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If Dubai is a so-called "Persian" city then hundreds of cities in Iran are Arab cities let alone whole provinces.:lol:

To give an example then whole of Spain and Portugal are basically Arab lands since we founded most of the cities there and most have Arab origin. Whole provinces and most of them moreover. The capital Madrid.

20-25% of the Spanish and Portuguese vocabulary is of Arab origin. Household Arab names such as Omar and Fatima are common Spanish/Portuguese names that Catholics that speak Spanish/Portuguese have in Iberia, South America and Africa.

There are TONS of Arab traces in EVERY single Muslim country to this day, let alone non-Muslim. Which means well over 100 countries.

Dubai was not founded by any Iranians. Dubai 200 years ago was a small fishing village. It was far from being one of the commercial hubs in what is now UAE. It was practically a village.

Most of the so-called Persian immigrants to Dubai were Huwala. Over half of them were Arabs living in Southern Iran (as many hundred of thousand still do to this day) who returned. One just need to look at the names of those Iranians cities ACROSS THE ENTIRE GULF to get a clue about what I am talking about. A smaller minority were Sunni Persian families. The latter are all Arabized, have married local Arabs etc.

Huwala - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At the end of the day Dubai plays absolutely no role in Arab history. It was a little fishing village and nothing more. The Arabs inhabit and founded similar fishing villages in 3 continents. From Morocco to Indonesia.

There are many Dubai's although in a smaller scale in just UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman. 5 out of well over 20 Arab countries and all small Arab countries.

The Iranians in UAE number less than 500.000. 90% of them are non-nationals. They are investing in Arab lands and are assimilating.

Also Yzd Khalifa and others are right when they say that UAE will never trust Mullahistan. The trade is one way traffic.
Trade between Dubai and Iran tripled to $12 billion from 2005 to 2009.[5] UAE's exports to Iran are of a magnitude four times greater than its imports from Iran.[6]

All those assets could be frozen in the matter of hours and all those 500.000 Iranian migrants could get deported since they do not possess citizenship. They are living there on loan while contributing to the UAE economy as other migrant workers/investors.

The Mullah's in Mullahistan have lost a few billions of dollars due to their citizens having invested in Dubai instead of their own country. Something to brag about indeed. There is no mention of that Muhammad dude being of Persian descent. What is clear is that he has Arab ancestry, looks like one and is fully Arabized. Little if anything to do with your regular depressed Iranian Shia in Mashhad or somewhere else.

Dubai is now what is today due to many factors. The most important thing being the visionary rule of its ARAB rulers. Dubai is not any different than any city/village found alongside the Gulf. Although there is only one Dubai when there could be hundreds in smaller scale at least.

Trade in what is now Dubai (Arab trade) was much more widespread than any Iranian trade was. The Arabs had colonies in 3 different continents. Something the Iranians never had. It were the Arab traders who facilitated the spice trade and had more or less monopoly on Indian and South Asian spice trade until the Brits and Dutch arrived.

Not to mention the vital pearl trade.

UAE was always a hob of trade. Dubai has become it in the last decade. A place where many non-locals settled. Arab as non-Arab. As is typical for cities dominated by trade.

The Huwala settlers (Mainly Arabs living in Southern Iran and a few Sunni Persian families) who fled the Northern shores of the Gulf 100 years ago and settled in Dubai did it because they saw opportunities. Just as the Iranian refugees/migrant workers/investors have done it in Dubai in the last 30 years or so. As have other non-local Arabs, Indians etc.
 
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Most of the Persians who migrated to Dubai were not Arabs, but Persians. That is clearly manifested in their language, architecture and culture they brought with them.

There is no mention of that Muhammad dude being of Persian descent. What is clear is that he has Arab ancestry, looks like one and is fully Arabized.

And yes, that Mohammad guy is Persian, and does look like one. He is Ajami according to Sultan Sooud Al Qassemi:

One of the current ministers in the UAE cabinet was my first big boss, Mohammed Al Gergawi. I can still remember the first time we met at Dubai Internet City (DIC) HQ when I was introduced to him, then the chairman of DIC by the CEO.

