Iran missile strike successful ,Israel failed to detect missile's warhead separation

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Israel spreads misinformation or failed to identify warhead separation ?


همه موشک‌ها به هدف خورده است/ آنچه در عراق به زمین خورد بدنه جدا شده موشک‌ها بود

فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه گفت: تمامی موشک‌های شلیک شده به سمت مواضع داعش به هدف اصابت کرده است.


به گزارش خبرنگار دفاعی خبرگزاری فارس، سردار امیرعلی حاجی‌زاده فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه پاسداران در حاشیه مراسم شب شعر قیام موشک‌ها که در سازمان هنری رسانه‌ای اوج برگزار شد با حضور در جمع خبرنگاران و در پاسخ به سؤال خبرنگار فارس در خصوص برخی شایعات و اظهارات محافل صهیونیستی در خصوص اینکه برخی موشک‌های شلیک شده سپاه به اهداف نخورده و در مناطق دیگر مثل عراق اصابت کرده است، اظهار داشت: آنچه این افراد به اصطلاح کارشناس از آن نام برده‌اند در واقع بدنه جدا شده موشک‌ها(موتور) بود که در عراق به زمین خورد.

حاجی‌زاده افزود: موشک‌هایی که در این عملیات استفاده کردیم به گونه‌ای است که قبل اصابت به هدف(۱۰۰ کیلومتر مانده به هدف) قسمتی از بدنه جدا شده و سر جنگی به هدف اصابت می‌کند و عملیات طوری طراحی شده بود که این قسمت جدا شده در خاک عراق به زمین می‌خورد.

فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه تأکید کرد: همه موشک‌ها با موفقیت به هدف اصابت کرده است و ما در این خصوص فیلم‌های ضبط شده توسط هواپیماهای بدون سرنشین را نیز منتشر کردیم.

وی همچنین اظهار داشت: جالب است بدانید که 4 دقیقه بعد از اصابت اولین موشک بلافاصله هواپیماهای آمریکایی بر فراز منطقه حضور پیدا کردند و این نشان می‌دهد که عملیات ما یک عملیات عریان بود.

حاجی‌زاده گفت: آمریکایی‌ها از طریق برخی همراهان ما مثلا شاید روس‌ها از این عملیات اطلاع پیدا کرده بودند.

وی تصریح کرد: این حمله موشکی خسارت زیادی به تروریست‌ها وارد کرد که ما به برخی اطلاعات جدید آن دست پیدا کرده‌ایم و ممکن است در آینده هم اخبار بیشتری منتشر شود.

فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه این حمله موشکی را همچنین حامل یک پیام برای حامیان منطقه‌ای تروریست‌ها دانست.

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13960403001701

Jokes on israel ...

"All missiles hit the target, what fell in Iraq was the body of seperated stages of the missiles. Israelis could not detect the missile post seperation and spread misinformation"

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Israelis trying to hide their great failure :

 

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The head of the IRGC aerospace force confirmed that all the missile launches on ISIS were successful. The israeli claimes that some of the missiles "fell" into Iraq was actually them detecting the seperated body of the missile stages. It seems the Israelis could not detect the missiles post stage seperation. It would therefore seem the Israelis due to their lack of capabilities to detect the warheads were spreading misinformation. Or perhaps on purpose. They also claimed the fired missiles were shahab-3's, which turned out to be false, then they claimed some missiles missed their targets, not only were their claims demonstrated to be false using video footage, but it is impossible for them to make such claims to begin with as they simply would not have known what Iran was targeting for them to claim Iran missiles missed their targets. Overall, this was an epic propaganda fail for the Israelis. Furthermore, here their own IDF spokesman just admitted to the success of the Iranian missile hits.

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Separation point :

 

[mohsen]

The good news is that Israeli radars can't detect the missile's warhead.

 

[raptor22]

حاجی‌زاده افزود: موشک‌هایی که در این عملیات استفاده کردیم به گونه‌ای است که قبل اصابت به هدف(۱۰۰ کیلومتر مانده به هدف) قسمتی از بدنه جدا شده و سر جنگی به هدف اصابت می‌کند و عملیات طوری طراحی شده بود که این قسمت جدا شده در خاک عراق به زمین می‌خورد.

Does it mean that we've got them before Americans or any other country?

 

[scimitar19]

Somebody failed to cover their stupidity regarding zionist radar capaillities, they just got exposed their vulnerabilities. Well I'm sure their Iron dome can be called Blind dome.
Either way they will have to admit they were using their propaganda regarding missile strikes at the expense of covering their blatant incompetency in radar field.
Propaganda or ballistic missile defence failure, or perhaps it is both

 

[Blue In Green]

As it stands Israel doesn't have any evidence to say (for that matter no one does) that the strike was a failure. So for now we have to write it off as a poor attempt at misinformation.

Congratulations to the IRGC aerospace forces for making a deadly weapon capable of long reach and good accuracy. Perhaps we will see newer stronger and better generations based off of this design. Personally I would like to see a 1000kg + version if that's even physically attainable.

