Interceptor spot on, though without blast: DRDO

[sincity]

Were you born an imbecile? The missile did not have an HE warhead to explode. It was to test the on-board IR seeker. And for your information, IR seekers are not meant to explode! They are part of the guidance system.

So don't start getting premature orgasms just yet.

I'm definitely not born in the dirt poor India that for sure, **** the rest of your mumbo jumbo on IR seeker not mean to explode a big load of dog cum, your missile interceptor fail to destroy the incoming missile and call it a partial success. Even the US missile interceptor can only successive kill off the missile 3 out of ten tried, I don't think your Indian engineering a world class scientist that can have a better odd to killed every missiles with their missiles interceptor trail test compare to the US DoD they been working on the missile interceptor for over 20 yrs.

Indian stroke their ego with a success of the function with the tracking device on their missiles interceptor if that actually even work, probably the system couldn't explode in midair because of curry was used in place of the explosive, who the **** ever know.

 

[Indus Falcon]

partial congratulate!

LOL!! Good one

 

[he-man]

Oh yeah,and what were the systems offered by other competing countries which The Chinese are claiming their HQ 9 won against??Lets take a look now,shall we??

1.The Russians were offering their S 300PMU dating back from around 1978 or 79!!Quite obviously they were eliminated.

2.Now lets take a look at the Americans who came at third.Their Raytheon and Lockheed Martin offered their Patriot Advanced Capability 3.Again a dated design with a somewhat dubious reputation even against ancient Iraqi Scud Bs.

3.Now lets come to the Europeans who came out second in the competition.Their Eurosam offered its Aster 30.It's a very capable and lightweight system with an unexpectedly higher range for its weight,but still it has shortest range and maximum altitude (at 120 km and ~20 km respectively) among the 4 competing systems.And the Turkish were specifically looking for a long range air defence system.
Beside,just like any other European systems,they are the costliest.

Now coming to the Chinese HQ 9 option,well it's more modern compared to what the Russians and Americans were offering.
According to the reports,the Chinese HQ 9 umderbidded the next lowest bidder (presumably the American PAC 3) by at least over half a billion to a billion dollar!!Now do the math.

Besides,the Chinese can offer a much more generous ToT than the others.
All these reasons made sure the Chinese to win the competition.

But world is not simply black and white,there is also a grey area in between.The Chinese winning the competition doesn't automatically transform the HQ 9 into a better missile defence system than the latest Russian or American or European systems!!They won due to a variety of reasons;but being the best was certainly not one of them.

And coming to upgrading or modifying the S 300 or any other system for that matter........modification can only get you that far.No matter how much you modify for example a S 300PMU2 missile round you can not increase its target interception altitude to 150 km or increase its speed to ~Mach 6 from Mach 4.Not without drastic design changes,which will turn it into a system altogether,which means you have to again rigorously test launch it over the years and you have to rework on its target interception algorithms - something that would be hardly economical.


Again,it's not true that Indian BMD system can not compete the Russian ones in terms of mobility.Why not??After all the missil launchers are mounted on Tatra or Tata heavy-duty trailers,so mobility shouldn't be that big a problem.

And coming to the radars,it's debatable when it comes to ground based AESA radars (and even AEW&CS ones as well),especially after this year's Defexpo where LRDE showcased variety of its latest ground based radars.

They are better in radars and way better in mobility.
We are yet to develop large scale canisters.

Plus majority of our radars are tot from israel,so competition ends right here

 

[Indus Falcon]

Plus majority of our radars are tot from israel,so competition ends right here

COmpetition ended when a DRDO BMD system interceptor did not intercept, hence becoming a tourist, just passing by
Keep up the good work DRDO

Who says brainfarts are any less funny.

Looks like DAVE works at DRDO!

 

[sincity]

fired a dud missisle interceptor with a tracking device will surely kill off the target missiles. Indian engineering come up with a genius idea.

 

[Omega007]

@Arun666 At the end of the day, interceptor vehicles are only one component of a BMD. And trust me the interceptors are the cheaper part albeit quite complex in their own right. The expensive and tricky bit is establishing a proper early warning and tracking system.

