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The aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, formerly the Admiral Gorshkov, which is expected to join the Indian Navy later this year, is already late by 5 years and its price has risen three-fold from $947 million in 2004 to $2.3 billion today. It now emerges that for the next 3 years or so, INS Vikramaditya will function without effective defences against anti-ship missiles --- a key threat to warships today.

For this the Russians are not to blame --- the Israelis are. The futuristic missile defence system that was supposed to be fitted on the Vikramaditya, called the Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM), is also late by at least 3 years. The LR-SAM is a missile, fired from a warship to shoot down an incoming anti-ship missiles at ranges out to 70 kilometres. Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) is developing the LR-SAM in partnership with the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO).

On Thursday, Vice Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral RK Dhowan, said in New Delhi that the Vikramaditya would arrive without a 'close in weapons system' (CIWS, pronounced sea-whiz), a ship-borne system to destroy incoming missiles and aircraft. The navy will fit an AK-630 rapid-fire gun system on the Vikramaditya when it arrives, but the more potent LR-SAM will only be fitted during the aircraft carrier’s first refit. That would be at least three years down the line.

Given these continuing delays, the navy’s ageing INS Virat --- already half a century old --- will continue in service till 2018. The INS Vikrant, the aircraft carrier that is being built in Cochin Shipyard Ltd, is being launched on Aug 12, but will only enter operational service by end-2018, says Dhowan.

The LR-SAM was to be ready by 2011 for equipping three Indian destroyers that Mazagon Dock Ltd is building in Mumbai under the so-called Project 15A. The LR-SAM delay has held up Project 15A, with INS Kolkata, the first warship in this series, having floating in the docks for the last seven years. INS Chennai and INS Kochi, the other two destroyers in Project 15A are delayed too.

But there is light at the end of this tunnel. Business Standard has learnt that a DRDO team is heading for Israel for the first 'hot test' of the LR-SAM this month. This will check out all the missile systems --- detection, propulsion, guidance, command and control --- functioning in tandem. While the radar, control and navigation systems were tested last year, this will be the first test of the entire system functioning together.

Says DRDO chief, Dr Avinash Chander, 'The crucial part of the test will be the missile’s ability to perform manoeuvres. After this full-configuration test, we will carry out trials next year from a ship.'

'There are always uncertainties when one is developing a system of a technology class that exists nowhere in the world.'

In exclusive briefings at the DRDO’s missile cluster in Hyderabad, Business Standard was told that the Israeli company is developing the front section of the LR-SAM, including the seeker head that guides the missile, the front controller, command electronics, and the explosive warhead that destroys the target.

The DRDO has developed the rear section, including the two-pulse rocket motor, the rear controller, the thrust vector control and the folded fins. DRDO scientists and designers have also participated in the Israeli part of the development.

The LR-SAM is made especially deadly by its two-pulse rocket motor. The first pulse propels the missile towards the incoming target; while a ship-borne radar tracks the enemy missile continuously, transmitting course corrections to the LR-SAM. When the LR-SAM is near the target, its seeker locks onto the target, taking on the job of guidance. Simultaneously, the rocket motor fires its second pulse, imparting to the LR-SAM a high velocity that leaves the target with little time to manoeuvre. The LR-SAM has both front and rear steering, which allows it to manoeuvre sharply, remaining locked onto even a twisting and turning target.

Once tested and proven, many LR-SAM components will be built in India. The DRDO says it has developed suppliers within Indian industry, with two vendors developed for each sub-system. For example, Godrej and SEC, a company in Hyderabad, will build the two-pulse rocket motor.

A ground-based version of the LR-SAM is simultaneously being developed for the Indian Air Force (IAF), which is desperately short of air defence systems.

INS Vikramaditya, already 5 years late, to wait 3 years more for anti-missile defence system | Business Standard :what:

Sounds like this is a bad deal, afterall...
 
Guys this is confusing. is LR-SAM any different from barak 8? They both seem to have 70 KM range, so I guess not.

And there is news in Israeli media that they have started production of Barak 8.

Will it take 3 years for the system to be available and installed? And if so, that will not only affect Vicky but many other modern ships like the kolkatta class etc too.

Something doesn't add up here.
 
Nothing new. I think people here knew it already!!
 
