Iran-Pakistan Pipeline vs TAPI Pipeline

[Indus Priest King]

You are IG of Idiots.
https://www.thehindu.com/todays-pap...ic-highway-to-Afghanistan/article16358624.ece
https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011...ent-finally-accounts-6-billion_n_1052840.html

I ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME EVIDENCE OF THE UNITED STATES FUNDING CHAHBAHAR YOU ILLITERATE AMRITSARI F**K.

Like how god damn stupid are you?

 

[BATMAN]

I ASKED YOU TO SHOW ME EVIDENCE OF THE UNITED STATES FUNDING CHAHBAHAR YOU ILLITERATE AMRITSARI F**K.

Like how god damn stupid are you?

Do you need video of Obama & Khumeni doing stuff to each other?

 

[Indus Priest King]

Do you need video of Obama sleeping with Khumeni?

So you have no evidence. Good...run along now Amritsari. Don't pollute my thread.

You're dumber than a rock. Chahbahar is a failure. Do you even know geography? Building a highway from Chahbahar to the Afghan border is great...but if the Afghan Taliban control all of southern Afghanistan, how the f**k are you going to build the highway from the Iran-Afghan border to Kabul? Teri baap banaya ga?

India’s Chabahar conundrum
India might be better off building an international consortium with the likes of Japan and South Korea to invest in the project
https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/NlnFBJGnWjG7xmMfJBG5gM/Indias-Chabahar-conundrum.html

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Tehran—the second by a leader from an emerging power after sanctions were lifted (though months after Xi Jinping’s January visit)—has three primary objectives: first, to diversify (and increase) India’s oil and gas supplies; second, to enhance connectivity and trade with Afghanistan, Central Asia and beyond via Iran; and third—given Iran’s growing regional influence—to hedge its geopolitical bets in the region vis-à-vis other players, notably Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Cooperation Council members. A secondary objective is to balance China’s growing influence and also to engage the US in ensuring that India’s interests are protected in the region. For India’s objectives, the port of Chabahar has become the crucial gateway to step up relations with Iran.

Located on the Makran coast, Chabahar is a relatively underdeveloped free trade and industrial zone, especially when compared to the sprawling port of Bandar Abbas further west. For India, Chabahar is of strategic importance for two reasons. First, it is the nearest port to India on the Iranian coast, which provides access to the resources and markets of Afghanistan and Central Asia. Second, it is located 76 nautical miles (less than 150km) west of the Pakistani port of Gwadar, being developed by China; this makes it ideal for keeping track of Chinese or Pakistani military activity based out of Gwadar.

Despite the strategic import of Chabahar for India, there has been very little progress on it for several reasons. First is Iran’s unenthusiastic support for the project. Although the idea was first mooted in 2003, it was only in 2012 on the sidelines of the 16th Non-Aligned Movement Summit in Tehran that Iran (then reeling under sanctions for its nuclear activities) conceded to set up a joint working group to operationalize the port project as part of the trilateral cooperation agreement between Afghanistan, India and Iran on investment cooperation, trade and transit. A key factor behind Iran’s reluctance to allow an Indian presence at Chabahar was the opposition by the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution (the so-called Revolutionary Guards), which reportedly uses the port to ship arms to Yemen and militant groups in the region. For instance, India’s 2011 detention of Nafis 1, a vessel that sailed from Chabahar, on suspicion of carrying arms and ammunition for terrorist groups in Somalia raised the hackles of the Revolutionary Guards.

Second, its strategic significance notwithstanding, the economic viability of the project is suspect. India, which has had trouble raising funds for the project, has so far been able to invest only $85 million to build a couple of berths. While India recently indicated that it was willing to invest up to $20 billion—one of its largest overseas ventures—to develop the port, petrochemical and fertilizer plants in the Chabahar SEZ, it remains to be seen if it can raise the funds.

Moreover, given the presence of Gwadar next door, where China has already invested over $1 billion and committed another $46 billion for the 3,000-km long economic corridor to link Gwadar to Kashgar in Xinjiang province and its One Belt, One Road project, it is unclear whether the Chabahar route will generate enough trade and traffic to justify the investment. In fact, Tehran, which has been playing hardball with India and demanding greater Indian investment in Chabahar, itself plans to invest $4 billion to build a refinery in Gwadar to process 400,000 barrels of oil per day.

Clearly, resolving the Chabahar conundrum is vital to securing India’s interests in Iran and beyond. However, given the challenges in manifesting this project, New Delhi is unlikely to succeed on its own. India might be better off building an international consortium with the likes of Japan and South Korea to invest in the project. Otherwise, the future of India’s interests will remain uncertain.

 

[BATMAN]

So you have no evidence. Good...run along now Amritsari. Don't pollute my thread.

If evidence for you is video of Obama & Khumeni shagging each other... than you are helpless.
Next time mark your thread ''open only for children of Asif Ali Zardari''.

