Iran successfully produces a new generation of the Tomcat F-14

[IRIAF]

GCC already have the strongest air force in the ME, KSA air force is going to take this postion due to the completion of the delivery of the signed contracts. It will be as the following:
1- GCC
2- KSA
3- Israel
4- Turkey
5- Egypt
6- UAE

How can Iran buy all them jets even if they sold , Iran defence budget is around $7+ billion right? Maybe a spending like greece would hit Iran economy hard.

Hi
In the ME only 2 countries and 1 regime are able to build and repair fighters by themselves: IRAN , Turkey , Zionist regime.
We have a powerful airforce. this claim is based on many reasons.
Turkey is one of the members of NATO and is aided by west.
Zionist regime is aided by west too (USA, England, France and so on).

The only country in the region that is not supported by others is Iran. We fought with France and USSR in Iran-Iraq war. France tried to discover how could defeat AWG-9 (radar of tomcat) by Mirage-F1 . also USSR sent MIG-21 , MIG-23 , MIG-25 , MIG-29 and ... . We fought with KSA AWACS and F-15, Egypt`s Mirage-5 and so on. We had only F-4 , F-5 and dear F-14 , but we did not have replacement and spare parts. We defeated iraqi powerful air force with our tactics and skills of our pilots. We showed that we can change all superpowers`s calculations with our intelligence.

My avatar belongs to a brave pilot(ABBAS DOWRAN) that he could defeat west and USSR.

We Have a strong Air Force in the region due to our strategies and tactics that belong to us, our enemies must spend very much phosphorus to discover our thoughts.

IRIAF is Strong and will be, enshaallah.

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

Hi
In ME only 2 country and 1 regime can build and repair fighters by themselves: IRAN , turkey , Zionist regime.
we have powerful airforce. this matter based on many reasons.
Turkey is member of NATO and aided by west.
Zionist regime aid by USA, England, France and so on.



only country in region that do not support by others is Iran. we fighted by France and USSR in Iran-iraq war. France tried to discover how could defeated AWG-9 (radar of iranian tomcats) by Mirage-F1 . also USSR sended MIG-21 , MIG-23 , MIG-25 , MIG-29 and ... . We fighted with Suadi Arabia AWACS and F-15, Egypt`s Mirage-5 and ... . We had only F-4 , F-5 and dear F-14 , but we did not have Replacement Parts. We defeated big and powerful iraq`s air force with our tactics and skills of our pilots. we showed that we can change all superpowers`s calculations with our brain.

My avatar`s belong to a brave pilot(ABBAS DOWRAN) that he could defeated west and USSR.

We Have strong Air Force in region because our strategies and tactics belong to us. our enemies Must spend very much Phosphorus in their brains for discovering our thoughts.

IRIAF is Strong and will be, enshaallah.

I honestly didnt understand 9/10 things you said but this made me laugh so much---------our enemies Must spend very much Phosphorus in their brains for discovering our thoughts.


and this

My avatar`s belong to a brave pilot(ABBAS DOWRAN) that he could defeated west and USSR.

Hi
In ME only 2 country and 1 regime can build and repair fighters by themselves: IRAN , turkey , Zionist regime.
we have powerful airforce. this matter based on many reasons.
Turkey is member of NATO and aided by west.
Zionist regime aid by USA, England, France and so on.

only country in region that do not support by others is Iran. we fighted by France and USSR in Iran-iraq war. France tried to discover how could defeated AWG-9 (radar of iranian tomcats) by Mirage-F1 . also USSR sended MIG-21 , MIG-23 , MIG-25 , MIG-29 and ... . We fighted with Suadi Arabia AWACS and F-15, Egypt`s Mirage-5 and ... . We had only F-4 , F-5 and dear F-14 , but we did not have Replacement Parts. We defeated big and powerful iraq`s air force with our tactics and skills of our pilots. we showed that we can change all superpowers`s calculations with our brain.

My avatar`s belong to a brave pilot(ABBAS DOWRAN) that he could defeated west and USSR.