Iran made military history with this strike.

 

[VEVAK]

As it stands Israel doesn't have any evidence to say (for that matter no one does) that the strike was a failure. So for now we have to write it off as a poor attempt at misinformation.

Congratulations to the IRGC aerospace forces for making a deadly weapon capable of long reach and good accuracy. Perhaps we will see newer stronger and better generations based off of this design. Personally I would like to see a 1000kg + version if that's even physically attainable.

Iran made military history with this strike.

As long as you can hit your target accurately 1000lb is more than plenty! Most US Tomahawks only carry a 700lb warhead!
I wonder if Iran could further increase the range by reducing the warhead to 300kg and adding more room for more fuel by making the terminal stage bigger!

 

[SOHEIL]

Jeering at Israeli Experts, Iran Mocks Reports That Its Missile Strike in Syria Misfired

In this picture released by the Iranian state-run IRIB News Agency on Monday, June 19, 2017, a missile is fired from city of Kermanshah in western Iran targeting the Islamic State group in Syria.

Iranian general claims warheads hit targets, only first-stage engines fell in Iraq

Iran said Sunday the two-stage missiles it fired at Islamic State targets in Syria broke apart over the Iraqi desert as planned, mocking reports that some of the projectiles fell short.

State TV's website quoted the airspace division chief of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh as saying "we had coordinated the fall of the engines in the desert in Iraq" in advance.

"The missiles we used were two-stage, it means that the engine separates from the warhead," said Hajizadeh.

Hajizadeh said U.S. drones hovered over the targets after shortly the Iranian missiles hit them. He said the U.S. may have been informed beforehand about the attack, as they had informed the Russian military, which may have relayed the information to the Americans.

The Guard said it fired six such missiles on Sunday at IS targets in the city of Deir el-Zour, more than 600 kilometers (370 miles) away.

He mocked media reports citing Israeli sources who said some of the missiles fell short of their targets, suggesting that the Israelis were unable to identify two-stage missiles, which are designed to split apart mid-flight.

"Pity those who call themselves experts and do not understand that these were the first-stage engines (that fell), while the warheads hit targets."

Iranian reports said the guard launched six Zolfasghar and Qiam missiles. The latter have detachable warheads.

Iran says it is continuously developing its missile program; a key reason U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has put Iran "on notice".

Iran said the strikes were in retaliation for the attack by five militants linked to the Islamic State group that stormed Iran's parliament and a shrine to revolutionary leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini this month, killing at least 18 people and wounding more than 50.

Iran has long supported Syrian President Bashar Assad in his fight against IS and other extremists groups.

http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/1.797752

 

[Mrc]

This is actually very interesting if indeed Israel failed to detect the separated warhead

 

[PeeD]

A repost from me, this thread is more fitting at the moment:

I don't expect the Israelis to have such low skills to mistake the booster stage of the Zolfaghar for the real missile.

There is a chance that an officer leaked information about the booster landing in Iraq after he saw that the (super-) green pine radar failed to detect the re-entry glide vehicle. Well possible that the leak source was not part of the knowledgeable intelligence assessment group able to interpret such things. Possible that this was done on purpose to create a safe atmosphere for the Israeli public.

There is another thing:

Its much interpretation to know which building was intended to be hit, based on this we can calculate the CEP (the distance to the target in which 50% of the missiles would impact).

Based on this interpreted targets, western sources have calculated a distance of 50m and 150m for the two attacks shown.
CEP is a statistic method but with some tolerance we can say that the CEP of the missiles were about 50m and 150m.

Now comes the question why two attacks were shown and I have a interesting answer to that:
The IRGC-ASF wanted to show the enemies analysts the accuracy of the Zolfaghar and the Qiam with one example each.

The 50m CEP missile is certainly a Zolfaghar with its glide RV coming at a shallow angle.

The 150m CEP missile however is coming at a steep angle, almost vertically and with higher speed. It does not look like the Zolfaghar attack, but would be a ideal example for the 800km range Qiam. Btw, there is no doubt that at least one Qiam was launched too.

Both CEPs are consistent with what was previously estimated for those missiles:
A 50m CEP requires an aerodynamic terminal steering system and is generally the minimum CEP deemed possible by western and eastern state of the art for ballistic missiles without terminal guidance. Its just Iranians and Russians (Iskander-M) which have claimed CEPs below this and this is almost certainly for active terminal guided missiles.

So Irans demonstration for the capabilities of the Zolfaghar was a good one and can be considered whats feasible with current state of the art. An operational demonstration of such a accuracy was never before displayed in world history.