He came to me and shook my hand with most memorable quote, "Welcome to Dubai Internet City, been waiting for you and I know your name, as we have a same name...Mohammed!"

His smile was genuine with warm friendly manner. We had good times during the development of DIC. We love him for his approachable and open management style. About my age and workaholic down to earth guy. He is one of the 'Ajami' as mentioned in the below article.

Fudzail: The ethnic minorities in the UAE cabinet

Dubai is a Persian city. At least half of the local Emiratis are Persian. Just like 30% of the Kuwaitis are.
 
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Most of the Persians who migrated to Dubai were not Arabs, but Persians. That is clearly manifested in their language, architecture and culture they brought with them.



And yes, that Mohammad guy is Persian, and does look like one. He is Ajami according to Sultan Sooud Al Qassemi:



Fudzail: The ethnic minorities in the UAE cabinet

Dubai is a Persian city. At least half of the local Emiratis are Persian.

Eh, the Huwala were first of all entirely people that belonged to the Sunni sect of Islam. Secondly well over half of them were Arabs who once settled on the Southern shores of the Iranian parts of the Gulf and who chose to return to the southern shores of the Gulf. That is well-known. You can even see that by their names.

Or just read about the Huwala.

A smaller group were Persian Sunnis from Southern Iran who chose to settle in what is now UAE. They can be counted in a few thousands.

Arabs living in Iran are also influenced by Iranian culture since they live in Iran. Hello?

Well, he is of Arab ancestry as well given the looks. Fully Arabized at least. Besides what does this change of anything?

95% of all Iranians living in UAE are NON-NATIONALS and recent migrants. That was the point.

Besides I do not care the slightest were people are from as long as they contribute if they live in one of the GCC countries since that will benefit KSA.

How it can be a bad thing that non-nationals (Iranians) invest in a GCC country instead of their own I also fail to see.
 
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@Surenas @Yzd Khalifa @al-Hasani - Would you guys ever stop with the incessant Arab-Persian BS ! :pissed:

You guys are either arguing about whether such & such people are or were Persians or were they Arabs or whether such & such a place is Persian or is it Arab - Who gives a foOk ? The people & the land can be Martian for all its worth it ain't gonna solve their social, economic or political issues - Good Governance is !

Take the example of the Gulf - To hell with the Arab or Persian Gulf - Name it Armstrong's Jacuzzi & get it over with ! :hitwall:
 
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Besides Ajami does not refer to Iranians but foreigners in general. More precisely "non-Arabs". This includes the few thousand Baluch and other non-Arabs if UAE is the example.

In Hijaz Ajami is used (politically incorrect today) by some older native Hijazis to describe the Afro-Arab community, the Indonesian one and the other minorities that settled in Hijaz since antiquity who now have assimilated fully more or less and some have even intermarried with the local population. Ajam has very distinct correlations depending on the Arab country and region.

In Yemen this is used for the Ethiopian and Somali/Horn of Africa immigrants and the local Afro-Arabs. In Libya this is used against the minority Berbers living in the Saharan desert and the Sub-Saharan migrant workers. In Iraq it was mainly used against Kurds, Turkmens and Iranians.
 
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Besides Ajami does not refer to Iranians but foreigners in general. More precisely "non-Arabs". This includes the few thousand Baluch and other non-Arabs if UAE is the example.

Again, according to that Arab Sultan:

In the Gulf Arab monarchies the term Ajam is used as a reference to Persians who emmigrated to the southern shores of the Gulf in the turn of the last century, and others who had done so decades and even centuries earlier. The Ajam have been instrumental in advancing commerce, culture and even architecture where they have settled.

Fudzail: The ethnic minorities in the UAE cabinet
 
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@Surenas @Yzd Khalifa @al-Hasani - Would you guys ever stop with the incessant Arab-Persian BS ! :pissed:

You guys are either arguing about whether such & such people are or were Persians or were they Arabs or whether such & such a place is Persian or is it Arab - Who gives a foOk ? The people & the land can be Martian for all its worth it ain't gonna solve their social, economic or political issues - Good Governance is !

