Iranian Zulfiqar missile revealed

[VEVAK]

adding tiny liquid fueled thrusters for stabilization and maneuvering is noting in terms of cost and it's far cheaper than a vectoring rocket

Iran's Zelzal which is one of the cheapest rocket artillery uses thrusters for stabilization

 

[PeeD]

No worries VEVAK I know quite something I'm talking about.

A few points:

A missile with a MARV (aerodynamic control for terminal phase) will not use rocket booster assisted spin stabilization. Such spin stabilization as used on the Zelzal are for unguided systems and unguided RV's released by a PBV.
Whats more important: such a rocket booster spin stabilization system is cheap as you said, yes. But we are talking about a gas nozzle steering system which needs to be restart-able and being time-able with short/agile ons and offs. Such a system is much more complicated to design and to produce than a one time start solid fuel booster for spin stabilization which is basically just large fireworks. So no comparison between these two technologies possible.

The air inlet systems on Fatehs and Zolfaghar is for aerodynamic control surfaces/fins. They are not electrically driven but by high air pressure. In that way they can handle the huge forces during re entry and act for the whole terminal phase. It could additionally be used as a separation system yes, but at this point I would say a spring based system is cheaper and simpler.

You might be right and a gimballed cold gas or hydrazine steering motor is used at the aft of the RV for exo-atmospheric anti-ABM maneuvering (and only for this purpose). But as I said its unlikely due to the large effort and costs necessary.

 

[VEVAK]

No worries VEVAK I know quite something I'm talking about.

A few points:

A missile with a MARV (aerodynamic control for terminal phase) will not use rocket booster assisted spin stabilization. Such spin stabilization as used on the Zelzal are for unguided systems and unguided RV's released by a PBV.
Whats more important: such a rocket booster spin stabilization system is cheap as you said, yes. But we are talking about a gas nozzle steering system which needs to be restart-able and being time-able with short/agile ons and offs. Such a system is much more complicated to design and to produce than a one time start solid fuel booster for spin stabilization which is basically just large fireworks. So no comparison between these two technologies possible.

The air inlet systems on Fatehs and Zolfaghar is for aerodynamic control surfaces/fins. They are not electrically driven but by high air pressure. In that way they can handle the huge forces during re entry and act for the whole terminal phase. It could additionally be used as a separation system yes, but at this point I would say a spring based system is cheaper and simpler.

You might be right and a gimballed cold gas or hydrazine steering motor is used at the aft of the RV for exo-atmospheric anti-ABM maneuvering (and only for this purpose). But as I said its unlikely due to the large effort and costs necessary.

Your twisting my words!!!!

My point is adding a few thruster to a PBV (Post boost Vehicle in space) in terms of cost is nothing!!! I didn't say it has spin stabilization!!!

The fins are for terminal guidance of the warhead upon reentry

And Trust me you DON"T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!

I can back my words up with evidence and you have nothing but words!!!

Your so off course that it's hilarious!!!

1st off in 2012 the discussion of making the missiles a bit more expensive and more accurate was settled among Iranian military official and every step Iran took from then on was towards adding PBV and better guidance to all it's missiles

In 2012 Iran fire some 15 Missiles & Rockets at a mocked up bases of all only the 3 fatteh & 1 tondar missile was able to hit the base

all the rest missed some missing by a km some a few 100 meters

from that point on Zelzal and unguided ballistic trajectories were not acceptable!


Every person with a phone has a camera and Iran didn't want to aim at a Air base and end up hitting a hospital or even worse hit nothing!!! plus if you can't aren't able to take out their bases their attacks will never stop

Major research started both for PBV vs simple cheaper control surfaces & PBV won and now we have the Emad and the reduces range was acceptable due to accuracy
Plus for a missile like Sejil PBV greatly increases range

Zelzal test with simple control surface kits missis target by about 100 meters

so cry me a river all you want the Zolfagar has a PBV with additional thrusters for control

What you think you know and what the truth is

Yea I'm lying Iran's media is lying and only PeeD knows the truth!!!

2 min ago you were claiming it didn't have a PBV and the red cap wasn't for a rocket but for a spring! are you conceding that now???

I'm not claiming the vehicle has exo-atmospheric steering just gas or thrust stabilization for the separation of the the PBV

I said they could potentially add on an extra section for above atmosphere trajectory maneuvers for high value targets like SAM sites in the future!!! & in the nose cape for reentry

 

[Draco.IMF]

No worries VEVAK I know quite something I'm talking about.

