Indonesia Defence Forum

[Indos]

@SgtGungHo @dr.knowhow bros, can you give us a link of Korean mainstream TV news that has live Youtube. I mean the YT channel link. I hope I can see live coverage of KFX/IFX first prototype roll out. In case Indonesian news media doesnt cover that live event

 

[Indos]

AMMRAM and Sidewinder get attached

 

[Indos]

I would say quite satisfied with Armed Force acquisition planning 2020-2024.

These are domestic loan for acquisition. Domestic loan is intended to finance Military acquisition which comes from domestic defense industry. The orange one is for 2020-2024 and the blue one is previous budget for 2014-2019. Look like huge increase.

TNI AU= Air Force
TNI AL= Navy
TNI AD= Army
Mabes TNI= Armed Force HQ
Kemenhan=Defense Ministry

Army get the highest domestic loan increase

Break down for Air Force (domestic loan= local made defense equipment)

Intelligence device (including protection system)
Tactical Vehicles
Bomb, rockets, ammunition
Communication system and radar
Transport aircraft maintenance/repair/overhaul
Helicopter
Transport aircraft

Foreign Loan ( Foreign equipment) for Air Force

Fighter get 1.6 billion USD so the options here are F16 Block 70, Rafale, and F15 EX

I hope we get the ones that can be maintained by ourselves, including cooperation with PTDI for the the maintenance to increase our local industry participation.

I hope we can get around 12-16 aircraft for that amount of money.

 

[Indos]

Foreign Loan

Alman Helvast said foreign loan for fighters around 1.6 billion USD (2020-2024) is also for repair/refurbish so some portion could be possibly made for Hawks refurbish/overhaul that would likely be done in the country like previous overhaul but some components need to be sourced from foreign country. So I expect real new fighter acquisition will possibly be funded by just 1.2-1.4 billion USD foreign loan, not far from previous SU 35 deal that has been approved but yet becomes an effective contract due to CATSA.

Domestic loan (local defense industry)

Repair/maintenance for transport aircraft are likely for CN 235 squadrons where many of them are grounded due to lack of maintenance budget. This is likely the case since it is funded by domestic loan.

Transport acquisition is likely for C 295 as for Indonesian orders will be made in Indonesian Aerospace as the company also produce components for the plane. C 295 ordered by Indonesian will also be assembled in Indonesian Aerospace based on previous agreement with Airbus Defense.

While CN 235 is likely be used for MPA/ASW in any future acquisition which is also needed by Navy. I expect no further CN 235 order from Air Force until 2024. It is also likely the case since there are still three CN 235 planes underconstruction in PTDI for Air Force where they are likely MPA version. For information, both Indonesian Air Force and Navy operate CN 235 MPA.

 

[foodsoldier]

With all procurement list from the RAPIM TNI, at least we need USD 115 billion of foreign loan (PLN).

Personally I believe the current MoD will be able to get the required loan. He has built in-depth relationship with decision maker from Japan, France, Korea, Turkey, Qatar, UAE and Germany. Most of the loan will be coming from that countries.

 

[Indos]

Intermezo

Sepak banget nih orang LOL

A man shows a gun after hitting a motor cycle driven by a woman in Jakarta. The woman files the case to Police and he get busted by Police after that while hanging out in a mall. After some investigation, it turns out he is a civilian and businessman.

In general, civilian in Indonesia cannot have gun license, but with some thigh procedure they can have it, particularly if they belongs to gun sport organization (PERBAKIN). This is why I am against this regulation and I hope total ban on civilian having a gun license. Although some high risk job like prosecutors, judges, tax collectors, State finance Investigators (BPK) etc should still be allowed to have a gun.

Utk yg orang Indo, kemaren aksi teroris pake pistol di markas Polisi harus menjadi wake up call dalam hal ini.

 

[Indos]

Female officers of Indonesian Presidential security guard (Paspampres)

These ladies task are usually guarding Indonesian first Lady (President wife) or any female VIP members like the wifes or female family members of foreign leaders who are visiting Indonesia in official visit. They are usually taken from Special Force units or marine soldiers

 

[Indos]

KF-X/IFX Fighter Price Sets at 65 Million USD



KAI sets sights on Asia No. 1 in ‘new space’ era

By Kim Byung-wook

Korea‘s sole aircraft manufacturer aims to carve out a niche in satellite biz; KF-X fighter price set at $65m

Published : Apr 4, 2021 - 16:30

KAI will hold a launching event of the 4.5-generation stealth fighter jet in the second week of this month, according to the CEO.

