Indonesia Defence Forum

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SUKHOI TS-3007 among the stars in 2019

 

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SU-30 MK TS-3002

SU-30 attack

 

[Indos]

Look the comments from Australians all over the place LOL. This FB page turns to having so many comments when the news is about Indonesia while other post shows empty comment

https://www.facebook.com/DefenseNews/posts/10158557928057031

I need to tell that we only have 1.1 billion USD for 2020-2024 period for MRCA acquisition. I dont think both our Planning Minister and Finance Minister will agree on that, I believe they prefer buying F 16 V instead for 12 planes with that budget which is quite possible to happen since F 16 V is cheaper than both Rafale and F 15 EX. Adding more fighter type will complicate our Air Force and force us to buy new infrastructure for Rafale.

It seems Prabowo is very keen to buy Rafale, Rafale acquisition can be easier to pass Finance Minister if Dassault is agree to sell 12 planes for that 1.1 billion USD, because that 1.1 billion USD foreign loan approval is intended to buy fighters to fill our former F 5 squadron.

 

[Whizzack]

Look the comments from Australians all over the place LOL. This FB page turns to having so many comments when the news is about Indonesia while other post shows empty comment

https://www.facebook.com/DefenseNews/posts/10158557928057031

I need to tell that we only have 1.1 billion USD for 2020-2024 period for MRCA acquisition. I dont think both our Planning Minister and Finance Minister will agree on that, I believe they prefer buying F 16 V instead for 12 planes with that budget which is quite possible to happen since F 16 V is cheaper than both Rafale and F 15 EX. Adding more fighter type will complicate our Air Force and force us to buy new infrastructure for Rafale.

It seems Prabowo is very keen to buy Rafale, Rafale acquisition can be easier to pass Finance Minister if Dassault is agree to sell 12 planes for that 1.1 billion USD, because that 1.1 billion USD foreign loan approval is intended to buy fighters to fill our former F 5 squadron.

In that case we should've taken the Croatian route... Buy 12 used Rafale F3s for USD 1,1B with the MRCA budget we already have... and then later on buy the 36 brand new Rafale F4s in a different package and with different budget..

That being said I don't believe that the Planning and Finance minister have any say on the type / brand of the military assets to be purchased, such details are solely the authority of the Defence ministry... they surely have a say on the budgeting, loan, implementation and other financially related matters... but involving themselves in technical details such as type, brand, or even maintenance of assets is a big no-no.. it's not within their authority and such attitude will only blur the lines of responsibility and scope of work between ministries and complicate matters a lot...

So as long as the Defence ministry works with and within the allocated budget, the finance ministry will agree to it... so If Prabowo plans on using the already available budget to buy Rafales, there's no way Bu SM will counter him by saying "No, just buy F-16s coz it's cheaper".. that will be a sign of arrogance and will undermine the Defence ministry...

 

[Indos]

In that case we should've taken the Croatian route... Buy 12 used Rafale F3s for USD 1,1B with the MRCA budget we already have... and then later on buy the 36 brand new Rafale F4s in a different package and with different budget..

That being said I don't believe that the Planning and Finance minister have any say on the type / brand of the military assets to be purchased, such details are solely the authority of the Defence ministry... they surely have a say on the budgeting, loan, implementation and other financially related matters... but involving themselves in technical details such as type, brand, or even maintenance of assets is a big no-no.. it's not within their authority and such attitude will only blur the lines of responsibility and scope of work between ministries and complicate matters a lot...

So as long as the Defence ministry works with and within the allocated budget, the finance ministry will agree to it... so If Prabowo plans on using the already available budget to buy Rafales, there's no way Bu SM will counter him by saying "No, just buy F-16s coz it's cheaper".. that will be a sign of arrogance and will undermine the Defence ministry...

The reason we pick SU 35 several years ago is due to economical point of view (half will be paid with contra trade (barter of Indonesian commodities ). There are F16 V and SU 35 that is proposed by Air Force during that time (in which 2 type of planes instead of just one should be proposed ).