A few points:

A missile with a MARV (aerodynamic control for terminal phase) will not use rocket booster assisted spin stabilization. Such spin stabilization as used on the Zelzal are for unguided systems and unguided RV's released by a PBV.
Whats more important: such a rocket booster spin stabilization system is cheap as you said, yes. But we are talking about a gas nozzle steering system which needs to be restart-able and being time-able with short/agile ons and offs. Such a system is much more complicated to design and to produce than a one time start solid fuel booster for spin stabilization which is basically just large fireworks. So no comparison between these two technologies possible.

The air inlet systems on Fatehs and Zolfaghar is for aerodynamic control surfaces/fins. They are not electrically driven but by high air pressure. In that way they can handle the huge forces during re entry and act for the whole terminal phase. It could additionally be used as a separation system yes, but at this point I would say a spring based system is cheaper and simpler.

You might be right and a gimballed cold gas or hydrazine steering motor is used at the aft of the RV for exo-atmospheric anti-ABM maneuvering (and only for this purpose). But as I said its unlikely due to the large effort and costs necessary.

Irans missiles missing the targets around kilometers and they did change that fiasko only since 2012 ??
im shocked, so all this "Fateh CEP around 10m" was just propaganda?

 

[PeeD]

VEVAK you are an optimistic hamvatan, I have no intention to fight with you over this. From my point of view the MARV of the Zolfghar has no clear indication of a exo-atmospheric gas steering system. Furthermore a spring separation system would be more than sufficient as there is no need for any stabilization at the point of separation until reentry if they got the COG right. The RV floats without interference in vacuum like a stone until the atmospheric pressure is enough for aerodynamic steering via fin at re-entry, at this point trajectory can be corrected and anti-ABM maneuvering. Any kind of gas steering system would only add value if used against systems such as the THAAD, it has no impact on accuracy of the missile.

 

[AmirPatriot]

And Trust me you DON"T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!

VEVAK man you need to deflate your head a bit. First you said Penguin has a "lower IQ" than you now you're saying PeeD doesn't even know what he's talking about? Calm it bro, don't talk down to people like that.

 

[mohsen]

Your twisting my words!!!!

My point is adding a few thruster to a PBV (Post boost Vehicle in space) in terms of cost is nothing!!! I didn't say it has spin stabilization!!!

The fins are for terminal guidance of the warhead upon reentry

And Trust me you DON"T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!

I can back my words up with evidence and you have nothing but words!!!

Your so off course that it's hilarious!!!

1st off in 2012 the discussion of making the missiles a bit more expensive and more accurate was settled among Iranian military official and every step Iran took from then on was towards adding PBV and better guidance to all it's missiles

In 2012 Iran fire some 15 Missiles & Rockets at a mocked up bases of all only the 3 fatteh & 1 tondar missile was able to hit the base

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all the rest missed some missing by a km some a few 100 meters

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from that point on Zelzal and unguided ballistic trajectories were not acceptable!


Every person with a phone has a camera and Iran didn't want to aim at a Air base and end up hitting a hospital or even worse hit nothing!!! plus if you can't aren't able to take out their bases their attacks will never stop

Major research started both for PBV vs simple cheaper control surfaces & PBV won and now we have the Emad and the reduces range was acceptable due to accuracy
Plus for a missile like Sejil PBV greatly increases range




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Zelzal test with simple control surface kits missis target by about 100 meters

so cry me a river all you want the Zolfagar has a PBV with additional thrusters for control

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What you think you know and what the truth is

Yea I'm lying Iran's media is lying and only PeeD knows the truth!!!

2 min ago you were claiming it didn't have a PBV and the red cap wasn't for a rocket but for a spring! are you conceding that now???

I'm not claiming the vehicle has exo-atmospheric steering just gas or thrust stabilization for the separation of the the PBV

I said they could potentially add on an extra section for above atmosphere trajectory maneuvers for high value targets like SAM sites in the future!!! & in the nose cape for reentry

can you backup your nonsense about 11 missiles missing the target and a kilometer error?
let me guess, your arse!

 

[VEVAK]

VEVAK man you need to deflate your head a bit. First you said Penguin has a "lower IQ" than you now you're saying PeeD doesn't even what he's talking about? Calm it bro, don't talk down to people like that.

Sorry dude! I do get over agitated when someone makes a claim I know for a fact to be untrue false!

For example saying the controlled surfaces of the fateh are not electrically driven! That is an absurd statement that I easily proved to be false!