We Have strong Air Force in region because our strategies and tactics belong to us. our enemies Must spend very much Phosphorus in their brains for discovering our thoughts.

IRIAF is Strong and will be, enshaallah.

Sorry mate but Saudi arabia airforce is more powerfull than iran , forget about Turkeys and Israels first , and a Turkish airforce established in 1911.

 

[Juice]

I ran out of phosphorus a few post ago.

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

IRIAF i think iranians have a problem of comparing everyone to Iraq .

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Hi
In ME only 2 country and 1 regime can build and repair fighters by themselves: IRAN , turkey , Zionist regime.
we have powerful airforce. this matter based on many reasons.
Turkey is member of NATO and aided by west.
Zionist regime aid by USA, England, France and so on.

only country in region that do not support by others is Iran. we fighted by France and USSR in Iran-iraq war. France tried to discover how could defeated AWG-9 (radar of iranian tomcats) by Mirage-F1 . also USSR sended MIG-21 , MIG-23 , MIG-25 , MIG-29 and ... . We fighted with Suadi Arabia AWACS and F-15, Egypt`s Mirage-5 and ... . We had only F-4 , F-5 and dear F-14 , but we did not have Replacement Parts. We defeated big and powerful iraq`s air force with our tactics and skills of our pilots. we showed that we can change all superpowers`s calculations with our brain.

My avatar`s belong to a brave pilot(ABBAS DOWRAN) that he could defeated west and USSR.

We Have strong Air Force in region because our strategies and tactics belong to us. our enemies Must spend very much Phosphorus in their brains for discovering our thoughts.

IRIAF is Strong and will be, enshaallah.

MEPC provides military engine depot-level maintenance for Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) aircraft and remains committed to being a world class provider for overhaul of engines, parts, and services.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/185004-middle-east-propulsion-company-mepc.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/202517-saudi-arabia-manufacture-f-15sa-wings-locally.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/203138-aec-sign-agreement-panavia-tornado-company.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...s-saudi-arabia-tot-contract-al-salam-aec.html

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

MEPC provides military engine depot-level maintenance for Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) aircraft and remains committed to being a world class provider for overhaul of engines, parts, and services.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/185004-middle-east-propulsion-company-mepc.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/202517-saudi-arabia-manufacture-f-15sa-wings-locally.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/203138-aec-sign-agreement-panavia-tornado-company.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...s-saudi-arabia-tot-contract-al-salam-aec.html

The thread crashed my message never came , Black eagle , i think KSA made a mistake , i think they should have waited for 5th gen fighters instead of a big spending on 4/4.5th gen fighters , like we have like 250+ f-16 being upgraded to block50+ and 60 upgraded f4-2020 and as soon as f-35s come we will throw away the f-4s and also are working on TFX if that dont work maybe a JointVenture , what you think?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

The thread crashed my message never came , Black eagle , i think KSA made a mistake , i think they should have waited for 5th gen fighters instead of a big spending on 4/4.5th gen fighters , like we have like 250+ f-16 being upgraded to block50+ and 60 upgraded f4-2020 and as soon as f-35s come we will throw away the f-4s and also are working on TFX if that dont work maybe a JointVenture , what you think?

KSA needed those jet fighters ASAP, as the region is becoming more turbulent. So, F-35 is not ready yet for mass production, yet needs at least 8-10 years to be delivered. However, RCS is very important but it's not everything, Eurofghiter has proved it's superiority over world 4/4.5 gen jets except for F-22, beside that it provides sth USA would never accept which is the TOT. F-15 SA has several advantages over F-35 and since KSA has a very long experience operating it as well as maintaining/manufacturing it's spare parts, I think KSA has made the best choices.

 

[raptor22]

I honestly didnt understand 9/10 things you said but this made me laugh so much---------our enemies Must spend very much Phosphorus in their brains for discovering our thoughts.


and this

My avatar`s belong to a brave pilot(ABBAS DOWRAN) that he could defeated west and USSR.