Guys this is confusing. is LR-SAM any different from barak 8? They both seem to have 70 KM range, so I guess not.

And there is news in Israeli media that they have started production of Barak 8.

Will it take 3 years for the system to be available and installed? And if so, that will not only affect Vicky but many other modern ships like the kolkatta class etc too.

Something doesn't add up here.

Production of the missile has started. User validation and then Installation of the systems will then have to be carried out. The initial production line will not be at a tearing pace. So the ships will get outfitted in order of delivery and precedence. The Kolkatas first, the Vikramiditya later. Maybe even after the Kamortas. They are in queue too.

But by that time the production line will rev up; the deliveries will speed up. Even co-production at two locations will commence. The picture will not remain static and unchanging.
The Indian Navy will be a bigger customer than the Israeli Navy for certain. Think into the future.
 
Is that so?
It will be so if the IN has to go to war in the next 3 years.

I don't claim to be an expert on this. But this below thing makes one wonder whether the whole deal is honest enough?


is already late by 5 years and its price has risen three-fold from $947 million in 2004 to $2.3 billion today. It now emerges that for the next 3 years or so, INS Vikramaditya will function without effective defences against anti-ship missiles --- a key threat to warships today.
 
Production of the missile has started. User validation and then Installation of the systems will then have to be carried out. The initial production line will not be at a tearing pace. So the ships will get outfitted in order of delivery and precedence. The Kolkatas first, the Vikramiditya later. Maybe even after the Kamortas. They are in queue too.

But by that time the production line will rev up; the deliveries will speed up. Even co-production at two locations will commence. The picture will not remain static and unchanging.
The Indian Navy will be a bigger customer than the Israeli Navy for certain. Think into the future.

So you are saying it will NOT take three years?

Sorry for pushing for a simple answer. I think as far as the communication part of project management is concerned, the disseminated information has to be simple and realistic. And this is where our babus who run defence projects have screwed up far too many times. They can't hide under the ''this is very technical stuff not for common people to understand'' excuse as they themselves flock to TV cameras and reporters in their greed of publicity.
 
I don't claim to be an expert on this. But this below thing makes one wonder whether the whole deal is honest enough?

Just think a little bit more. The Carrier will never function as an autonomous unit. It will be the nucleus of a CBG accompanied by a screen of accompanying ships which will in fact provide a good bit of the defences whether anti ship missile or even anti sub weapons. This will be apart from the defences provided organically by the Carrier's own air wing. The Anti missile defences when fully installed and operational will be another line of defence; may be even the 'last line' not the 'first line'. So it is not disatrous.
 
So you are saying it will NOT take three years?

Sorry for pushing for a simple answer. I think as far as the communication part of project management is concerned, the disseminated information has to be simple and realistic. And this is where our babus who run defence projects have screwed up far too many times. They can't hide under the ''this is very technical stuff not for common people to understand'' excuse as they themselves flock to TV cameras and reporters in their greed of publicity.

I am not saying that it will not be 3 years for the Vikramaditya. It will not be anywhere near 3 years for the Fleet roll-out of the Barak LR-SAM system as my post sought to explain.
Vikramaditya will likely have to wait her turn to get the installation. For that she will need to go into refit. Since she will be already operational. The others are ready and waiting for installation pre-commissioning.

How does it impact Vikramaditya?
Not too much really; as I've explained in the reply to @JanjaWeed above.
Also remember that Barak 1s and the Shtils are already up and running on IN ships that can operate as Vikramaditya's Screen as soon as she comes to Indian waters. So that will help to bring some perspective to the news report above. Though the Barak 8 is behind schedule.

Btw; does anybody want to tell us what are the Anti-Missile systems organically (ie installed on) built into the American Super Carriers? Do not count Screening ships or aircraft into that :)
 
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Just think a little bit more. The Carrier will never function as an autonomous unit. It will be the nucleus of a CBG accompanied by a screen of accompanying ships which will in fact provide a good bit of the defences whether anti ship missile or even anti sub weapons. This will be apart from the defences provided organically by the Carrier's own air wing. The Anti missile defences when fully installed and operational will be another line of defence; may be even the 'last line' not the 'first line'. So it is not disatrous.

that explains... couple of tins of Spinach just for that! Enjoy..:cheers:

 
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