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Indonesia gets US nod for F-15 and F-18 fighter jet purchases

Due to CAATSA mostly, although formally the contract has not been cancelled..



If it's F-15E/EX than yeah it certainly is better.. but if it's just EDA F-15C/D ex desert stock, then Rafale and/or SU-35 is still much better...

Also note that this offer is being made under a US administration that is seeing its last days... who knows whether the democrat administration under Biden will agree to it... just like whether the UAE F-35 deal will still go through under Biden...
they're pushing the contract to be signed before the end of the year. let's see about that. if let's say Biden admin has a change of heart, there's always the humble French:azn:
 
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since the Su-35 rolled out in 2011,

since then it's still uses PESA, while the F-15E variants had already uses AESA
also Russian weapons choice like smart bombs, EO pod , stand off munitions are less advanced than that of the US,

2011 is pretty recent, and I'm sure upgrades/integration can occur. Being inferior also doesn't make it antiquated.

But yes, the F-15 is probably a better choice for Indonesia.
 
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2011 is pretty recent, and I'm sure upgrades/integration can occur. Being inferior also doesn't make it antiquated.

But yes, the F-15 is probably a better choice for Indonesia.
could you please point me the upgrades???
 
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Well, every aircraft can undergo them. Flankers included.
well I've just realized that a ME-262 from ww2 could be upgraded too.
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Indonesia gets US nod for F-15 and F-18 fighter jet purchases
Verbal agreement was made at meeting this week, defense official says
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Two F-15 jets from the 125th Fighter Wing of the Florida Air National Guard perform a flyover on May 13, in Orlando, Florida. © AP
ERWIDA MAULIA, Nikkei staff writerDecember 9, 2020 20:52 JST
JAKARTA -- The U.S. has indicated it will sell F-15 and F-18 fighter jets to Indonesia following months of meetings between top defense officials from the two countries, according to a defense official in Jakarta.
U.S. Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller was in Jakarta on Monday and Tuesday to meet with Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto. During those meetings, Miller agreed to sell the two models of fighter jets to Indonesia, which has long wanted to upgrade from its aging F-16 fleet.
Top of Miller's agenda was the South China Sea, a water where many territorial claims overlap and where China has built military bases. His visit follows Washington's lifting in October of a two-decade entry ban on Subianto over past allegations of human rights violations, allowing him to hold high-level talks with Pentagon officials.

But warming relations between the two countries has put Beijing on edge, according to Rodon Pedrason, director-general of defense strategy at Indonesia's Defense Ministry.
"They asked, 'Why did you accept them?' To which we responded diplomatically. We don't want either China or the U.S. to feel neglected," Pedrason said in a webinar on Tuesday.
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Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto, left, walks with acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller as they inspect guards during a meeting in Jakarta on Dec. 7. © AP
Miller also met with Indonesian Military Commander Hadi Tjahjanto and discussed plans to step up training between the two forces.
"The secretary emphasized the importance the [U.S] department of defense places on the bilateral partnership and in securing a free and open South China Sea and Indo-Pacific region," the U.S. embassy said in a press release.
Pedrason said there had been some concerns that U.S. policy might change under Joe Biden, who will be sworn into office as president next month, although he reckoned that Washington would not renege on signed deals.
"It is just a matter of how ready we are to provide the budget," he said. For now, no agreement has been signed.
Indonesia has been pushing the U.S. to sell it F-15, F-18 and F-35 fighter jets, but finally agreed on only two models as the third could take up to 10 years to deliver, Pedrason said. The F-15s and F-18s are manufactured by U.S. aerospace companies McDonnell Douglas and Boeing.
Major powers such as France, Britain, Germany and NATO have also approached Indonesia lately to discuss the South China Sea. Pedrason said Subianto is slated to visit Britain early next year, after having made more than 20 visits over the past year in search for good armament deals, including in France, Russia, Turkey and China.
Manila will be Miller's next stop, after which he will head to Hawaii, from where he will attend a virtual meeting of defense ministers of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations and the bloc's partners.
Pedrason said the defense ministry under Subianto has a grand plan of procuring more than 100 superior fighter jets, to add to Indonesia's current fleet of less than 60. "We'll have around 170 fighter jets at the end of it. Extraordinary," Pedrason said.
He did not say when the ministry hopes to achieve that target, but added Indonesia hopes to make available between $9 billion and $11 billion for new weaponry and military equipment over the next 20 years. He said Indonesia was also planning to take soft-loan offers from countries like France, Turkey, China and Russia.
As the deal for the new fighter jets could take years to come to fruition, Indonesia is planning to buy used aircraft such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, which can be delivered much sooner. Previous reports said Subianto was interested in purchasing 15 such aircraft from Austria.
But Pedrason said the plan was only a stopgap.
"It is most urgent for us now to have weaponry that can balance [the power] against red dot countries near us," he added, citing not just the South China Sea but also Indonesia's older border disputes with neighboring Malaysia and Singapore.
Pedrason said the defense ministry is also planning to buy new models of military transport aircraft Hercules, C130J and C130H, manufactured by Lockheed Martin, as well as more submarines and patrol vessels. He added the ministry was planning to train up to 300 fighter jet pilots and around 100 pilots for Hercules over the next two years.
Additional reporting by Ismi Damayanti. \




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I hope we get a good deal with the US, a strong Indonesia will be a vanguard of peace and stability in the region against the bully.
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Waste of money. World is moving to 5th gen
 
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F-15 lack the agility of Rafale, it may have the range and payload but it's hardly capable of air superiority in a dogfight against Rafale/ J-10.

The F-15 can reach altitudes, speeds and endurance only surpassed by the F-22 in USAF.
For air superiority missions you don't need agility.
You need to zoom climb, have the best radar and lot and lots of AAMs (22 missiles),
 
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We'll have to see what F-15s are actually being offered here, and at what cost (+ benefit)... I feel that the F-15s offered, even it it's not the latest EX model, would at least have to be comparable to the RSAF F-15SG in spec for it to gain the interest of our MoD... afterall the article mentions that "It is most urgent for us now to have weaponry that can balance [the power] against red dot countries near us," .
 
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The F-15 can reach altitudes, speeds and endurance only surpassed by the F-22 in USAF.
For air superiority missions you don't need agility.
You need to zoom climb, have the best radar and lot and lots of AAMs (22 missiles),


Speaking of AAMs, can’t wait for the AIM-260 to debut.:D
 
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Speaking of AAMs, can’t wait for the AIM-260 to debut.:D

Yes its coming in 2022 personally I think its overkill.
The US already has three alternatives motors to extend the range of existing AMRAAMs to Meteor levels or higher - if needed.
VFDR, SFRJ and a third one co-developed with France - but the need was never felt.
 
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Yes its coming in 2022 personally I think its overkill.
The US already has three alternatives motors to extend the range of existing AMRAAMs to Meteor levels or higher - if needed.
VFDR, SFRJ and a third one co-developed with France - but the need was never felt.


The range is still much bellow PL15.
The F-15 can reach altitudes, speeds and endurance only surpassed by the F-22 in USAF.
For air superiority missions you don't need agility.
You need to zoom climb, have the best radar and lot and lots of AAMs (22 missiles),

F-15 is better in range, maneuverability, endurance, altitude, but worse in agility and especially RCS compared to Rafale/EF2K and J-10C, and it's opponent like J-10C and J-16 carry PL15 that is surpassing all AAM that F-15 carry in term of range.
Waste of money. World is moving to 5th gen


The option is only F-35, and to get it is difficult presently except you are US ally.
 
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