Starting 2028, KAI will begin the export of the KF-X aircraft based on its competitiveness in price.

“It takes about 100 billion won to 200 billion won to acquire one F-35 fighter jet. Lockheed Martin aims to bring down the price to $80 million per unit, but the maintenance costs are so high that even the US is considering to develop new 4.5 generation fighters or upgrade existing fighters,” said Ryu Kwang-su, head of aircraft program division.

“KAI aims to set the price of KF-X fighter at $65 million with minimized maintenance costs. Our analysis says that such price range will offer KF-X a competitive edge in the global export market.”

By Kim Byung-wook (kbw@heraldcorp.com)

KAI sets sights on Asia No. 1 in ‘new space’ era

From flying cars to private satellites, the paradigm of global aerospace industry is shifting faster than ever. After SpaceX ushered in the dawn of the “new space” age, private players are now making an aggressive foray into the space industry, which had been dominated by governmental...

www01.koreaherald.com

 

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Prajurit Kompi Komposit Marinir Natuna Ikuti Gladi Bersih Upacara Peresmian KRI Alugoro 405

5 April 2021 Pelopor Wiratama

Prajurit Kompi Komposit Marinir Natuna turut serta dalam pelaksanaan gladi bersih Upacara Peresmian KRI Alugoro 405 yang dilaksanakan di Dermaga Faslabuh TNI AL Selat Lampa, Natuna, Senin (05/04/2021)
Megiatan Upacara peresmian Kapal Selam dan pengukuhan komandan KRI Alugoro 405 dan peletakan batu pertama pembangunan Kantor Gugus Tempur Laut Komando Armada I (Guspurla Koarmada I) ini rencananya akan dilaksanakan Selasa besok ini melibatkan prajurit Kompi Komposit Marinir Natuna.

Dalam kesempatan itu juga, Komandan Satuan Tugas Kompi Komposit Marinir Natuna Mayor Marinir Surya Afandi Novyanto menyampaikan sangat berterima kasih kepada para panitia Upacara karena telah diikutsertakan dalam Upacara Peresmian Kapal Selam KRI Alugoro 405 yang merupakan bukti bahwa kepercayaan Komando atas dengan prajurit Korps Marinir.

Selain itu Tim Taifib Kompi Komposit Marinir Natuna juga melaksanakan Reparasi Bawah Air KRI Alugoro 405 dengan menggunakan alat selam guna mengecek kembali keadaan dari Kapal Selam Terbaru TNI AL tersebut.

 

[Indos]

So basically it is possible to have 16 F15 EX with 1.6 billion USD foreign loan by seeing US offer to South Korea and it is of course US Air Force version, not some downgraded F 15 EX

[취재파일] 역대급 국산 전투기 KF-X, 앞길 막아선 美 F-15EX…빈약한 '무장' 강화 시급

▲ KF-X가 한반도 상공을 비행하는 상상도 8조 8천억 원 들여 개발하는 역대급 국산무기인 한국형 전투기 KF-X가 이달 초 공식 첫선을 보입니다. 롤아웃(roll out)이라는 행사입니다. 갓 조립을 마친 완전한

n.news.naver.com

 

[denel]

Paramount Group and Indonesia’s PT Pindad Collaborate on Armoured Vehicle Systems

paramountgroup.com

 

[Indos]

AlhamduliLLAH, a good sign

Indonesian defense minister to visit S. Korea to attend fighter jet event​

All News 23:34 April 06, 2021



JAKARTA/SEOUL, April 6 (Yonhap) -- Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto departed Jakarta on Tuesday to visit South Korea for an upcoming rollout ceremony showcasing a prototype of the country's first indigenous fighter jet.

Accompanied by some 20 officials, Prabowo is set to arrive in South Korea on Wednesday aboard a private plane to attend the KF-X fighter jet rollout event, expected to be held sometime this week, according to diplomatic and defense industry sources.