But when someone twists my words that just sets me off

I put the pic of the Zelzal there to prove to him that adding a few small thrusters to Zolfagar's PBV isn't going to vastly increase the missiles costs all and he twisted that into me claiming that the Zolfaghar had spin stabilization

Fact is even before Iran's media showed the simulation of the Zolfaghar I was the very 1st person here to correctly analyze the pictures and state that it was a 1.5 stage missiles with a rocket powered PBV.....

And I promises you the Zolfaghar PBV most definitely does have tiny thrusters for stabilization & reentry!

Building PBV's is essential for Iran and in terms of cost it is most definitely not an expensive equipment at all Iran can build a cars for as little as if not under $7,000

And I promises you Iran can build a PBV with as little as or under $5,000 - $20,000 depending on the size of the missile and equipped with a minimum of one main engine and up to 8-10 thrusters for stabilization and control

And the most expensive part of the process would be to do enough tests to be able to develop a more accurate software. stabilization part is noting it's just the reentry and guidance you need to conduct tests on to hit targets under 650 km and Iran conducts enough missile test to do that!

The Emad has a true PBV & the Sejil-2 from the beginning was always built to carry one

this for the Qiam missile

super light tanks for sat's

 

[VEVAK]

can you backup your nonsense about 11 missiles missing the target and a kilometer error?
let me guess, your arse!

Did Iran's 2012 decision to go full speed on accuracy upset you????? If so let me give you some more depressing news then! The day Iran made public it's Emad missiles on that day over 100 of them had already been produced and delivered!


How big do you think this mockup air base is??? this base is at the very least 7km x 3km AT LEAST!!!

Shahid beheshti is ~ 10km x 5km

Iran's 2012 Zelzal had a CEP of well over a KM that's a fact

Soviet FROG-7 with a 70km range had a CEP of 500m - 700m

as the range increases on unguided rockets the CEP also goes up and like it or not that is reality!!!!!

Seems to me in reality you like Iran having low tech weapons!!! Thank God that's not happening!!!

Regardless, that was back in 2012!! Right now all of Iran's standoff missiles have a CEP of under 50 meters

Even our Zelzal rockets have been upgraded with kits that give them a CEP of under 100 meters!!!!

As I showed in the pic's earlier even older Shahab missiles are also getting an upgrade

 

[mohsen]

Did Iran's 2012 decision to go full speed on accuracy upset you????? If so let me give you some more depressing news then! The day Iran made public it's Emad missiles on that day over 100 of them had already been produced and delivered!


How big do you think this mockup air base is??? this base is at the very least 7km x 3km AT LEAST!!!

Shahid beheshti is ~ 10km x 5km


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Iran's 2012 Zelzal had a CEP of well over a KM that's a fact

Soviet FROG-7 with a 70km range had a CEP of 500m - 700m

as the range increases on unguided rockets the CEP also goes up and like it or not that is reality!!!!!

Seems to me in reality you like Iran having low tech weapons!!! Thank God that's not happening!!!

Regardless, that was back in 2012!! Right now all of Iran's standoff missiles have a CEP of under 50 meters

Even our Zelzal rockets have been upgraded with kits that give them a CEP of under 100 meters!!!!

As I showed in the pic's earlier even older Shahab missiles are also getting an upgrade

as I said you are nothing but a liar troll. your so called facts are nothing but your lies.

1.They announced that 100% of the missiles hit the target, and I believe them rather than a liar like you. I'm sure your master's satellites were monitoring the wargame and they wouldn't hesitate to publish some pictures to humiliate and denounce the power of the IRGC in public.

2. It was 2012 that brigadier Jafari chief commander of IRGC said the CEP of Zelzal is less than 50m, and again I believe him rather than a liar like you.

3.also it was funny to say Khalij fars missile has missed the target too, after all it was among the fired missiles. also an anti radar ballistic missile was tested in this wargame too, guess the name!

4.This picture just shows the very first missile's impacts and it's just one section of the base:

some other section with different shape:

 

[Hack-Hook]

as I said you are nothing but a liar troll. your so called facts are nothing but your lies.

1.They announced that 100% of the missiles hit the target, and I believe them rather than a liar like you. I'm sure your master's satellites were monitoring the wargame and they wouldn't hesitate to publish some pictures to humiliate and denounce the power of the IRGC in public.

2. It was 2012 that brigadier Jafari chief commander of IRGC said the CEP of Zelzal is less than 50m, and again I believe him rather than a liar like you.

3.also it was funny to say Khalij fars missile has missed the target too, after all it was among the fired missiles. also an anti radar ballistic missile was tested in this wargame too, guess the name!