Furthermore, no BMD will protect us from the ground launched cruise missiles and LACMs which might come our way. That requires an ability to track over land and over sea CMs (which requires persistent AEW&C cover from platforms which have sufficient operational availability and ETOS) and a more distributed plus mobile interception system package (interceptors which are canister contained and carried around on vehicles with adequate mobility).

*ETOS- estimated time on station.
*LACM- land attack cruise missile

Well it's a moot point,ain't it??I mean the BMD itself is quite self-explanatory.BMDS or Ballistic Missile Defence System.So obviously it would need specialised heavier high speed interceptors with higher target interception altitudes.The radars also have to have a higher lookout/detection altitudes due to the very high apogee and extremely fast re-entry velocity of Ballistic Missile RVs.

And due to these reasons,a dedicated BMD won't do any good against inbound LACM which employs totally different flight trajectory and can use terrain hugging/masking flight profiles to fool the radars.So for setting up a Cruise Missile Defence system,one has to deploy more AWACS and low level surveillance radars along with totally different kinds of interceptors.For this purpose,one needs deploy quick reaction ESHORADS which have to be mounted on highly mobile platforms,missile rounds have to be smaller,lighter and has to be able to sustain a much greater lateral acceleration than a Ballistic Missile interceptor.

And farther more,for a CMDS to be effective,one has to deploy a very sensitive surveillance infrastructure on ground and deploying just radars won't cut it.One also has to deploy a series combined passive Radar and Laser fact fingerprinting devices like Divya Dristi or Vera E to be able to pick up returns from radar/laser altimeters used in LACMs for their TERCOM and terrain collision avoidance system.

 

[Indus Falcon]

fired a dud missisle interceptor with a tracking device will surely kill off the target missiles. Indian engineering come up with a genius idea.

The idea was to scare the incoming missile. Guess missiles don't get scared easily

 

[he-man]

COmpetition ended when a DRDO BMD system interceptor did not intercept, hence becoming a tourist, just passing by
Keep up the good work DRDO


Looks like DAVE works at DRDO!

I pity people like u trolling at a serious discussion.

A nation that cannot launch 1 kg satellite on its own should remain mum about tech of other nations

 

[Dillinger]

@Oscar Despite repeatedly explaining the details involved it seems that the thread will not remain clean. It is frankly a rather tiring thing, to have to educate each and every poster individually. Not that the thread requires clean up, yet.

 

[Indus Falcon]

I pity people like u trolling at a serious discussion.

A nation that cannot launch 1 kg satellite on its own should remain mum about tech of other nations

IF that is the case why are you even on a Pakistani Defence Forum?

 

[Omega007]

They are better in radars and way better in mobility.
We are yet to develop large scale canisters.

Plus majority of our radars are tot from israel,so competition ends right here

All you could come up with this in reply to post and nothing to back up your claims.I give up.There is simply nothing to argue with you.

Well,you are entitled to your opinions and lets leave it at that.

 

[Indus Falcon]

@Oscar Despite repeatedly explaining the details involved it seems that the thread will not remain clean. It is frankly a rather tiring thing, to have to educate each and every poster individually. Not that the thread requires clean up, yet.

Dear Oscar, kindly delete this useless chest thumping thread. Thank You!

 

[sincity]

The idea was to scare the incoming missile. Guess missiles don't get scared easily

The missile interceptor only mean to explode with curry powder, I guess you can say missiles pact with curry powder couldn't scare off the incoming missiles warhead.

 

[Omega007]

DRDO Zindabad!

For once try to see the things without the spectacle of your hatred for India.Trust me,it won't feel that bad.

 

[he-man]

All you could come up with this in reply to post and nothing to back up your claims.I give up.There is simply nothing to argue with you.

Well,you are entitled to your opinions and lets leave it at that.

I am sorry yaar.
Normally I counter properly but I am currently operating from a cellphone so its impossible to search properly.

But its a fact that even the green pine radar used in bmd is israeli.
I am not sure about the l-star of aew&c.

Once again am sorry,i just can't search and counter nowadays