Take the example of the Gulf - To hell with the Arab or Persian Gulf - Name it Armstrong's Jacuzzi & get it over with ! :hitwall:

From my experience only the Khaliji Arabs care about the name of that swallow little Gulf. And they number like 1-2% of the total Arab population. In KSA there are 200.000 of them (Arabs who speak Khaliji Arabic) and ironically many if not most of them are Shias living in the coastal regions of the Eastern Province. We Arabs border so many seas. KSA alone - 1 single Arab country has a longer coastline than that of Iran. We have access to the Atlantic Ocean, the longest coastlines in the Mediterranean Sea, the beautiful and tropical Red Sea, Gulf, Arabian Sea, Gulf of Oman, Indian Ocean etc. List is enormous. Let alone the seas whose names are Arab. I always found it funny when the Iranians (many of them not even Persians LOL) put such a big emphasis on this.

No Arab turned this discussion into an Arab-Iranian rivalry and certainly not me. I just countered historical fallacies. I do not care about Dubai. Dubai will continue to be in Arab hands, on Arab land and be ruled by Arabs. No matter how many non-nationls and immigrants might invest in it. That is the sole purpose of that city. To attract foreigners so they can spend their money in Dubai for the sake and economic growth of Dubai and UAE. Why do the wise and clever rulers otherwise invest all that money and built all those amazing projects?

As I said I do not care where people are from as long as they contribute positively and do not cause problems.

Iranians and others should be welcome. Arabs are famous for their great hospitality. I can drink coffee and tea with an Iranian and an Eskimo if we can do business and I can have an interesting conversation. Mutual coexistence which Dubai is a great example of and that is one of the many things that make the Arab world great although we only talk about like 0,1% of Arab territory and population.

Ajami means non-Arab in Arabic. No biggie.
 
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@al-Hasani - The only sea that touches Pakistan is called the Arabian Sea - We never gave a frig as to what its called as long as it served the purpose seas are there for - Port, Fishing, Strategic Value ! :unsure:

And I know what an Ajmi is - It means the same thing in Persian & Urdu ! :)

I'm just teasing you ! :P
 
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@al-Hasani - The only sea that touches Pakistan is called the Arabian Sea - We never gave a frig as to what its called as long as it served the purpose seas are there for - Port, Fishing, Strategic Value ! :unsure:

And I know what an Ajmi is - It means the same thing in Persian & Urdu ! :)

I'm just teasing you ! :P

Also has ample space for you to paddle in and scare the pants off of unsuspecting seamen. :D
 
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Take the example of the Gulf - To hell with the Arab or Persian Gulf - Name it Armstrong's Jacuzzi & get it over with ! :hitwall:
Dude you must have a one big *** if you need such a big Jacuzzi. :omghaha:
Slim a little bit or she will not like you.

hazal-kaya-11.jpg
 
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@al-Hasani - The only sea that touches Pakistan is called the Arabian Sea - We never gave a frig as to what its called as long as it served the purpose seas are there for - Port, Fishing, Strategic Value ! :unsure:

And I know what an Ajmi is - It means the same thing in Persian & Urdu ! :)

I'm just teasing you ! :P

Well, I am not caring that much either I just stated some facts. I have no problem calling it the Persian Gulf. Who cares? Did the Persian found the Gulf (LOL)? Do they inhabit all of it? Rather the contrary. The majority that live alongside that swallow gulf/water out of MANY waters that border Arab lands is mainly inhabited by us Arabs. Many Arabs even live alongside its Northern shores in what is now Iran and many of the cities and villages there have Arab names. Big deal as you say.

Do Pakistan have islands btw?:D

Just chill, make some Arab sweets, drink some Arab coffee, tea and relax.

Wonderful Arabic Chill Out Music 26 5 2009 - winukomi - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF-kgZf2nFI

Look at the Youtube comments.:lol:
 
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