Indonesia Defence Forum

[UMNOPutra]

Well Im done being nice to them. Most of you prolly miss it, but if you looking closely at their political leaders speech on how they put Indonesia as inferior nation/race when they comparing the two nations you might get the idea. I just dont get it, their govt even worried when Malaysian people fancy Indonesian artists more then their own. Long long time ago I even heard about how they try to limit how many Indonesian songs can be played in one Radio station per day

Another "back then" event was how their former PM "bragged" about having scorpene and told us not to worry, the funny party is we didnt even made any statement regarding them having the subs. All my life I never seen Indonesia making a formal statement about our own neighbor defense procurement even if its consider a big purchase, its just not us.

So I have the tendency to reply "serumpun my ***" whenever I hear/read the word serumpun
I dont hate the people, I hate their govt policy and how their intention to make their people think that they are Superior Melayu by "down grading" us...

Sorry for our late responses for this important issues ..

The concept of "Saudara Serumpun" can be explained as follows ... We (Malaysia and Indonesia) are actually "One Big Family" because are living in the same archipelago (Malay Archipelago) and we have also similarity (in physical and culture) .. called it "Bangsa Melayu"

Ideally.. we should be established "One Nation" ......Negara Melayu Nusantara

For us ...The most important implication of the concept of "Saudara Serumpun" is ... "Yours are Ours .. and... Ours are Yours" .... " Hak MIlik Kamu (semua aspek budaya dan warisan sejarah Indonesia) adalah juga Milik Kami (Malaysia) .. dan .. begitu Juga sebalknya ... Hak Milik Kami (Malaysia) adalah juga Milik Indonesia" ...

So ... Jangan lagi ribot dan begaduh lagi ... We are not Superior ... We did not downgrade you ...We are actually "Equal" with you .... Adek want to (and should be) live peacefully with you (Abang dan Kakak-Kakak kami semua) . ..

 

[NEKONEKO]

Will it be equipped with harpoon?
Old or new F16.

 

[Nike]

Will it be equipped with harpoon?
Old or new F16.

I don't think we need Harpoon , on other hand sourced a more credible air launched AShM like JSM instead

 

[umigami]

" At least " 16 units for retire or EDA F-16s, that number can increase

Those EDA will be transferred as it is or upgraded first?
If upgraded, block 72 or 52 ??

 

[Cromwell]

If interim programme can be implemented our Air Force will be a different beast in the region, you are talking about a true 180 fourth generation fighter

South China Sea is a hostile hotzone, my colleagues in Foreign Office told me things would degrade from bad to worse in years to come, we need " teeth " to maintain our interests

 

[Cromwell]

I'm a bit caught in two minds on this. On one hand, the birds from the 309th AMARG will have low-hours on their airframe, on the other hand, I feel the RNoAF F-16's is more capable. as unlike our "block 52ID" falcons, the RNoAF block 20 MLUs is probably a lot closer to USAF's block 50 (minus the AN/APG-68) but with higher hours on the airframe.

Last I read they plan to keep their F-16 flying at low-rate until 2021

Mouthwatering prospect indeed. Hopefully our human resources able to keep up.

They already too worn out, most of the airframes already close to 10,000 hours. Better getting something from 309th, at least newer series with lower flight hours and them have them to eMLU programme

 

[Cromwell]

Those EDA will be transferred as it is or upgraded first?
If upgraded, block 72 or 52 ??

More or less closer to Block 52 actually.

 

[NEKONEKO]

South China Sea is a hostile hotzone, my colleagues in Foreign Office told me things would degrade from bad to worse in years to come, we need " teeth " to maintain our interests

We need more than just MEF.

For Australia that is quite far away they are already gearing up, we need to do more than our current pace.

 

[kooppyyy]

We need more than just MEF.

For Australia that is quite far away they are already gearing up, we need to do more than our current pace.

I agree, tapi tenang, there's an old adage in formil "semua akan indah pada waktunya" wkwkwkw. We need to do this right, step-by-step. and at a pace, we've previously learned the hard way in the '60s if we rushed these kinds of things. Beberapa proyek besar Australia juga lagi jalan di tempat kok.

They already too worn out, most of the airframes already close to 10,000 hours. Better getting something from 309th, at least newer series with lower flight hours and them have them to eMLU programme

Now, this I can agree with. As long as it's an actual eMLU program, not just refurbishment program ala block 52ID.

 

[Cromwell]

Roadmap of PT.Pindad Products

 

[Nike]

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Roadmap of PT.Pindad Products

Love to see they started to paying attention for Anti armor

 

[Cromwell]

Love to see they started to paying attention for Anti armor

Anti armor & SHORAD should've been put into priority, if we want to catch missile technology

 

[Gundala]

South China Sea is a hostile hotzone, my colleagues in Foreign Office told me things would degrade from bad to worse in years to come, we need " teeth " to maintain our interests

I think so. From 2020-2025 its going to be warm, 2025-2030 will be much hotter. 2030 onward if the region failed to balance their power then its going to get much worst.

More or less closer to Block 52 actually.

Yea I guess its not going to be Viper upgrade. But having 4 SKA of block 52id will be great logistically and operationally as its going to be the workhorse. As for Viper; I would rather buy them brand new because the pace of avionic technology development is running at fast speed as the computer/chip/technology is somewhat in progress of making a break thru. The development of AI / drone have push the "super computer" development even further.

From Life Cycle Cost stand point it would be wise to get a brand new VIper to be ready for future upgrade and let the "pre-loved" 52id block do the ronda duty

 

[Raduga]

Anti armor & SHORAD should've been put into priority, if we want to catch missile technology

where's the manpads on the roadmap though , i didn't see one .

 

[Chestnut]

From Life Cycle Cost stand point it would be wise to get a brand new VIper to be ready for future upgrade and let the "pre-loved" 52id block do the ronda duty

USAF releases M7.2+ upgrade to more than 600 F-16s

The US Air Force (USAF) has released the latest software and hardware upgrade planned for more than 600 of its Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft, the service disclosed on 28 April. An OFP M7.2+ standard F-16 undergoing pre-release flight trials. The USAF plans to roll out the

www.janes.com

There is an active USAF program getting lots of international attention that essentially upgrades the planes through Block 60/62 (short of the Singaporean and SK Block 72's). If anything they would offer that as a cheaper alternative to upgrading all refurbished F-16's to Block 72 standard.

From searching online, the M7.2 Tape upgrades apparently consists of:

• Integration of the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-83 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar
• Introduction of the latest AIM-120D missile
• Introduction of AGM-158B Joint Air-To-Surface Standoff Missile Extended Range (JASSM-ER)
• 39 more operational upgrades (more info needed)

Which leads me to believe that if it is lesser than the full Block 70/72 upgrade, the only things that are missing are confidential components that were derived from the F-35 that are present on the 'V' models. Since I would imagine they would be the most expensive ones taking economy of scale and new technologies into account.