F 16 V has already been in consideration several years ago as this (1.1 billion USD ) is basically the same budget of previous SU35 order and intended to fill former F 5 squadron located in Madiun, Iswahyudi where we already have F 16 squadron there.

 

[Whizzack]

The reason we pick SU 35 several years ago is due to economical point of view (half will be paid with contra trade (barter of Indonesian commodities ). There are F16 V and SU 35 that is proposed by Air Force during that time (in which 2 type of planes instead of just one should be proposed ).

F 16 V has already been in consideration several years ago as this (1.1 billion USD ) is basically the same budget of previous SU35 order and intended to fill former F 5 squadron located in Madiun, Iswahyudi where we already have F 16 squadron there.

Actually I have always thought that the acquisition plans for Su-35 and F-16V is a case of "and" not "or".. that is, we were planning on getting both fighters to add to our existing sqds of Sukhois and F-16s... both out of technical-operational considerations (mix of heavy and medium/light fighters) and geopolitical considerations (diversification / balancing between west and east).. however that plan was thrown into disarray after the implementation of CAATSA... I believe AU is still requesting for heavy fighters, but with CAATSA around the only heavy fighter available is the F-15.. however getting the F-15 for heavy fighter and then getting the F-16V for medium/light fighter will make AU waay to dependent on the US... which is considered a risk.. So the only reasonable option is to drop the F-16V and start looking for non-US alternatives for the medium/light fighter category.. After deliberations, Rafale then becomes the preferred option by the Defence ministry... So now the new plan for new fighter acquisition is F-15EX for heavy fighter (replacing Su-35) and Rafale for med/light fighter (replacing F-16V)... this way AU still get their mix of heavy/med fighters, and at the same time preserving some diversification..

But regardless of the above, any study, deliberations and decisions regarding the type / model / brand to be acquired will be determined solely by the Defence ministry, other interested parties may provide inputs during the study of course... but the final decision will be made by the Defence ministry... Finance ministry (or other ministries) would not (and should not) have the authority or capacity to alter that decision.. what the planning and finance ministry now can do is to monitor the implementation of the deal to ensure that it complies with all the laws and regulations regarding ToT, offset, financing etc...

I mean imagine if each ministry start messing around with other ministries job and work scope, it will be chaos... For example, can you imagine Prabowo dictating to Bu SM what countries or Banks the Finance ministry can have agreements with..? Or Finance ministry telling to Health ministry "Hey! you can't buy ABC drugs / vaccines ... just buy XYZ drugs / vaccines it's cheaper..!" Likewise, Bu SM also cannot dictate Prabowo what Fighters he's planning on getting... so there's no way she could tell Prabowo to ditch the Rafales or F-15s and just get the F-16Vs...

 

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SHIPNAMING KRI GOLOK 688

 

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Heboh! Nelayan Menemukan Tank Amphibi Terapung di Laut, Ternyata Alat Sedot Pasir
Oleh redaksi
Desember 27, 2021

Benda menyerupai tank amphibi ditemukan nelayan saat terapung di perairan sekitar Pulau Cempedak, Kecamatan Bintan Pesisir, Kabupaten Bintan, Provinsi Kepri, Senin (27/12/2021) pagi. F- Istimewa/kiriman nelayan


guys Its more like Leopard 2 mbt replica, than "alat sedot pasir"....lol

 

[Indos]

Heboh! Nelayan Menemukan Tank Amphibi Terapung di Laut, Ternyata Alat Sedot Pasir
Oleh redaksi
Desember 27, 2021

Benda menyerupai tank amphibi ditemukan nelayan saat terapung di perairan sekitar Pulau Cempedak, Kecamatan Bintan Pesisir, Kabupaten Bintan, Provinsi Kepri, Senin (27/12/2021) pagi. F- Istimewa/kiriman nelayan


guys Its more like Leopard 2 mbt replica, than "alat sedot pasir"....lol

Ssst, dont blow up the news here..........

