the forest. There are old Hindus who confirm that young women had indeed visited the temple when they could.

 

[Nilu Pule]

Idiot, answere one question, a civil war usually takes place between two sects of people. Which two sects are going to fight against each other against the Sabrimala verdict? Hindus of South India against the Hindus of North India?, Both of whom want the same thing, I.e the rulling to be quashed?

Bhaiyye, there are ethnic civil wars too.

Makrand Katju, ex- chief justice of India who wrote this article has more knowledge than you.

 

[Zhukov]

Why would the most educated part of India take up arms and destroy their peaceful society?
and there is no known Radicalization or running arm supplies in the region to fuel any such endeavor

 

[Species]

And vice versa.

There was nothing much Vedic left after that happened.

The Upanishads. Then the Puranic age.

Temples and murtis and water taking the place of fire and the elements. Local native deities .

The Hindus have moved so far away from the original common roots with the Aryan Persian faith that every time we look for similarities we get into theological comparisons from the od texts and old languages.

@Great Brahmin

Cheers, Doc

Indians have indeed moved far away from the original version of the faith but what I'm talking about is its essence which is still present.

People are still killing each other in the name of caste. The fair skinned Persian Aryans used to consider the dark skinned Dravidians as rakshasas or demons. The notion of dark skinned people from the South being inferior to the fair skinned from the North is still there.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Government and Judiciary should quit interfering in internal matters of faith.

Cheers, Doc

Especially when majority of the community is against it.

The Fake Dravidian is already waking off to his favorite fantasy.

There is war happening but for change it's the Hindus of South India having had enough of the Commies and Vatican Pedos.

I can confidently say that no practicing Hindu woman would pay a visit even though the court has termed it legal.

Though I expect some western influenced woman would try to create a scene for their publicity and propaganda.

Hindus should take it easy. This will die on its own.

If we go by more rational thoughts, Ayyappan was a warrior who once fought with Vavar's assistance (whose mosque all Ayyappa devotees visit to this day) to take Sabarimala, but later turned to Buddhism.

It is said that (with some evidence) Brahmanical immigrants massacred hundreds of Buddhists in Sabarimala to appropriate Ayyappan. They later created more superhero origin stories for him, but made sure that Ayyappan is at a lower level than their own Gods.

This is not to say that the traditions should all be stripped down. But keep in mind that we never absolutely own the things we do. All our ancestors have done bad things.

It should also be noted that the "not all women can enter" is a very recent tradition. Until a few decades ago, it was just too difficult for women to cross the forest. There are old Hindus who confirm that young women had indeed visited the temple when they could.

What nonsense is this.

you are only partially correct, in the south, religion is under the control of brahmins, this is through appropriation and absorption of local native religion into vedic brahmanism.

An e.g Sri Vaishnavism was a non brahmin indigenous Tamil religion, later propagated by Tamil saints, Alvars in the 7th - 8th AD. This tradition was independent of vedas and Sanskrit. In the 10th AD, a Brahmin, Ramanuja, converted it into a vedic brahmanist religion by incorporating vedic mantras, brahmin priesthood and legitimised and merged the Tamil philosophical system with vedic philosophy, giving it a new name - Visistadvaita.

Today, its followers are all brahmins (or converts) spread across in Tamilnadu, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. They call themselves Iyengar to distinguish themselves from smarta vedic advaitin brahmins, Iyers.

Sri Vaishnavism also spread across Northern India (UP, Nepal ) through Ramananda and its non brahmanical religious sect. Their followers are known as Ramanandis, in Gujarat they are Swami Narayans

In Kerala , the native god Ayappa was appropriated into brahmanism by smarta brahmin Sankara using fake mythologies i.e puranas

What nonsense.

Iyengars are vaishnavites while Iyers are shaivites.

 

[padamchen]

Especially when majority of the community is against it.




I can confidently say that no practicing Hindu woman would pay a visit even though the court has termed it legal.

Though I expect some western influenced woman would try to create a scene for their publicity and propaganda.

Hindus should take it easy. This will die on its own.



What nonsense is this.




What nonsense.

Iyengars are vaishnavites while Iyers are shaivites.

This is exactly what happens in ALL faiths ....

The internal rules are very clear and no one bucks them.

The problem emerging in India is about renegades.

It's happened to us as well .....

The courts and government have no business stepping in to support renegades who go against the commonly accepted belief system of any community.

This will cause anarchy and bloodshed. They do not realise the fire they are playing with.

Cheers, Doc

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

They can't.

I am just loving what's happening in Kerala.
This was just what the doctor ordered to wake up the coward Kerala Hindus, who were hiding their cowardice under the facade of secularism.

Now they KNOW. They know they are nothing for the Commies and Vatican Pedos.
Kerala Hindus seem to have finally grown a pair & are fighting for their rights.

Big thanks for Lord Ayyappa for waking up the Kerala Hindus.

What many non-hindus do not understand is the Hindu woman would be at the forefront in fighting against this verdict.

Historically, many Hindu woman proudly always claimed that their spouses have take Ayyappa deeksha.

This law is akin to forcing a wife sending her husband to a brothel. This is never going to fly.

 

[padamchen]

Indians have indeed moved far away from the original version of the faith but what I'm talking about is its essence which is still present.

People are still killing each other in the name of caste. The fair skinned Persian Aryans used to consider the dark skinned Dravidians as rakshasas or demons. The notion of dark skinned people from the South being inferior to the fair skinned from the North is still there.

But that's not faith.

That's race. Blood.

Do you buy the sanghi BS that all Hindus are one race, one people?

If you do not (no non Hindu does, and most Hindus I know don't either) then you understand India.

Cheers, Doc