What thefork is this after thought of livemint source ? Is this forking evidence for the children of Asif Ali Zardari?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And your evidence is where exactly? So you're telling me, the US is imposing sanctions on Iran and threatening any country which trades with Iran, but they themselves are funding a port, which the Iranian Revolutionary Guard uses to harass American ships in the Strait of Hormuz?

How dumb are you?

You said it. You know every village has a idiot right? Well every forum has one as well. So according to this genius Americans are sanctioning Iran, even looking for excuse to attack Iran but then at the same time are building roads in Iran. Is there even point in discussing with this level of retardness?

You're dumber than a rock

You have insulted the rocks. Say sorry to them.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I don’t understand why Pakistanis want to take the sides of KSA in their Zionist Jihad against Iran.

Iran is not only our neighbor but share historical, blood ties with us. It’s time for us to stand together.

If Iran gets attacked, Pakistan is most definitely next.

 

[war&peace]

May be we can avail both or perhaps we can avoid both. Details are needs. BTW recently China has shown keen interest in TAPI which in fact will become TAPC ...India is simply out of this project. I don't think China would like to become part of project that is under US control especially when China is spending nearly a trillion dollars to build infrastructure BRI to project its trade in case of a conflict.
However if Iran and Pakistan can negotiate a good deal on IP gas prices (I heard it was quite high) then IP can go also be developed in parallel and we can provide cheap energy to the industry.

I don’t understand why Pakistanis want to take the sides of KSA in their Zionist Jihad against Iran.

Iran is not only our neighbor but share historical, blood ties with us. It’s time for us to stand together.

If Iran gets attacked, Pakistan is most definitely next.

It is not that simple. Remember KBY entered Pakistan from Iran, Uzair Baloch also holds Iraniian citizenship and same goes for Baba Ladla. Furthermore, Iran has a secret defence agreement with India....so everything that glitters is not gold. We have to rise above our sectarian affiliations and think about Pakistan first.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

It is not that simple. Remember KBY entered Pakistan from Iran, Uzair Baloch also holds Iraniian citizenship and same goes for Baba Ladla. Furthermore, Iran has a secret defence agreement with India....so everything that glitters is not gold. We have to rise above our sectarian affiliations and think about Pakistan first.

100% right brother. We should definitely take Iran to account for that.

 

[MBT 3000]

agree Pakistan should forget TAPI and IPI(if it still exists) for IP

 

[Kambojaric]

IP pipeline is clearly the winner between the two. Afghanistan will for the foreseeable future remain unstable as the political leadership in that country still lives in the 16th century. Ghani was their best shot in a mile and he could do jack all to steer the country in the right direction, instead turning it even more into an Indian vassal state (Bhutan style). TAPI and any pipeline that goes through Afghanistan is therefore a complete no go.

Having said that the IP project also remains conspicuous due to US sanctions on Iran. If Pakistan and Iran can get clear Russo Chinese support then we should go ahead with the project no doubt. Ultimately we will need their veto's if matters escalate (which they undoubtedly will) as the US increasingly views accomodation with Iran as an option not even worth thinking about. If Russia and China explicitly become invovled in this project then the IP pipeline is worth thinking about. Otherwise establish more LNG terminals as the number of LNG exporting nations are numerous.

Uncontroversial countries like Malaysia and Indonesia rank amongst the largest exporters of LNG in the world. We can easily enter into deals with such countries to import LNG without running the risk of sanctions in the case of Iran, or disruption due to terrorist attacks in Afghanistan. In fact this is what our government has been doing in recent months (see below).

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1593622/2-pakistans-second-lng-terminal-starts-commercial-operations/
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/29...g-up-3rd-lng-terminal-as-gas-demand-increases

 

[Śakra]

Drop the I in TAPI we won't build any pipeline that goes through p.

 

[Indus Priest King]

Drop the I in TAPI we won't build any pipeline that goes through p.

You think we give a ****?

 

[AyanRay]

You think we give a ****?

Yes you do, the economic viability of any such project just vanishes if India, the largest consumer and investor in both proposed IPI and TAPI steps out.

 

[Kambojaric]

Yes you do, the economic viability of any such project just vanishes if India, the largest consumer and investor in both proposed IPI and TAPI steps out.

Yeah that's why Iran no longer wanted to pursue the IP pipeline after India left. Get over yourself. Turkmenistan actually gets access to LNG terminals on the Arabian Sea and thereby the global market if it gets access to Pakistan.

 

[royalharris]

Guys, how practical would IPC (China) be? It would be a nice way to move Iran into the Pakistan-Chinese camp and stabilize the region.

Iran’s crude oil only take 8% share of Chinese oil inputs, highly replaceable

China USA trade will come an end eventually.
To balance the trade,china will import USA oil in the end.

Too many country’s economic rely heavily on oil exports,oil business have changed from seller’s market to buyer’s market step by step