Sorry mate but Saudi arabia airforce is more powerfull than iran , forget about Turkeys and Israels first , and a Turkish airforce established in 1911.

I ran out of phosphorus a few post ago.

IRIAF i think iranians have a problem of comparing everyone to Iraq .

MEPC provides military engine depot-level maintenance for Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) aircraft and remains committed to being a world class provider for overhaul of engines, parts, and services.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/185004-middle-east-propulsion-company-mepc.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/202517-saudi-arabia-manufacture-f-15sa-wings-locally.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/203138-aec-sign-agreement-panavia-tornado-company.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...s-saudi-arabia-tot-contract-al-salam-aec.html

The thread crashed my message never came , Black eagle , i think KSA made a mistake , i think they should have waited for 5th gen fighters instead of a big spending on 4/4.5th gen fighters , like we have like 250+ f-16 being upgraded to block50+ and 60 upgraded f4-2020 and as soon as f-35s come we will throw away the f-4s and also are working on TFX if that dont work maybe a JointVenture , what you think?

being under sanctions urged Iran to produce many of its needed spare parts by itself , for eg spare parts of tomcat's radar , engines , avionics systems and also the other fighters while KSA and Israel aerospace programs would stop if american and western aids and supports got cut .

surly comparing Iranian air force by Turkey or Ksa ones doesn't give us a proper view Iran military strategy and its defense budgets direct it to work more in the other ways but what my friend tried to point out is our power isn't only base on equipments and weapons , human resources as a crucial item should be considered as a master key , he said although sadam was supported by super powers and was given most advanced fighters of his time he couldn't do a damn thing against us . we do not compare everyone with Iraq but it's worth noting that Iraq was a proxy and it represented at least 43 countries in the war so it was a kind of world war not a typical one.

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

being under sanctions urged Iran to produce many of its needed spare parts by itself , for eg spare parts of tomcat's radar , engines , avionics systems and also the other fighters while KSA and Israel aerospace programs would stop if american and western aids and supports got cut .

surly comparing Iranian air force by Turkey or Ksa ones doesn't give us a proper view Iran military strategy and its defense budgets direct it to work more in the other ways but what my friend tried to point out is our power isn't only base on equipments and weapons , human resources as a crucial item should be considered as a master key , he said although sadam was supported by super powers and was given most advanced fighters of his time he couldn't do a damn thing against us . we do not compare everyone with Iraq but it's worth noting that Iraq was a proxy and it represented at least 43 countries in the war so it was a kind of world war not a typical one.

lol you compare iran - iraq war like a world war? Then world wars must be a mars wars . You fought against 1 country with old weapons and little history of warfare and less oil and gas than iran and less population than iran , and worse weapons then iran , as iran got f-14 tomcats themdays which was much better than iraqi weapons , so infact you was more in advantage. Iraq just had mass mostly junk things and nothign else lol , irans popualtion is like 3,4 times now and even has more resources and iran-iraq war it was a stalemate so iran never even won so whats the hype.

 

[ihealugo]

Before any jet take off , they will be crushed ......................

We just need a air force to make the enemy busy and then the SAM sites do their job.

 

[Thor]

Similar claims were made in case of Iraq. Here is an advice: get real. Daydreaming has become a common habit of majority of muslims unfortunately.

Maybe you should look at the reality on the ground without clicking the "reply with quote" without even reading the post first.........

It makes mention clearly, that China does not want US in Afghanistan especially long term..... Pakistan definitely does not want it there, Iran does not want it there, Russia overtly has said they must deal with the situation now, but in there back yard.......nah.

A perfect opportunity exists whereby if Iran is attacked, any one of these countries or even in collaboration with each other can supply the US enemy in Afghanistan weaponry that can cause significant amount of damage to it to a point where the US cannot afford to stay until 2014 and definitely not beyond that period.