Whether Indonesia, a partner in the KF-X project, will send senior officials to the ceremony has been a focus of attention, as it could be a sign that Jakarta remains committed to the project amid speculation that it is seeking to quit the business.

During his three-day stay, the Indonesian minister is expected to meet with senior officials in South Korea, including Defense Minister Suh Wook.

Seoul's defense ministry earlier said the two countries are having talks to arrange a defense ministerial meeting on the occasion of the rollout ceremony.

Indonesia had promised to shoulder 20 percent of the new fighter's 8.8 trillion-won (US$7.9 billion) development cost, but it has stopped making payments after investing 227.2 billion won, with around 600 billion won overdue.

Eyes are on whether the defense cooperation between the two sides will get back on track with Prabowo's visit. Besides the fighter jet project, Indonesia signed a deal with South Korea in 2019 to purchase three submarines, but the business has also made little progress since then.

Indonesian defense minister to visit S. Korea to attend fighter jet event | Yonhap News Agency

JAKARTA/SEOUL, April 6 (Yonhap) -- Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto departed J...

en.yna.co.kr

 

[Indos]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1379442073460383750

 

[Whizzack]

So basically it is possible to have 16 F15 EX with 1.6 billion USD foreign loan by seeing US offer to South Korea and it is of course US Air Force version, not some downgraded F 15 EX

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[취재파일] 역대급 국산 전투기 KF-X, 앞길 막아선 美 F-15EX…빈약한 '무장' 강화 시급

▲ KF-X가 한반도 상공을 비행하는 상상도 8조 8천억 원 들여 개발하는 역대급 국산무기인 한국형 전투기 KF-X가 이달 초 공식 첫선을 보입니다. 롤아웃(roll out)이라는 행사입니다. 갓 조립을 마친 완전한

n.news.naver.com

Hmm... I still doubt it... SK can it get for that price since it's bundled with upgrade work and they already have all the required support infrastructure for F-15s in place... For us we will need to bundle it with various support packages, training, facilities, etc which will drive the cost up... in my opinion best case scenario we can get for $1,6B is 10 units, but 8 units is much more likely..

AlhamduliLLAH, a good sign

Indonesian defense minister to visit S. Korea to attend fighter jet event

All News 23:34 April 06, 2021

Indonesian defense minister to visit S. Korea to attend fighter jet event | Yonhap News Agency

JAKARTA/SEOUL, April 6 (Yonhap) -- Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto departed J...

en.yna.co.kr

Truly this is a good sign...! hopefully we can clear this matter once and for all!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1379442073460383750

Are they allowed to do that...? Guess they finally got fed up with us shadowing them with our puny little ships..

 

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CN 235 siap dimodifikasi untuk militer Malaysia (1)
by KKIP | Dec 10, 2020 | Artikel | 0 comments

Bagian 1

Dunia dirgantara Indonesia harus bangga. Mahakarya dari almarhum presiden ke tiga kita, Habibie kini digunakan oleh negara lain. Salah satu negara yang memakai CN 235 adalah Malaysia.

Setelah Februari 2020 diberitakan banyak media Malaysia tentang rencana Malaysia untuk mengkonversi enam armada CN 235 220 menjadi pesawat intai maritim. Pada bulan September 2020, unit perdana CN-235 220 AU Malaysia telah tiba di Bandara Husein Sastranegara, Bandung, guna memulai proses konversi yang telah tertunda akibat pandemi Covid-19.

Pesawat CN 235 dengan nomer M44-05 telah tiba mendarat di Bandung pada 2 September lalu. Proses konversi nantinya akan dilakukan di hanggar PT Dirgantara Indonesia, dimana PT DI dalam proses konversi bertindak sebagai Original Equipment Manufactur (OEM). Awalnya jadwal konversi akan dimulai pada bulan April/Mei 2020, tapi terpaksa ditunda akibat pembatasan perjalanan ke Indonesia.

Walaupun konversi CN-235 220 Malaysia dikerjakan dengan fasilitas PT DI, namun pelaksana konversi akan melibatkan dua perusahaan asing, yaitu Science and Engineering Services International dan Integrated Surveillance and Defence Inc. Keterlibatan perusahaan asing ini sebenaranya wajar karena kedua perusahaan tersebut sebenarnya yang bertanggung jawab untuk instalasi dan integrasi beragam perangkat elektronik untuk misi MPA.