For the Qiam, the results look less impressive: The presumed target remained undamaged. Hence a 50m CEP is the upper limit for a warhead of 500-750kg. At 150m CEP such a warhead is not sufficient anymore for single shot assured destruction.
However, I'm quite sure the IRGC-ASF just wanted to display the CEP of the Qiam by using a single HE warhead. I expect most Qiams in the arsenal to have submunition warheads. The Qiam has no aerodynamic terminal steering system like the Zolfaghar and for such missiles a CEP of 150m is really the minimum. So if the IRGC-ASF would not have had the aim of displaying the CEPs of both missiles to the enemies, at least the Qiam would have used a submunition warhead for such a attack task.

It's well possible that all Zolfaghars had unitary HE warhead because the destructive power against non-hardened targets with a ~600kg warhead and a 50m CEP is deemed sufficient. But if 4 Zolfaghars were launched and two Qiams, the second Qiam (not the one for CEP demonstration) could have used a submunition warhead for better operational effectiveness.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

As it stands Israel doesn't have any evidence to say (for that matter no one does) that the strike was a failure. So for now we have to write it off as a poor attempt at misinformation.

Congratulations to the IRGC aerospace forces for making a deadly weapon capable of long reach and good accuracy. Perhaps we will see newer stronger and better generations based off of this design. Personally I would like to see a 1000kg + version if that's even physically attainable.

Iran made military history with this strike.

Impressive strike indeed for Iran.

Well I'm sure their Iron dome can be called Blind dome.

Israel's Iron Dome is mainly for those home-made unguided rockets being fired from Gaza or Hezbollah. It's much harder to intercept an actual modern missile.

 

[SOHEIL]

Some pictures from tests :

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Israel spreads misinformation or failed to identify warhead separation ?


همه موشک‌ها به هدف خورده است/ آنچه در عراق به زمین خورد بدنه جدا شده موشک‌ها بود

فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه گفت: تمامی موشک‌های شلیک شده به سمت مواضع داعش به هدف اصابت کرده است.


به گزارش خبرنگار دفاعی خبرگزاری فارس، سردار امیرعلی حاجی‌زاده فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه پاسداران در حاشیه مراسم شب شعر قیام موشک‌ها که در سازمان هنری رسانه‌ای اوج برگزار شد با حضور در جمع خبرنگاران و در پاسخ به سؤال خبرنگار فارس در خصوص برخی شایعات و اظهارات محافل صهیونیستی در خصوص اینکه برخی موشک‌های شلیک شده سپاه به اهداف نخورده و در مناطق دیگر مثل عراق اصابت کرده است، اظهار داشت: آنچه این افراد به اصطلاح کارشناس از آن نام برده‌اند در واقع بدنه جدا شده موشک‌ها(موتور) بود که در عراق به زمین خورد.

حاجی‌زاده افزود: موشک‌هایی که در این عملیات استفاده کردیم به گونه‌ای است که قبل اصابت به هدف(۱۰۰ کیلومتر مانده به هدف) قسمتی از بدنه جدا شده و سر جنگی به هدف اصابت می‌کند و عملیات طوری طراحی شده بود که این قسمت جدا شده در خاک عراق به زمین می‌خورد.

فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه تأکید کرد: همه موشک‌ها با موفقیت به هدف اصابت کرده است و ما در این خصوص فیلم‌های ضبط شده توسط هواپیماهای بدون سرنشین را نیز منتشر کردیم.

وی همچنین اظهار داشت: جالب است بدانید که 4 دقیقه بعد از اصابت اولین موشک بلافاصله هواپیماهای آمریکایی بر فراز منطقه حضور پیدا کردند و این نشان می‌دهد که عملیات ما یک عملیات عریان بود.

حاجی‌زاده گفت: آمریکایی‌ها از طریق برخی همراهان ما مثلا شاید روس‌ها از این عملیات اطلاع پیدا کرده بودند.

وی تصریح کرد: این حمله موشکی خسارت زیادی به تروریست‌ها وارد کرد که ما به برخی اطلاعات جدید آن دست پیدا کرده‌ایم و ممکن است در آینده هم اخبار بیشتری منتشر شود.

فرمانده نیروی هوا فضای سپاه این حمله موشکی را همچنین حامل یک پیام برای حامیان منطقه‌ای تروریست‌ها دانست.

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13960403001701

Jokes on israel ...

"All missiles hit the target, what fell in Iraq was the body of seperated stages of the missiles. Israelis could not detect the missile post seperation and spread misinformation"

&

Israelis trying to hide their great failure :

That's because the Israeli radar was too busy targeting small Palestinian babies, children, elderly & other innocent unarmed civilians. They are allergic to fighting against a "real" military.

 

[SOHEIL]

People always underestimate Iran's technological capabilities ...

Look at this for example :





@Arminkh





https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-zulfiqar-missile-revealed.450590/page-3#post-8713779

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@jha



Here you go !

@Syed Asif Bukhari

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@AmirPatriot



Patience

Modernized shahab-2 missile :

 

[AmirPatriot]

Some pictures from tests :

There's my crude pausing and paint skills again I was looking for this earlier and couldn't find it myself, can you give the link to my post?

@mohsen remember world's best sniper