Reminds me of when the then British Prime Minister Tony Blair went to Afghanistan and asked the Ministers in Kabul how long they though it would take for the Taliban to take over parts of Afghanistan if the coalition left with the ANA..... expecting a reply of years, the Ministers replied "24 hours"....... that is the reality on the ground...........

A window opens with an attack on Iran and as such an opportunity that should not be allowed to leave ones grasp.......

 

[Harry_Thomason]

Exercises aren't real deal. No matter how much an exercise is touted to be realistic; it never gets close to real warfare. Also, it is possible that defensive capabilities of US aircraft were 'deliberately' compromised in these engagements to evaluate their dog-fighting potential in non-advantageous scenarios. Get the point?

In other words, war games doesnt mean anything to you if US loses? Since none of these planes were in the relevant war conditions, there is no other means to base our opinion on, only war games and specs on paper. If you think US is superior at anything and everything, regardless what spec and war tests show, then pick the flag

Stick to Iranian capabilities.

Here is some basic information about US electronic warfare capabilities: Electronic Warfare Weapons - Business Insider

and? Iran knows better about US capabilities than you or me, and while Iran's budget is vastly smaller, it also have the benefit of the very specific focus.

US main focus is military dominance over poor countries, as well as preparation to face-off Russia and China. Iran over the past few decades were specifically working to face US, no one else. That erases US superiority to some extent, much like vastly superior Israel couldnt defeat few thousand of Iran armed and trained Hezbollah fighters.

You always do. According to you; Iran is the strongest nation in the world with solution for every kind of challenge.

From discussions in this forum, it seems as if many Iranians suffer from hubris syndrome; too much devoid of ground realities. Without proper knowledge of things; many jump to conclusions.

Your claims about me have no grounds to any reality I never said or alleged anything like that, nor I am Iranian.

 

[The SC]

@IRIAF

In the ME only 2 countries and 1 regime are able to build and repair fighters by themselves: IRAN , Turkey , Zionist regime.

The Zionist regime with the help of the US could not produce a viable fighter aircraft, it failed miserably. and to repair a fighter aircraft with all spare parts readily available is not an achievement by any standard.
Iran mostly, but turkey too are not comparable to the Zionist entity in these matters as well as others.

 

[The SC]

This is age of information and deception. Can you validate 50,000 KIA figure? In older times, it was easy to conceal facts. But situation has changed in the 21st century. In fact, US is very open about revealing its casualty figure in warfare; more so then many other nations.

Terrain wise, Iraq is not a paradise either. Much of the country is filled with desert and northern regions are mountainous. Desert conditions pack challenges of their own.


Do not confuse IDF with US armed forces in terms of warfare capabilities. According to Iraqi commanders; IDF pales in comparison to US armed forces.

Also, US have learned a lot from Afghanistan about fighting in mountainous regions. And if you expect me to believe that entire populace of Iran is Rambo-like; don't.

Also, do not kid yourself with the assumption that China will aid Iran. This is not COLD WAR era during which China used to be much more economically independent.


Present geopolitical climate does not favours another Iraq style invasion. Iraqi mission was not positive for US image. But reasons for not attacking Iran are different from what you believe. Iranian military might and political outbursts do not scare US. You should remember that US was/is willing to thwart any Iranian attempt to block Straight of Hormuz as an example.

In case of Israel; Iran is in beneficial position of not being located geographically close to Israel. Any attack from IDF will be very ambitious mission and may be carried out after reaching non-interference agreements with neighbouring countries in the path towards Iran.


War is messy business. But you cannot generalize about the whole picture on the basis of videos like these. At the end of the day, US army wasn't wiped out in Iraq or was it?

Iraqi resistance movement began in 2004 and peaked during 2007. However, it lost its momentum and effectiveness afterwards when US took the challenge very seriously. The situation became so dire for Iraqi clerics leading resistance forces that they had to flee to neighbouring countries. Most prominent example is of Muqtada Al-Sadr.