Untuk teknologi yang akan dipasangkan menggunakan Merlin maritime surveillance system yang dikembangkan oleh Integrated Surveillance and Defense, perusahaan berbasis di Oregon. Merlin mission equipment terdiri dari maritime surveillance radar, electro-optical sensor turret dan electronic support measures system.


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CN 235 siap dimodifikasi untuk militer Malaysia (2)
by KKIP | Dec 28, 2020 | Artikel | 0 comments

Bagian 2

Untuk teknologi yang akan dipasangkan menggunakan Merlin maritime surveillance system yang dikembangkan oleh Integrated Surveillance and Defense, perusahaan berbasis di Oregon. Merlin mission equipment terdiri dari maritime surveillance radar, electro-optical sensor turret dan electronic support measures system.

Pada waktu sebelumnya PT DI pernah menawarkan program upgrade CN-235 MPA untuk Malaysia dengan nilai US$30 juta. Awalnya PT DI menawarkan paket instalasi Airborne Maritime Situation and Control System (AMASCOS) dari Thales dan beragam sensor untuk misi MPA.

Support USA
Adopsi perangkat maritime surveillance system besutan AS pada CN-235 Malaysia bisa kita maklumi. Hal ini karena dana proyek konversi ini adalah Washington lewat program Maritime Security Initiative (MSI). Dengan konversi dua unit CN-235 menjadi varian MPA, maka Malaysia telah mendapatkan dua item dalam program MSI.
Pada bulan Mei 2020, AL Malaysia telah mendapatkan hibah 6 unit drone intai ScanEagle, total Malaysia akan menerima 12 unit ScanEagle. Paket hibah drone ini juga diterima Indonesia dan Filpina. Ini semua adalah bagian dari program MSI.

Spesifikasi Umum CN 235
Untuk karakterisitik umumnya sebagai berikut:

1. Kru: dua pilot.
2. Kapasitas: sampai 45 penumpang.
3. Panjang: 21.40 m (70 ft 3 in)
4. Bentang sayap: 25.81 m (84 ft 8 in)
5. Tinggi: 8.18 m (26 ft 10 in)
6. Area sayap: 59.1 m² (636 ft²)
7. Berat Kosong: 9,800 kg (21,605 lb)
8. Berat Isi: 15,500 kg (16,500 kg Military load) ( lb)
9. Maksimum takeoff: 15,100 kg (33,290 lb)
10. Tenaga Penggerak: 2× General Electric CT79C turboprops, 1,395 kW (1,850 bhp) each
11. Sedangkan untuk kemampuannya sebagai berikut:
12. Kecepatan Maksimum: 509 km/j (317 mpj)
13. Jarak: 796 km (496 mil)
14. Ketinggian Maks: m ( ft)
15. Daya Menanjak: 542 m/min (1,780 ft/min)
16. Beban Sayap Maks: kg/m² ( lb/ft²)
17. Power/berat: kW/kg ( hp/lb)

Negara-negara yang memakai CN 235
PT. DI hingga saat ini telah mengekspor puluhan unit pesawat terbang CN235 kepada pemesannya di luar negeri, yaitu Venezuela, Senegal, Burkina Faso, Uni Emirat Arab, Pakistan, Turki, Malaysia, Korea Selatan, Thailand, Nepal dan Brunei Darussalam. Untuk pelanggan dalam negeri adalah TNI AU, TNI AL dan Merpati Nusantara Airlines.
Untuk kebutuhannya, tidak semua diperuntukan untuk militer. Beberapa pesawat dibeli untuk kepentingan penerbangan komersial di wilayah-wilayah kepulauan, ada juga yang diperuntukan untuk pesawat perorangan orang (VVIP). Semua pesawat ini dimodifikasi sesuai dengan permintaan dari klien.


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these news were from KKIP,
according to id wikipedia the airforce/tni-au still have 16 CN-235 110/220M and 3 CN-235 MPA.
why not they converted some of CN-235 utility transport to MPA too.
since the airforce already have a dozen C-295.