4.This picture just shows the very first missile's impacts and it's just one section of the base:

some other section with different shape:

well I don't knew about the 2012 but in 2001 those SCUD's as they claim or Zelzal (perhaps Nazeat) as I believe, were not that precise . we fired 44-70 of them at those MKO Scums and killed only 6 person and injured 25

 

[mohsen]

well I don't knew about the 2012 but in 2001 those SCUD's as they claim or Zelzal (perhaps Nazeat) as I believe, were not that precise . we fired 44-70 of them at those MKO Scums and killed only 6 person and injured 25

says who? those who till a month ago were claiming their commander is alive!

 

[VEVAK]

says who? those who till a month ago were claiming their commander is alive!

as I said you are nothing but a liar troll. your so called facts are nothing but your lies.

1.They announced that 100% of the missiles hit the target, and I believe them rather than a liar like you. I'm sure your master's satellites were monitoring the wargame and they wouldn't hesitate to publish some pictures to humiliate and denounce the power of the IRGC in public.

2. It was 2012 that brigadier Jafari chief commander of IRGC said the CEP of Zelzal is less than 50m, and again I believe him rather than a liar like you.

3.also it was funny to say Khalij fars missile has missed the target too, after all it was among the fired missiles. also an anti radar ballistic missile was tested in this wargame too, guess the name!

4.This picture just shows the very first missile's impacts and it's just one section of the base:

some other section with different shape:

I bet the fact that Iran doubled it's military spending upsets you as well!!! Nearly double by the % of the GDP since Ahmadi was forced out and back up to 6% as it should have remained!!!!

FYI Khalij e fars was aimd at the sea!!! I'd have to be mentally disturbed to claim that it hit this target!!!!


Here is the Zelzal with a guidance kit (FYI these were tests done to create a guidance kit so their accuracy today is far better!!!! ) I hope that's more troubling news for you!!!

Watch the entire video

Unlike you I don't need to lie anymore!!! The day's of liars are DONE!

In 2012 Iranian Generals were also claiming Iran's Shahab-3 had a CEP of 50 meters!!! What Iranian generals said back then was for the security of the country the difference today is they can prove it!!! (Hell Back in 2012 I also claimed Iran's Shahab-3 had a CEP of 50 meters despite the fact that I knew better today I don't need to lie)

Emad has a CEP of 50 Meters

Fatteh, Zolfaghar, Khalj e fars have a CEP of under 10 meters

Iranian UAV's can hit moving target's

If the Zelzal had a CEP of 50 meters we wouldn't put a kick on it! I understand that's too much for you to grasp for I would be asking you to think and use your brain!!!

We Iranians may have created the word Magic & Magician but we don't do magic!!! We are the fastest growing country in science and technology and we don't need lies and magic and fake haloes around ppls heads or talk to an empty chair (Mag, Magi & Magian were Zoroastrian priests that world turned into Magic and Magician)

* Kit not kick....

 

[Faravahar]

Just watched the panel at the Atlantic council on Iran's missiles from a few days ago.

They basically got bunch of retards together and it was hilarious the amount of none sense you hear.

One of the guys claimed:

1-Fateh-110 has a CEP same as scud missile
2- Iran has about 100 shahab/ghadir type missiles
3- Iran will need another decade to fully master the Emad missile tech. In other words claiming Emad is a decade away from being ready!
4- Wondering if Iran can make the engine for its shahab class missile or does Iran need to import parts.


This Michael Elleman is honestly one of the dumbest "missile experts" I have come across. And this is not the first time he made moronic claims like this.

 

[Arminkh]

Just watched the panel at the Atlantic council on Iran's missiles from a few days ago.

They basically got bunch of retards together and it was hilarious the amount of none sense you hear.

One of the guys claimed:

1-Fateh-110 has a CEP same as scud missile
2- Iran has about 100 shahab/ghadir type missiles
3- Iran will need another decade to fully master the Emad missile tech. In other words claiming Emad is a decade away from being ready!
4- Wondering if Iran can make the engine for its shahab class missile or does Iran need to import parts.


This Michael Elleman is honestly one of the dumbest "missile experts" I have come across. And this is not the first time he made moronic claims like this.

On the contrary, countries spend huge money to make other countries underestimate their military power. We should be happy, that these guys live in their own reality. Those who should know and are real decision makers, know what is going on.

These nonsense are for public and media use. And as far as I'm concerned, the less their public fear Iran, the better.