Indus civilization and the test of behavioural resemblance

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Let's compare the psyche and nature (P&N) of current inhabitants of Indus region, the P&N of Indus inhabitants of historic times and P&N of Bharatis.

I call this comparison as the test of behavioral resemblance. In some aspects, Pakistanis resemble closely with the Indus people of historic times while in other aspects, Bharatis are more similar to that hypothetical community which resided in Indus during ancient times.

I am pondering over this theory with an unbiased and impartial mindset. So let's start with the point favoring Pakistanis.

• Now that king Porus and his army are so reminiscent of Pakistanis – resilient, courageous, determined and terrific warriors. This gives reasons to believe that indeed today's Pakistanis are descendants of IVC dwellers. It has been elaborated in the below quote.

Porus or Poros (from the Greek Πῶρος, Pôros), was a king of the Pauravas whose territory in Ancient Punjab spanned the region between the Hydaspes (Jhelum) and Acesines (Chenab) rivers in what is now the Punjab. Porus fought against Alexander the Great in the Battle of the Hydaspes, thought to be fought at the site of modern-day Mong, Punjab. Alexander was however greatly impressed by his adversary and not only reinstated him as a satrap of his own kingdom but also granted him dominion over lands to the south-east extending until the Hyphasis (Beas).

Alexander entered India in 327 BC, encountering some of the toughest fighting of his career in the crossing. None of the Greeks had ever encountered anything to prepare them for India. The terrain, the monsoons, the fierce tribes, all combined with the long years of campaigning had taken some of the heart out of the Macedonians. In June 326 BC Alexander fought his last great battle on the left bank of the Hydaspes against Porus, one of the most powerful Indian kings. Porus was powerful both as a man and as a king. He stood seven feet tall, a widely feared ruler and warrior.

• Silk Road transmission of Buddhism: Buddhism was brought to China via the Silk Road. Buddhist monks travelled with merchant caravans on the Silk Road, to preach their new religion.

Now this developments sound more like Bharti than Pakistani. I have not heard of modern Pakistani monks proselytising in this "non-violent" style. It is Bharati style. You don't believe me? Let me state an example.

Abhay Charanaravinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada was a Gaudiya Vaishnava spiritual teacher (guru) and the founder preceptor (acharya) of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), commonly known as the "Hare Krishna Movement".

When he sailed to the United States in 1965, his trip was not sponsored by any religious organization, nor was he met upon arrival by a group of loyal followers. As the Indian freighter Jaladuta neared his destination, the magnitude of his intended task weighed on him. On 13 September he wrote in his diary, "Today I have disclosed my mind to my companion, Lord Sri Krishna." On this occasion and on a number of others, he called on Krishna for help in his native Bengali. Examining these compositions, academics regard them as "intimate records of his prayerful preparation for what lay ahead" and a view on "how Bhaktivedanta Swami understood his own identity and mission."

He has been described as a charismatic leader, in the sense used by sociologist Max Weber, as he was successful in acquiring followers in the United States, Europe, India and elsewhere.

My point is that just as children are physically and mentally similar to their parents, the current generation too should be similar to the ancestors. Descendants should be similar to earlier generations.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@Kaptaan @django @Talwar e Pakistan

 

[django]

@Kaptaan @django @Talwar e Pakistan

You seriously expect me to comment on the absurd drivel you have just posted

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

You are starting to make little to no sense. I have invalidated your arguments multiple times while you continue to despairingly attempt to squint for any 'connections' towards the Indus in order to make completely unrelated vain attempts to associate yourself and bharatis to the Indus; it's people, history, culture and heritage. I'm tired of repeating myself only to see you changing and dodging topics in order to avoid factual reasoning.

So I will repeat what I said in the previous thread.
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It is preposterous to suggest that during such a long period of 5000 years, only negligible degree of mass movement of people took place from either Indus region towards the East or from East towards the Indus or from far West towards Indus region.

and how did you come up with this assumption

your hindutva fairytales have been debunked over and over yet you still cling onto these stories in attempt to associate yourselves with our culture, ethnicities and heritage while you are ashamed of your own.

Just look at genetics for example
Pakistanis to these day retain the Harappan Haplogroup

There is no gene-flow towards India which indicates there was no serious migration. The only major migration that took place was towards the West not to the East (India). R1 is thought to have originated in Northern Pakistan and spread to Central Asia and then Western Europe. It's also one of the reasons why Punjabis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris, and far North Pakistanis share very close physical features with Europeans.

People within the Indus Basin form a distinct and a genetically compact 'race'.

A case in point is the location of Brahui community. Brahui language is said to be a Dravidian language. How did it end up as far as Pakistani Baluchistan, Iranian Baluchistan and Afghanistan?

You can ask them yourself and they'll tell you that they migrated during Mughal Era. Even some of their clan names are based off of South Indian cities. Genetically, they are nowhere near close Indians.

Amusing to see Pakistani try so hard to deny their Indic roots. Isn't Lahore named after the son of Lord Ram?

It's pathetic to see that you deny your Ganga roots and in shame you try to claim the Indus.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@Levina @jbgt90 @Razia Sultana

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@Kashmiri Pandit @Soumitra

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

@Max @Arbiter @Chinese-Dragon

@somebozo

 

[Sugarcane]

I heard in a bollywood movie India shifted all the people of Mohinjodaro to ganga, make couple of more movies to transfer all the people of Harapa, Texila and Mehargarh to ganga as well and close the chapter.

 

[Max]

@Max @Arbiter @Chinese-Dragon

@somebozo

 

[Kabira]

bharati style?
sikh genocide

muslim genocide Gujarat

on going IoK genocide of muslims

 

[Whirling_dervesh]

yawn.....why oh why are bharatis so desperate to claim our heritage, be satisfied with what you have and move on. you have the nandas and the mauryas, marathas etc enjoy your own history, do not covet that which does not belong to you!

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

bharati style?
sikh genocide

muslim genocide Gujarat

on going IoK genocide of muslims

bharati style?
sikh genocide

muslim genocide Gujarat

on going IoK genocide of muslims

Did you forget rapes and acid attacks on women for spurning marriage proposal or sexual advances? But then I believe that ancient people of Indus too indulged in a lot of copulations.

 

[Jackdaws]

You are starting to make little to no sense. I have invalidated your arguments multiple times while you continue to despairingly attempt to squint for any 'connections' towards the Indus in order to make completely unrelated vain attempts to associate yourself and bharatis to the Indus; it's people, history, culture and heritage. I'm tired of repeating myself only to see you changing and dodging topics in order to avoid factual reasoning.

So I will repeat what I said in the previous thread.
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and how did you come up with this assumption




It's pathetic to see that you deny your Ganga roots and in shame you try to claim the Indus.
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I haven't said anything on this thread so I was wondering how I got quoted. Claim the Indus? Lol - considering it passes through India, I wonder why not? Just like Brits can't claim the Roman Empire based on some Roman remains in the UK, the Pakistanis should have some sense of self-respect and stop claiming a civilization with which they have no ties.

 

[Indika]

You seriously expect me to comment on the absurd drivel you have just posted

u know ur the lucky one when .

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

IVC ate beef and buried their dead.

IVC was a peaceful civilization who were known for their hospitality
indians are the most xenophobic people in the history of mankind.

IVC traded with mesopotamia
indians are know for their hatred of middle east

1. Me and my family have been traditionally vegetarian. We don't eat even eggs.

2. But our rituals too are to bury the mortal remains.