To popularize our thread........

 

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Indonesia Abandons Russian aircraft switching to French or U.S. Aircraft
23 December 2021

The Indonesian Air Force seeks to modernize its military equipment amid increasing tensions with China over the South China Sea to replace its ageing F-5s. It has reportedly abandoned Sukhoi Su-35 ‘Flanker-E’ fighter aircraft plans to purchase multi-role combat aircraft due to an extended acquisition process, switching its direction to Dassault Rafale and Boeing F-15EX Eagle II. The country chose the Russian twin-engine, single-seat fighter in 2015 but never signed a contract for 11 aircraft after talks with Russia in 2018.


Indonesian Air Force Air Chief Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo confirmed the decision speaking to local media during a gathering at Halim Perdanakusuma Air Base near the Indonesian capital Jakarta. According to BenarNews, he stated, “With a heavy heart, yes, we have abandoned the Sukhoi Su-35 plan.” We can’t just keep discussing it.” According to Air Chief Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo, the Southeast Asian country looks for a 4.5-generation medium or heavyweight fighter.
Prasetyo went on to say that the Defence Ministry (MoD) plans to acquire up to three squadrons, each with 12 to 24 jets. If Indonesia chooses the F-15EX, deliveries of the multirole fighter could begin as early as 2027, according to Prasetyo.

While Indonesia has not explicitly stated this, it is possible that its hesitation in finalizing the Su-35 acquisition was motivated by fears that the move would result in U.S. sanctions under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). The law, passed by Congress in 2017, is intended to discourage governments or entities from acquiring weapons, military hardware, or parts from American adversaries such as Iran, North Korea, and Russia.
Indonesia had previously expressed interest in purchasing Austria’s second-hand Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets fleet. Due to high costs and a corruption scandal, the European country was forced to leave the service early.

Following the failure of a multibillion-dollar submarine deal with Australia, France offers Rafale fighters to the Indonesian military to strengthen their strategic partnership.

The offer to provide 36 Rafale aircraft was reportedly discussed during French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian’s two-day visit to Jakarta. However, no final agreement was announced following the meeting.

 

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Indonesia to Receive New Hercules in 2022

27 December 2021

Indonesia to Receive New Hercules in 2022

The first C-130J will arrive in Indonesia towards the end of 2022, according to Chief of Staff of the Indonesian Air Force Air Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo. Indonesia's procurement of the C-130J was revealed in September when Prasetyo visited the production line and took a photo with a part of the first aircraft being manufactured for the country.


The latest C-130J Hercules transport aircraft, according to Air Force Chief of Staff (KSAU) Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo, will arrive in Indonesia towards the end of 2022. "For transport aircraft, we will shortly add C-130J aircraft, which are slated to arrive at the end of next year," said Fadjar on Wednesday at Halim Perdanakusuma in Jakarta. According to Fadjar, the Hercules transport aircraft became the mainstay of the Indonesian Air Force, particularly for humanitarian missions after calamities in the country.

"In the case of a tragedy, the Hercules plane is the backbone of the Indonesian Air Force," said Fadjar. In addition to transporting aircraft, Indonesia is expected to buy Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France and F-15EX fighter jets from the United States shortly.

 

[Indos]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476782808848748546

 

[IblinI]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1470006731434389506

who are they going against?

 

[Indos]

who are they going against?

That practice is I believe is intended to do river patrol and ambush in Papua, in the mid of jungle there

Real clash in Papua

 

[Indos]

Instead of spending to much time on lobbying to our Armed Force to get support and also to Planning Minister and Finance Minister to have more budget on MRCA acquisition program (2020-2024 period) so that Minister of Defense can buy Rafale and F 15 EX, better be realistic like what Armed Force General, Andika Pratama, said and spend it effectively and efficiently based on current budget.

Here the already approved budget are still many but not yet translate into effective contract

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476640985308348421