Check this link for momentum of insurgency related activities in Iraq: Interactive: A timeline of violence - Secret Iraq Files - Al Jazeera English

For detailed analysis; Varieties of Counterinsurgency: A Case Study of Iraq, 2003-2009 (Jon Lindsay) - Academia.edu

And US withdrawal process from Iraq is among the most peaceful events in the history of warfare; let alone in modern times. So what kind of panic mode you are talking about?

US left Iraq after stabilizing it, preventing its breakup, implementing democracy and developing modern Iraqi armed forces. Get your facts straight.


Sorry brother; the 1000 figure seems like a fictional account.

Check this realistic account: Amazon.com: American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History (9780062082350): Chris Kyle, Scott McEwen, Jim DeFelice: Books

Also, US military performed really well in urban environments of Iraq. As an example; here is Chinese assessment of the most iconic US military engagement against forces of resistance in Iraqi history: http://sa.rochester.edu/jur/issues/fall2007/chang.pdf

It is apparent from your posts that you are in absolute denial about the ground realities of war in Iraq. Sorry.

Denial mode yourself,
You really personify denial and brain washed mind controlled and directed thoughts personality.
Why don't you say that the American soldiers in the video were actors from Hollywood, it will fit your thought's pattern very well.

You specialise in rebuttals that have nothing to do with reality, you have a one sided view and will stand by it, even it is based on lies or deceptions.
Any proven fact contradicting US claims is not possible in your (blind) eyes , only what you think about the US is real in your little opinion.

As an example to destroy all your rebuttals, we'll take the official military declaration of a prominent Chinese general to defend Iran even if it leads to WW3.(I have posted the link to you in many different threads, but your stubbornness shows your thoughts limitations and closed mindedness with most members of the forum who interact with you).

Iran CAN easily defeat the US. Iran is high-tech today, militarily speaking.
Iraqi resistance defeated the US might.
Afghan resistance defeated the US and many more examples are available to the enquiring mind.
This is due to a basic contradiction inside the American mind, The USA was not founded on imperialistic aims, to the contrary, it was for popular justice and even fought British imperialism in its conception.
And Now The US is fighting other people's (mostly the worldwide Zionism) wars it was not made to fight.
Hence the US can never win an imperialistic war.

 

[LeGenD]

Maybe you should look at the reality on the ground without clicking the "reply with quote" without even reading the post first.........

It makes mention clearly, that China does not want US in Afghanistan especially long term..... Pakistan definitely does not want it there, Iran does not want it there, Russia overtly has said they must deal with the situation now, but in there back yard.......nah.

A perfect opportunity exists whereby if Iran is attacked, any one of these countries or even in collaboration with each other can supply the US enemy in Afghanistan weaponry that can cause significant amount of damage to it to a point where the US cannot afford to stay until 2014 and definitely not beyond that period.

Reminds me of when the then British Prime Minister Tony Blair went to Afghanistan and asked the Ministers in Kabul how long they though it would take for the Taliban to take over parts of Afghanistan if the coalition left with the ANA..... expecting a reply of years, the Ministers replied "24 hours"....... that is the reality on the ground...........

A window opens with an attack on Iran and as such an opportunity that should not be allowed to leave ones grasp.......

Many Pakistani are under the illusion that the duo of both Russia and China have restarted COLD WAR against US and NATO and do not cooperate with them on the issues related to terrorism. This is not true regardless of all the political bickering on the outside.

Both Russia and China desire a stable Afghanistan and do not want extremists back in power.

Read following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/w...nterest-in-afghanistan-after-nato-leaves.html

US, Russia join hands on Pakistan, Afghanistan | DAWN.COM

Obviously! US cannot stay in Afghanistan forever because it does not 'owns' Afghanistan. However, US will remain committed this time and will help the current Afghan government to prevent another Najibullah like incident from recurring. The constant pressure on Taliban may force it to come to terms with the current Afghan government. This is the plan.

So your dream of crushing US forces in Afghanistan will remain a dream even if Iran is attacked. Neither China and nor Russia desire to fight US openly because they are more interested in rebuilding their economies.